Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Doug]

1 hour ago, Jim Jam said:

I too have difficulty to see a strong alliance between the UK and the USA. 

If anything I'm seeing a strong alliance between the US and Israel

 

Both UK and Israel are allies of USA.  If UK was attacked by a terrorist group the way Israel was on October 7, the USA would be the first to help.

 

 

10 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

In the security policy document (NSS few days ago) Current US administration identifies Drug Cartels as enemies - not Russia. 

The U.S., which has been an interventionist power globally since the end of the Second World War, is shifting its focus to the Western hemisphere, according to the document — 

UK's enemy is Russia.. those two approaches do not align. 

Allies act together and have same enemy. Something does not add up. 

 

As far as being an 'enemy',  what can the USA do to Russia?  Can't use nukes, because they will respond with nukes.  The USA tries to bankrupt Russia, but it's not as easy as it sounds.

 

Russia has made threats against USA's ally Britain, and now we see the USA make threats against Russia's ally Venezuela.  It's like the KotS and the KotN can't go against each other directly. They try to hurt each other by proxy, or in some non-lethal fashion.

 

[Sofia]

What identifies the kings of north and south:

*** w20 May p. 3 par. 4 “The King of the North” in the Time of the End ***
4 The titles “king of the north” and “king of the south” were initially given to political powers located north and south of the literal land of Israel. Why do we say that? Notice what the angel who delivered the message to Daniel said: “I have come to make you understand what will befall your people in the final part of the days.” (Dan. 10:14) Until Pentecost 33 C.E., the literal nation of Israel was God’s people. From then on, however, Jehovah made it obvious that he viewed Jesus’ faithful disciples as his people. Therefore, much of the prophecy recorded in Daniel chapter 11 involves, not the literal nation of Israel, but Christ’s followers. (Acts 2:1-4; Rom. 9:6-8; Gal. 6:15, 16) And the identity of the king of the north and the king of the south changed over time. Even so, several factors remained constant. First, the kings interacted with God’s people in a significant way. Second, they showed by their treatment of God’s people that they hated the true God, Jehovah. And third, the two kings engaged in a power struggle with each other.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020400&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=10

 

 

There s only one time of truce mentioned in the prophecy: When both kings cooperate to create the disgusting thing (UN in 1945)

 

At the very end of Daniel chapter 11 we don’t see mentioned engagement of eachothers in conflicts. merely the acts of the KOTN alone.

This what we see now happening

Even though there are pushings (verse 40 which is being fullfilled ever since 1991) there are no more mentions of the KOTS 

Isn’t this what we are seeing?

Instead of focusing on what we don’t understand let us focus on what we are seeing now: Daniel prophecy is in full fulfillment.

Its possible that there won’t be any more conflict between those two kings before Armageddon where all of them will be destroyed 

Edited 23 hours ago by Sofia

[Doug]

51 minutes ago, Sofia said:

 

There s only one time of truce mentioned in the prophecy: When both kings cooperate to create the disgusting thing (UN in 1945)

 

 

I found this while preparing for MWM ~

 

"The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth.  It is really a conspiracy, with the worldly nations getting their heads together and scheming up what they may do against the visible organization of Jehovah God on earth.  During this "conclusion of the system of things," it was foreshadowed by the conspiracy referred to at Isaiah 8:12."

[chuck83]

My opinion: I see what others see outside of the US and I'm in the US. 

 

1) A nation isolating themselves and 2) the collapse of a dual empire.

 

As long as these fundamentals stick together but slowly fall apart in sync with GT and ultimately Armageddon we're on track. Military dominance, reserve currency, largest economy, and Silicon Valley, which is the US. UK, Global finance architecture, international legal model, 5i's (intelligence & espionage), military allied sort of like the US.

 

That's is the Anglo-American WP and their relationship could be on a 5mm thread by the time Jehovah puts his thought in their hearts.

 

Like someone said above. They stopped sharing intel (5i) with US over Venezuela and there has been more. Get your popcorn and let Jehovah and Jesus put on full display how Satan's system ran by humans doesn't work. 

