Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Ysaias]

5 hours ago, Dages said:

The book on Courage would be great to study during the GT

 

Great timing.

 

But, I wouldn't mind to study it after A-Day. Just saying. 

Edited yesterday at 03:37 PM by Ysaias
Wording.

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, ucastrobr said:

They were certain that this prophecy would be fulfilled in their days

 

I don't know if we can conclude this. Do we have anything that tells us what the first century friends understood regarding this? 

 

1 Thessalonians was written about 20 years before Jerusalem was destroyed. Later, John's gospel and letters were written almost 30 years after that destruction. 

[Michał]

6 hours ago, ucastrobr said:

 

So, imagine the first Christians read in 1 Thessalonians 5:3: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them…”

They were certain that this prophecy would be fulfilled in their days. I believe I will witness the end of the world, probably, they think. 
Like us today. 
If I write now, the GT will be at least 15 years or 20 years ahead; many would criticize me about it.

Maybe not. 
 

When Jesus said that there will be wars as a sign of his presence, his listeners had already known the term, there wars in those times. What they probably understood there will be unprecedented wars. And since 1914 we can observe them. 
 

similarly, since the term „Peace nad security” was known for some time (decades at least), the recipients of this letter probably imagined that there will be unprecedented proclamation of peace and security. 

[Korotkiy]

13 hours ago, lord21 said:

The Russo-Ukrainian war will end when Russian troops completely leave the territory of Ukraine (Donetsk, Luhansk, parts of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, and Crimea). This is the only option for peace to come.

Another question is when this will happen. Some think it will be in 2025 or 2026. Some think it will be in 2028. I personally don't know.

I don`t think so.

Looks like it will be some mid-line between Russian appetite

(freeze South front line and take all the Donetsk and Luhansk region) and Ukrainian wishes above.  

Probably front line will be just freezed at some moment

[Dhanyel]

Israel and Hamas sign Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-agree-gaza-ceasefire-return-hostages-2025-10-09/

[Dustparticle]

More related news. 
 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-draws-international-praise-broker-125126871.html

Edited 21 hours ago by Dustparticle

[BLEmom]

3 hours ago, Michał said:

Maybe not. 
 

When Jesus said that there will be wars as a sign of his presence, his listeners had already known the term, there wars in those times. What they probably understood there will be unprecedented wars. And since 1914 we can observe them. 
 

similarly, since the term „Peace nad security” was known for some time (decades at least), the recipients of this letter probably imagined that there will be unprecedented proclamation of peace and security. 

Everything is “unprecedented “ these days. How long before the word loses its meaning and nothing is unprecedented?

I’ve actually come to loath the word. My face goes all scrunchy every time I hear it. 😵‍💫🥴😒

[New World Explorer]

14 hours ago, Áine said:

Quite! And that would fit along with them saying Peace and Security when if you look at it worldwide there is no peace 

Therefore our campaign in September .. telling people that only Jehovah can end wars permanently. 

From our front page article on jw.org 

In the near future, God will end all war and establish global peace. (Psalm 46:8, 9)

 

 

I have read somewhere here on the forum that brother Lett said at Switzerland's Convention .. "that war in Ukraine does not have to finish for the end to come" (can someone confirm this please?) 

[New World Explorer]

The whole thing is getting traction...

US presence: The United States is sending 200 troops to the Middle East to monitor the plan’s implementation, a senior US official said. “No US troops are intended to go into Gaza,” another official said.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-agreement-10-09-25

[New World Explorer]

14 hours ago, ucastrobr said:

So, imagine the first Christians read in 1 Thessalonians 5:3: “Whenever it is that they are saying, ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction will be instantly upon them…”

They were certain that this prophecy would be fulfilled in their days.

My dear friend, many prophecies are recorded in the Bible, and “Peace and Security” is just one of them.

It’s important to remember that even in the first century, there is no evidence that early Christians fully understood exactly how this particular prophecy would be fulfilled.

And now, two thousand years later, even the Faithful and Discreet Slave acknowledges that we cannot say with certainty how these words will unfold in real life.

Some have offered suggestions—perhaps it will be a single public proclamation, or maybe a series of announcements. But the truth is, we simply do not know. And that’s okay.

