Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[just1-4all]

11 minutes ago, lord21 said:

You live in a peaceful country and you cannot fully understand me. I live with the war for three and a half years and 11 years since it all started.

Jehovah protected my life 11 years ago, three years ago when I had to make a choice about which city to move to. I would not have survived if I had chosen the wrong city. But Jehovah knew which cities and areas would be safe.

I continue to trust in Jehovah, knowing that no matter how many air alarms and dangerous missiles were flying, he would save me.

My words may upset some, but let me give you an example: when a missile hit one of the houses, Jehovah miraculously saved the lives of my brother and his wife in the house next door. The glass windows flew into the room, but they survived. Does this not show that Jehovah can preserve the lives of his servants if he deems it necessary to do so in order to fulfill his will?

I am sure that he does.

Sounds miraculous to hear, and if it builds your faith, well then, who's to say otherwise... right? 

 

We do all know of accounts where things turn out otherwise for Jehovah's servants in the present day when it comes to personal tragedies. Not to go into details but there have been examples on the Broadcast of this. 

 

I for one have experienced "miraculous' events in the same sense you have described, but not due to war. One predates knowing Jehovah. The other I'll keep to myself.

[Shawnster]

30 minutes ago, lord21 said:

Does this not show that Jehovah can preserve the lives of his servants if he deems it necessary to do so in order to fulfill his will?

I am sure that he does.

 

 

You have seen firsthand Jehovah's salvation. Your experiences are moving and I do not see anyone here who disagrees. 

 

I was sharing that Jehovah's arm is not short. If it is his will this is the last preaching campaign then who are we to say otherwise? The nations could give their power to the UN the day after tomorrow and the end of the Ukraine war could be the first sign of peace and security. 

 

The Ukraine war will end. We should never feel the end is far off or that as long as this war continues then the end is not yet. 

 

30 minutes ago, lord21 said:

I live with the war for three and a half years and 11 years since it all started.

 

 

(Luke 21:28) 28 But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=42021028&srcid=share

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by Shawnster

[Timl1980]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

You have seen firsthand Jehovah's salvation. Your experiences are moving and I do not see anyone here who disagrees. 

 

Nor will he, I think...and I agree, they are deeply moving and encouraging!

 

16 minutes ago, just1-4all said:

We do all know of accounts where things turn out otherwise for Jehovah's servants in the present day when it comes to personal tragedies. Not to go into details but there have been examples on the Broadcast of this. 

 

I fully agree with this statement...and I feel that while the focus should most definitely be on the good...the bad must be acknowledged as well.

 

Not everyone finds such safety in this system...brothers and sisters are still tortured and beaten...and over here some of the friends still wind up without a job and even homeless. (Even if it is just temporary) 

 

Jehovah said it would be like this, and while it's important to dwell on and be up built by the times where things have gone right...it's equally important to acknowledge and more importantly, commiserate and offer real assistance to our brothers and sisters when things go terribly terribly wrong.

[Michał]

Why I don’t think ww3 will happen?

 

The scarlet beast was created after the ww1 as League of the Nations and then temporarily ceased to exist during ww2. The GB understood in the middle of it that the scarlet beast must be revived after the war and in fact it was as the UN. The Bible doesn’t mention any other „breaks” in its existence but that it will destroy BTG. 
 

Now, I can’t think of a scenario where global war (that could be labeled as ww3) is raging AND the UN still operates. In case of ww3 the UN would be irrelevant even more that it is now do it would have been disbanded but the Bible doesn’t say it will happen. 

[BLEmom]

2 hours ago, Michał said:

Why I don’t think ww3 will happen?

 

The scarlet beast was created after the ww1 as League of the Nations and then temporarily ceased to exist during ww2. The GB understood in the middle of it that the scarlet beast must be revived after the war and in fact it was as the UN. The Bible doesn’t mention any other „breaks” in its existence but that it will destroy BTG. 
 

Now, I can’t think of a scenario where global war (that could be labeled as ww3) is raging AND the UN still operates. In case of ww3 the UN would be irrelevant even more that it is now do it would have been disbanded but the Bible doesn’t say it will happen. 

I was thinking something similar to this when the discussion about WW3 started but you did a nice job of putting my thoughts into words. 

[just1-4all]

2 hours ago, Michał said:

Why I don’t think ww3 will happen?