 

Think Jerusalem, nobody got along internally. Pharisees and Sadducees hated each other. Zealots and priestly class were wild. Herodians supported Rome. The common people were suffering. It was wild internally but now it's global. No different in my view. It'll fall in-sync and on-time. Again... popcorn please.

Edited 21 hours ago by chuck83

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

 

I found this while preparing for MWM ~

 

"The United Nations is actually a worldly confederacy against Jehovah God and his dedicated Witnesses on earth.  It is really a conspiracy, with the worldly nations getting their heads together and scheming up what they may do against the visible organization of Jehovah God on earth.  During this "conclusion of the system of things," it was foreshadowed by the conspiracy referred to at Isaiah 8:12."

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG

[Shawnster]

How does current events compare with past differences of opinions between the US and the UK since the formation of the Anglo-American World Power?  

 

The US and UK have had similar rifts in the past.  Notice:

 

Cold War Era

• Suez Crisis (1956): The deepest rift, where US pressure (threatening financial ruin) forced Britain, France, and Israel to withdraw from Egypt, highlighting Britain's diminished global status and clashing US priorities in the Arab world.
• Vietnam War: UK PM Harold Wilson resisted President Johnson's push for British troops, straining ties, though not as severely as Suez.
• Grenada Invasion (1983): Thatcher privately opposed the US invasion of the Commonwealth nation, though the US eventually supported the UK in the Falklands. 

Post-Cold War & 21st Century

• Falklands War (1982): The US was initially hesitant but eventually tacitly supported the UK's actions against Argentina, a point of friction.
• Libya Intervention (2011): President Obama considered Germany's Merkel a closer partner than UK PM Cameron, feeling distracted by the intervention.
• Huawei & 5G: Disagreements arose over allowing Chinese tech giant Huawei into the UK's 5G network.
• Trade & Digital Issues: Tensions over digital service taxes, financial services, and the lack of a comprehensive post-Brexit free trade agreement (FTA).
• Harry Dunn Case: The death of Harry Dunn and the subsequent extradition request for the US diplomat's spouse caused significant diplomatic friction.
• Trump Presidency: Trump's "America First" stance challenged the sentimental aspects of the "Special Relationship". 

[Doug]

44 minutes ago, Sofia said:

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG

 

If I remember correctly, Gog is lead by the KotN ?   It will sure be interesting to observe the dynamics within the UN after Rev 17:17 takes effect.   One or two (Russia, China) dominate ?

[LeslieDean]

27 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

If I remember correctly, Gog is lead by the KotN ?   It will sure be interesting to observe the dynamics within the UN after Rev 17:17 takes effect.   One or two (Russia, China) dominate ?

You said:

Which is right

 

ChatGPT said:

I can help — I just need a little more context.

When you ask “Which is right,” what two options are you deciding between?

 

You said:

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG If I remember correctly, Gog is lead by the KotN ? It will sure be interesting to observe the dynamics within the UN after Rev 17:17 takes effect. One or two (Russia, China) dominate ?

Based on 2015 updated material.

---

1. Is Gog of Magog the UN?

No.
Jehovah’s Witnesses no longer identify Gog of Magog with a political entity such as the UN, Russia, or any worldly coalition.

The 2015 clarification (Watchtower, May 2015, Study Edition) explained:

Gog of Magog = Satan after he is cast out of heaven

• Gog is Satan himself, not a human government.

• After Armageddon begins, Satan gathers the nations to attack Jehovah’s people.

• He acts as a leader of this global assault, but he is the identity of Gog, not an organization.

So:
✔ Gog = Satan
✔ The attack = worldwide political forces united
✘ Not the UN
✘ Not Russia or China
✘ Not the King of the North

---

2. Who will lead the attack on Jehovah’s people?

According to the May 2015 WT clarification:

The nations, as a collective “coalition,” will act under Satan’s direction (Gog).

There is no single nation or political bloc that leads. Instead:

• All governments will act in unity,

• Moved along by Jehovah to fulfill His purpose (Rev. 17:17),

• And stirred by Satan’s rage, just before the end.