 

Here lies the gentle caution: when we discuss Bible prophecy, we should avoid speculation. Why? Because speaking too confidently about what we cannot know can create confusion or even disunity among those we love in the congregation. (W23 February)

[Doug]

16 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

 

Grammatically and logically, the emphasis is on the proclamation itself—the moment people say or believe that peace has been achieved, that things are improving, or that a major problem has been solved.

This means that the fulfilment of the prophecy does not require universal peace or a global cessation of hostilities.

 

This also implies a sobering truth: the decisive moment could occur at any time, even while wars and crises continue elsewhere. What matters is not the state of the world, but the collective declaration and perception that peace and security have been secured.

 

 

And the proclamation will be delivered by this world's media platforms.  The media decide what they want to hype up, and what they want to downplay.

The media can hype anything they want; a rumor, an off-the-record comment by anonymous source.  The media has a disproportionate influence over the public's perception of what's happening.   The tail wags the dog.

 

If there's any kind of development in the Ukraine war  (Putin isn't going to live forever), it could be treated by the media as a domino effect following the Israel / Gaza settlement.  It could be hyped-up like all of a sudden the leaders are coming to their senses.

 

The media can sell the perception of something that isn't. They can have everyone convinced that the world is on the threshold of a new dawn.  As the w23 says: "Demon-inspired propaganda will fill the earth, misleading most"   That will be due to the way the media hypes it up.

[mjcabz]

We experience again a strong earthquake here in the Philippines,. Last week it central Philippines. Now on the southern Philippines.

[hatcheckgirl]

How are the brothers faring Marven?

[ThomasGeorge]

As I dissect world events, I find myself increasingly confused. Even when the International Year of Peace was celebrated in 1986, I wonder if our brothers back then felt the same thoughts we are having today. Let’s wait for Jehovah’s timing. Let’s see how things unravel. Speculations lead us into confusion. But when we immerse ourselves in our Christian responsibilities, we may come to realize that the end could arrive suddenly

[Áine]

5 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Therefore our campaign in September .. telling people that only Jehovah can end wars permanently. 

From our front page article on jw.org 

In the near future, God will end all war and establish global peace. (Psalm 46:8, 9)

 

 

I have read somewhere here on the forum that brother Lett said at Switzerland's Convention .. "that war in Ukraine does not have to finish for the end to come" (can someone confirm this please?) 

I’m almost sure that I’ve heard this said in a talk as well, it makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it 

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, ThomasGeorge said:

Speculations lead us into confusion.

Have you actually seen anyone here speculating?

Did someone really say, in a speculative way, “This is it”?
From what I can tell, I’ve only seen people sharing news links and media reports — not making bold claims. But just observing what is happening in the world. 

 

[Witness1970]

Things in this world can change.  The way climate change is going might make someone think that the world has to end soon before the world becomes uninhabitable, but that can change due to a lot of factors.  Daniel says, "in the days of those kings" and economists say that China should surpass the US economically (but not militarily) by 2034.  But that could also change.  (How long can he US keep spending 9 times as much as China on military as the US economy sinks?) There is just no way to predict the day and hour even though we have been seeing the signs of the last days for a long time.  We know it is close, but we do not know exactly how close!

[mjcabz]

6 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

How are the brothers faring Marven?

Where fine here in our place but brothers near epicenter we don't have info yet 

[Osprey]

@JennyM are you and others in your area ok?

[Dhanyel]

Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Venezuela’s María Corina Machado for keeping ‘the flame of democracy burning’

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/10/world/maria-corina-machado-nobel-peace-prize-intl

 

[Shawnster]

Never heard of her. 

 

Good luck next year, Donald. 

[Dustparticle]

16 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Never heard of her. 

 

Good luck next year, Donald. 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/white-house-says-nobel-committee-113531178.html

[Regular]

2 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Venezuela’s María Corina Machado for keeping ‘the flame of democracy burning’

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/10/world/maria-corina-machado-nobel-peace-prize-intl

 

What exactly did she accomplish?

[ThomasGeorge]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Have you actually seen anyone here speculating?

Did someone really say, in a speculative way, “This is it”?
From what I can tell, I’ve only seen people sharing news links and media reports — not making bold claims. But just observing what is happening in the world. 

 

I apologize if my words gave you such an impression. It was a general statement. I did not mean to suggest that people in this forum were making assumptions. Anyway, I’ve realized that I should think carefully before expressing an opinion in a public platform. Thank you

[Dhanyel]