Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[New World Explorer]

Looks like Zelensky will be willing to swap, cede some land, so maybe there will be a deal? Who knows? But it's interesting to be eyewitnesses of events that getting us closer to GT. Lets see what happens...

A little bit more on this here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-09/russia-ukraine-us-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-deadline/105631862

[New World Explorer]

There you go... "table tennis begins" 

Zelensky defiance: Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says his country “will not give land to the occupier” after US President Donald Trump said there could be some “swapping of territories” to end the war in Ukraine.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-putin-ukraine-08-09

[JennyM]

On 7/27/2025 at 3:58 AM, feather said:

 

  I love that our earthly home will Always be unique for this reason.

 here are a few other unique facts about our home from our 1986 book last chap par 10...

   "Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace"

i love to read that the earth may not be the only habitable earth.. I thought about that  that even before. Why would the milky way galaxy has billions of planets if its not going to be inhabited? 

 

[Dustparticle]

32 minutes ago, JennyM said:

i love to read that the earth may not be the only habitable earth.. I thought about that  that even before. Why would the milky way galaxy has billions of planets if its not going to be inhabited? 

 

 

True sis, yet in this solar system, many of our planets protect the Earth from harm and not in a inhabited zone. We have a lot to learn in the NW about other planets and can we inhabited them.

[Tortuga]

4 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

There you go... "table tennis begins" 

Zelensky defiance: Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says his country “will not give land to the occupier” after US President Donald Trump said there could be some “swapping of territories” to end the war in Ukraine.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-putin-ukraine-08-09

I hope Trump doesn't give California to Putin.  

[Dolce vita]

1 minute ago, Tortuga said:

I hope Trump doesn't give California to Putin.  

Goodbye, dear Brother Richard.  It was so nice to meet you! ☺️

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

There you go... "table tennis begins" 

Zelensky defiance: Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says his country “will not give land to the occupier” after US President Donald Trump said there could be some “swapping of territories” to end the war in Ukraine.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-putin-ukraine-08-09

 

22 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I hope Trump doesn't give California to Putin.  

 

 

If I was a leader of a nation like Ukraine I would not be in favor of giving any of my territory up to another country, either. 

 

What I'm surprised hasn't happened (and maybe this is how a Trump deal will work) is that Russia pays Ukraine for the right to use Crimea or access to the Mediterranean. Make it a business transaction. Why does Russia want the territory they seized? Would they be willing to pay for the right to use it? 

[vern]

Russia food supply is probly a lot healthier to eat.  wouldn't mind that part.

 

Earth given to the sons of men.... earth or ground of another planet under that saying?

[LeolaRootStew]

4 hours ago, JennyM said:

i love to read that the earth may not be the only habitable earth.. I thought about that  that even before. Why would the milky way galaxy has billions of planets if its not going to be inhabited? 

 

 

I wonder if the angels felt that way about Earth. Did they feel like it was pointless to create a place that wasn't for the angels, themselves? Perhaps we are being self-centered by thinking everything in the physical universe should be ours. Maybe He created it for another purpose that has nothing to do with us.

[LeolaRootStew]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

If I was a leader of a nation like Ukraine I would not be in favor of giving any of my territory up to another country, either. 

 

What I'm surprised hasn't happened (and maybe this is how a Trump deal will work) is that Russia pays Ukraine for the right to use Crimea or access to the Mediterranean. Make it a business transaction. Why does Russia want the territory they seized? Would they be willing to pay for the right to use it? 

 

My understanding is they want to use the territory as a buffer zone against NATO aggression.

[just1-4all]

3 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

 

If I was a leader of a nation like Ukraine I would not be in favor of giving any of my territory up to another country, either. 

 

What I'm surprised hasn't happened (and maybe this is how a Trump deal will work) is that Russia pays Ukraine for the right to use Crimea or access to the Mediterranean. Make it a business transaction. Why does Russia want the territory they seized? Would they be willing to pay for the right to use it? 

Aside from religiously-based reasons, so many wars are fought over resources and 'land grabs'. How sad from Jehovah's viewpoint. The ones in power enrich themselves, the poor usually the most vulnerable in the devastation caused by the 'collateral damage', and the young die in the battle.

[Shawnster]

41 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

My understanding is they want to use the territory as a buffer zone against NATO aggression.

 

I suspect that is secondary. Or political double talk. 

 

After all, how can they claim it as their territory and also claim it is a buffer between NATO and their territory? By definition it can't be both. 

 

I could understand threatening/convincing Ukraine to stay out of NATO. As long as Ukraine is independent, then it could be a buffer between the two. 