---

3. What about the UN?

While Gog is not the UN, the UN does play a major prophetic role, but in a different stage of events:

Before the attack on God’s people:

• The UN = wild beast (Rev. 17)

• It is given authority to destroy Babylon the Great (all false religion).

• Jehovah “puts it into their hearts” to do this (Rev. 17:16-17).

But after BTG is gone, the situation shifts:

During the attack on Jehovah’s people:

• It is not just the UN.

• All remaining governments (under Satan as Gog) join the assault.

---

4. Is Gog connected with the King of the North?

Not directly.

King of the North = the dominant aggressive world power that opposes Jehovah’s people in the last days (currently understood to be Russia and its allies).

Gog of Magog = Satan after being cast out of heaven, leading a worldwide coalition.

They are not the same.

However:

• The King of the North will take part in the attack.

• But he won’t be leading it as “Gog.”

---

5. What about the UN’s internal dynamics—will Russia or China dominate?

We cannot say.

What we do know from Revelation 17:17:

• Jehovah will make all political powers cooperate long enough to accomplish His will.

• The UN will act in ways it normally couldn’t (or wouldn’t) by its own political logic.

• The destruction of Babylon the Great will be unified, not driven by a single nation.

After that?

• Alliances may shift.

• The UN’s internal tensions may change.

• But the exact geopolitical details are deliberately not revealed to us.

What we are certain of is:

Jehovah will control events. Political influence inside the UN will not determine prophecy—Jehovah’s purpose will.

---

Summary (the “right” understanding):

• Gog = Satan, not the UN.

• The UN destroys false religion, not Jehovah’s people.

• The global attack on Jehovah’s people comes after BTG is gone, led by Satan (Gog).

• The King of the North is a separate prophecy, though it participates in the final assault.

• No one nation (Russia or China) is prophesied to dominate the UN during these events.

I believe after rereading the researched material this sums it up and polishes in a way that is easy to follow.

[LeslieDean]

Just now, LeslieDean said:

You said:

Which is right

 

ChatGPT said:

I can help — I just need a little more context.

When you ask “Which is right,” what two options are you deciding between?

 

You said:

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG If I remember correctly, Gog is lead by the KotN ? It will sure be interesting to observe the dynamics within the UN after Rev 17:17 takes effect. One or two (Russia, China) dominate ?

Based on 2015 updated material.

---

1. Is Gog of Magog the UN?

No.
Jehovah’s Witnesses no longer identify Gog of Magog with a political entity such as the UN, Russia, or any worldly coalition.

The 2015 clarification (Watchtower, May 2015, Study Edition) explained:

Gog of Magog = Satan after he is cast out of heaven

• Gog is Satan himself, not a human government.

• After Armageddon begins, Satan gathers the nations to attack Jehovah’s people.

• He acts as a leader of this global assault, but he is the identity of Gog, not an organization.

So:
✔ Gog = Satan
✔ The attack = worldwide political forces united
✘ Not the UN
✘ Not Russia or China
✘ Not the King of the North

---

2. Who will lead the attack on Jehovah’s people?

According to the May 2015 WT clarification:

The nations, as a collective “coalition,” will act under Satan’s direction (Gog).

There is no single nation or political bloc that leads. Instead:

• All governments will act in unity,

• Moved along by Jehovah to fulfill His purpose (Rev. 17:17),

• And stirred by Satan’s rage, just before the end.

---

3. What about the UN?

While Gog is not the UN, the UN does play a major prophetic role, but in a different stage of events:

Before the attack on God’s people:

• The UN = wild beast (Rev. 17)

• It is given authority to destroy Babylon the Great (all false religion).

• Jehovah “puts it into their hearts” to do this (Rev. 17:16-17).

But after BTG is gone, the situation shifts:

During the attack on Jehovah’s people:

• It is not just the UN.

• All remaining governments (under Satan as Gog) join the assault.

---

4. Is Gog connected with the King of the North?

Not directly.

King of the North = the dominant aggressive world power that opposes Jehovah’s people in the last days (currently understood to be Russia and its allies).