 

The scarlet beast was created after the ww1 as League of the Nations and then temporarily ceased to exist during ww2. The GB understood in the middle of it that the scarlet beast must be revived after the war and in fact it was as the UN. The Bible doesn’t mention any other „breaks” in its existence but that it will destroy BTG. 
 

Now, I can’t think of a scenario where global war (that could be labeled as ww3) is raging AND the UN still operates. In case of ww3 the UN would be irrelevant even more that it is now do it would have been disbanded but the Bible doesn’t say it will happen. 

Great point and so very well said 🙂

[jrnievas]

6 hours ago, Michał said:

Why I don’t think ww3 will happen?

 

The scarlet beast was created after the ww1 as League of the Nations and then temporarily ceased to exist during ww2. The GB understood in the middle of it that the scarlet beast must be revived after the war and in fact it was as the UN. The Bible doesn’t mention any other „breaks” in its existence but that it will destroy BTG. 
 

Now, I can’t think of a scenario where global war (that could be labeled as ww3) is raging AND the UN still operates. In case of ww3 the UN would be irrelevant even more that it is now do it would have been disbanded but the Bible doesn’t say it will happen. 

I think the opposite of it, by the way 😅

 

If World War III starts, it might be the time when nations realize that they should empower the UN to strictly implement peace and security to prevent further destruction.

 

Because World War III would draw international attention and capture the eyes of every human being, if peace and security were suddenly proclaimed and declared because of that war, it might create a feeling of safety and relief for people all over the world.

 

But they would not know that the events to follow would be uncontrollable.

 

(That's just my theory) 😅😆

[Michał]

4 hours ago, jrnievas said:

I think the opposite of it, by the way 😅

 

If World War III starts, it might be the time when nations realize that they should empower the UN to strictly implement peace and security to prevent further destruction.

 

Because World War III would draw international attention and capture the eyes of every human being, if peace and security were suddenly proclaimed and declared because of that war, it might create a feeling of safety and relief for people all over the world.

 

But they would not know that the events to follow would be uncontrollable.

 

(That's just my theory) 😅😆

Interesting scenario but in this case it would have to happen during the first week or month of a global conflict not after a year or longer. 

[franceml]

This is not an affirmation it’s just a reflexión based in: 

Matthew 16:25

“For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

Isaiah 41:10

“Do not be afraid, for I am with you; do not be discouraged, for I am your God. I will fortify you, yes, I will help you, I will hold on to you with my right hand of righteousness.”

 

Matthew 24:21

“For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor ever will be.”

Matthew 24:12

“And because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will cool off.”

1 Timothy 4:1

“But the inspired expression says clearly that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons.”

Matthew 24:42

“Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.”

Matthew 24:15

“Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment).”

The universe is full of patterns. And the Bible too.

The same patterns from the past are repeating today: human institutions promising peace, political leaders seeking absolute power, global economic crises, an apparent “peace and security” before a collapse, and the faithful proclamation of God’s Kingdom as the only hope.

This confirms that we are living within the same prophetic framework described by Jesus and the prophets, and that God’s Kingdom remains the only definitive solution.

What we did in the past before WWII?

The worldwide campaign based on Isaiah 2:2-4 was carried out starting in 1931–1932 and was intensified in the years leading up to and during World War II. Our central message was: only God’s Kingdom will bring true peace, not human organizations such as the League of Nations or the United Nations.

We, Jehovah’s Witnesses, were prepared for World War II.

 

the spiritual and organizational preparation of Jehovah’s Witnesses was crucial:

 

• Understanding biblical prophecy and God’s role in history.
• Maintaining unity and brotherly love through meetings, publications, and mutual support.
• Living neutrality and loyalty to God as a firm principle.

We don’t know yet but If the WWIII comes don’t be afraid, we will be prepared as well.

[Korotkiy]

Revelation 13:13 " And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind". is related in our publication with the only combat use of US nuclear weapons in 1945.

According to this - no more combat use will be in the all manking history instead of USA. 

So nuclear war is excepted.

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, Michał said:

Interesting scenario but in this case it would have to happen during the first week or month of a global conflict not after a year or longer. 

 

And would require the Security Council members to ignore their own governments orders. 

 

If the US and Russia are at war, the US and Russian Security Council members are not going to be meeting together to discuss peace unless one or both are ignoring their governments orders. 

[New World Explorer]

Putin and Trump ‘will prevent WWIII’ – Kremlin envoy

Peace in Ukraine is close because the two leaders are engaged in dialogue, Kirill Dmitriev has said (RT) 

 

It was published by RT so take it with caution. ⛔️