[Shawnster]

3 minutes ago, just1-4all said:

Aside from religiously-based reasons, so many wars are fought over resources and 'land grabs'. 

 

All of them? Almost all of them? Any war in which one nation invades another and sets up control over that newly acquired territory is a war fought over resources or land grab, no? 

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

I suspect that is secondary. Or political double talk. 

 

After all, how can they claim it as their territory and also claim it is a buffer between NATO and their territory? By definition it can't be both. 

 

I could understand threatening/convincing Ukraine to stay out of NATO. As long as Ukraine is independent, then it could be a buffer between the two. 

 

The NATO issue is the entire basis of the war. NATO has been inching closer to Russia for years despite promises they wouldn't. The US has been threatening to let Ukraine into NATO, which is a similar threat to Russia as the Cuban missile crisis was to the US - which also led to conflict.

 

Russia wants to make sure there is literal distance between missile sites and Russia. Occupying Ukraine and keeping it free of enemy missiles would accomplish that goal.

[just1-4all]

@Shawnster I guess my point is more to do with Jesus' instructing his disciples, that there are no longer any 'justified' reasons for war in God's eyes. We are blessed in our day to understand it was never God's will for humankind to war against one another. All the more so the case now for the people called by His Name. 

 

I think most people we meet in our ministry understand that the so-called 'Rules of War' are no longer reliable for a 'fair' fight—even if ever they actually were really reliable (i.e., rules by international agreement that only combatants fight and kill other combatants, rules for treating P.O.W.'s humanely, etc.) And as we all plainly see—in the Truth or not—how thanks to advances in modern weaponry (and the vast documentary evidence of their effects) that wars have caused untold increases in human suffering. Even aside from using WMD's, the so-called 'conventional weapons' of war have increased the amount of infrastructure destroyed, the number of lives lost, the number of civilian refugees—so much so that the scale of suffering is so heart-breaking to even try to grasp.

 

[Osprey]

7 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

 

If I was a leader of a nation like Ukraine I would not be in favor of giving any of my territory up to another country, either. 

 

What I'm surprised hasn't happened (and maybe this is how a Trump deal will work) is that Russia pays Ukraine for the right to use Crimea or access to the Mediterranean. Make it a business transaction. Why does Russia want the territory they seized? Would they be willing to pay for the right to use it? 

 

We were already there. Russia was paying a kind of "rent" to Ukraine for a big naval base hosting Russian Black sea fleet in the years before annexation of Crimea. Clearly they didn't see that as good enough anymore after more pro-russian Ukrainian president was removed. Actually this Russian base in Crimea was used to provide "little green men" that started to occupy government buildings in initial stages of Crimea takeover.

[Tortuga]

On 8/8/2025 at 3:13 PM, Áine said:

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-moscow-putin-trump-zelenskyy-russia-witkoff-missiles-talks-ceasefire-12541713

 

looks like it’s Alaska next Friday

Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a major earthquake in Alaska during their meeting..

[BLEmom]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a major earthquake in Alaska during their meeting..

 

👀👀👀

[Julsey]

9 hours ago, Shawnster said:

What I'm surprised hasn't happened (and maybe this is how a Trump deal will work) is that Russia pays Ukraine for the right to use Crimea or access to the Mediterranean. Make it a business transaction. Why does Russia want the territory they seized? Would they be willing to pay for the right to use it? 

Vlad doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who will pay for what he wants. 

[trottigy]

10 hours ago, Tortuga said:

I hope Trump doesn't give California to Putin.  

 

Knowing how much Trump loves California I can see him adding CA as a deal sweetener. 

 

 

[Dages]

3 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a major earthquake in Alaska during their meeting..

Like during a post-meeting conference where they would announced Peace and Security ?  

[chuck83]

1 hour ago, trottigy said:

 

Knowing how much Trump loves California I can see him adding CA as a deal sweetener. 

 

 

Trump is a business man and California is now the 4th largest economy in the world. 40-50% of imports for the US come in from LA. Almost 900 miles of Pacific dominance gone. But then again he’s bankrupt 5+ business. Time will tell. 🤣🤣

[Tortuga]

58 minutes ago, chuck83 said:

Trump is a business man and California is now the 4th largest economy in the world. 40-50% of imports for the US come in from LA. Almost 900 miles of Pacific dominance gone. But then again he’s bankrupt 5+ business. Time will tell. 🤣🤣

Dems the breaks...

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

Knowing how much Trump loves California I can see him adding CA as a deal sweetener. 

 

 

Finally Napa wine will be cheaper.. hopefully I can pay for in Roubles (0.019 Australian Dollar) 

 

[Dark King]

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