Gog of Magog = Satan after being cast out of heaven, leading a worldwide coalition.

They are not the same.

However:

• The King of the North will take part in the attack.

• But he won’t be leading it as “Gog.”

---

5. What about the UN’s internal dynamics—will Russia or China dominate?

We cannot say.

What we do know from Revelation 17:17:

• Jehovah will make all political powers cooperate long enough to accomplish His will.

• The UN will act in ways it normally couldn’t (or wouldn’t) by its own political logic.

• The destruction of Babylon the Great will be unified, not driven by a single nation.

After that?

• Alliances may shift.

• The UN’s internal tensions may change.

• But the exact geopolitical details are deliberately not revealed to us.

What we are certain of is:

Jehovah will control events. Political influence inside the UN will not determine prophecy—Jehovah’s purpose will.

---

Summary (the “right” understanding):

• Gog = Satan, not the UN.

• The UN destroys false religion, not Jehovah’s people.

• The global attack on Jehovah’s people comes after BTG is gone, led by Satan (Gog).

• The King of the North is a separate prophecy, though it participates in the final assault.

• No one nation (Russia or China) is prophesied to dominate the UN during these events.

I believe after rereading the researched material this sums it up and polishes in a way that is easy to follow.

I have been having help in how to use AI according to only our material for research. I hope this does not offend anyone and if there is a problem please kindly point it out to me where I can learn.

[dljbsp]

17 minutes ago, LeslieDean said:

I have been having help in how to use AI according to only our material for research

Just a small thought, sister — you expressed that beautifully.

 

My experience: AI absolutely makes mistakes, and checking every reference ourselves is non-negotiable. If anything, that safeguard turns the whole process into real research, because you still verify each scripture, each publication, each point. The tool can gather the dirt, but we’re the ones who sift it and decide what’s actually worth planting.

 

Used that way, it just speeds up the digging. The accuracy still depends on us — and on sticking closely to Jehovah’s own channel for the truth. 😊

And really, that’s the whole point — we’re not just tossing a pile of information on the table and saying, “the computer said this, take it or leave it.” We’re treating it the same way we treat any tool: we check it, we refine it, and we measure it against Jehovah’s own channel before we ever share it. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 

[trottigy]

43 minutes ago, LeslieDean said:

You said:

Which is right

 

ChatGPT said:

I can help — I just need a little more context.

When you ask “Which is right,” what two options are you deciding between?

 

You said:

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG If I remember correctly, Gog is lead by the KotN ? It will sure be interesting to observe the dynamics within the UN after Rev 17:17 takes effect. One or two (Russia, China) dominate ?

Based on 2015 updated material.

---

1. Is Gog of Magog the UN?

No.
Jehovah’s Witnesses no longer identify Gog of Magog with a political entity such as the UN, Russia, or any worldly coalition.

The 2015 clarification (Watchtower, May 2015, Study Edition) explained:

Gog of Magog = Satan after he is cast out of heaven

• Gog is Satan himself, not a human government.

• After Armageddon begins, Satan gathers the nations to attack Jehovah’s people.

• He acts as a leader of this global assault, but he is the identity of Gog, not an organization.

So:
✔ Gog = Satan
✔ The attack = worldwide political forces united
✘ Not the UN
✘ Not Russia or China
✘ Not the King of the North

---

2. Who will lead the attack on Jehovah’s people?

According to the May 2015 WT clarification:

The nations, as a collective “coalition,” will act under Satan’s direction (Gog).

There is no single nation or political bloc that leads. Instead:

• All governments will act in unity,

• Moved along by Jehovah to fulfill His purpose (Rev. 17:17),

• And stirred by Satan’s rage, just before the end.

---

3. What about the UN?

While Gog is not the UN, the UN does play a major prophetic role, but in a different stage of events:

Before the attack on God’s people:

• The UN = wild beast (Rev. 17)

• It is given authority to destroy Babylon the Great (all false religion).

• Jehovah “puts it into their hearts” to do this (Rev. 17:16-17).

But after BTG is gone, the situation shifts:

During the attack on Jehovah’s people:

• It is not just the UN.

• All remaining governments (under Satan as Gog) join the assault.

---

4. Is Gog connected with the King of the North?

Not directly.

King of the North = the dominant aggressive world power that opposes Jehovah’s people in the last days (currently understood to be Russia and its allies).

Gog of Magog = Satan after being cast out of heaven, leading a worldwide coalition.

They are not the same.

However:

• The King of the North will take part in the attack.

• But he won’t be leading it as “Gog.”

---

5. What about the UN’s internal dynamics—will Russia or China dominate?

We cannot say.

What we do know from Revelation 17:17:

• Jehovah will make all political powers cooperate long enough to accomplish His will.

• The UN will act in ways it normally couldn’t (or wouldn’t) by its own political logic.

• The destruction of Babylon the Great will be unified, not driven by a single nation.

After that?

• Alliances may shift.

• The UN’s internal tensions may change.

• But the exact geopolitical details are deliberately not revealed to us.

What we are certain of is:

Jehovah will control events. Political influence inside the UN will not determine prophecy—Jehovah’s purpose will.

---

Summary (the “right” understanding):

• Gog = Satan, not the UN.

• The UN destroys false religion, not Jehovah’s people.

• The global attack on Jehovah’s people comes after BTG is gone, led by Satan (Gog).

• The King of the North is a separate prophecy, though it participates in the final assault.

• No one nation (Russia or China) is prophesied to dominate the UN during these events.

I believe after rereading the researched material this sums it up and polishes in a way that is easy to follow.

 

It looks like AI can't read....

That's not with that 2015 magazine article stated. Instead it stated, 

Quote

Therefore, “Gog” does NOT refer to Satan in either Ezekiel’s prophecy or the book of Revelation.

 

Who, then, is Gog of Magog? To answer that question, we need to search the Scriptures to find out who attacks God’s people. The Bible speaks not only of the attack by ‘Gog of Magog’ but also of the attack by “the king of the north” and of the attack by “the kings of the earth.” 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015364#h=6

 

Wow! This makes me trust AI even less. Always good to go to the source.

Edited 18 hours ago by trottigy

[LeslieDean]

11 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

It looks like AI can't read....

That's not with that 2015 magazine article stated. Instead it stated, 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015364#h=6

 

Wow! This makes me trust AI even less. Always good to go to the source.

I will have to stop and let my mind settle. Sometimes the longer I try to sort things out I become more confused. It begins to sound contradictory and I can't separate it. I will look again tomorrow and appreciate your input. 

[LeslieDean]

24 minutes ago, dljbsp said:

Just a small thought, sister — you expressed that beautifully.

 

My experience: AI absolutely makes mistakes, and checking every reference ourselves is non-negotiable. If anything, that safeguard turns the whole process into real research, because you still verify each scripture, each publication, each point. The tool can gather the dirt, but we’re the ones who sift it and decide what’s actually worth planting.

 

Used that way, it just speeds up the digging. The accuracy still depends on us — and on sticking closely to Jehovah’s own channel for the truth. 😊

Ai is definitely a new tool for me.  Yes I try to verify every cited reference. That being said I blame my own improper use of a tool. Last week I tried to nail a screw into drywall. I was exhausted from moving all week and just wanted to hurry the last picture to be hung. I tried to convince myself it would work. And it did until about 2 am when the picture came crashing down. Key to reminder is stop when you are tired.

[Doug]

10 minutes ago, LeslieDean said:

I have been having help in how to use AI according to only our material for research. I hope this does not offend anyone and if there is a problem please kindly point it out to me where I can learn.

 

AI can make mistakes.  It may not differentiate between an old understanding (Satan is Gog) and current understanding.  So, use with caution / discretion.

[Lance]

AI is the latest “bright fire” that inspires awe and dread simultaneously… I don’t want to be too melodramatic,  but as time goes on I am sure there is going to be a “tree of the knowledge ……”  moments as to what to  trust .. 

AI presents amazing instant dazzling knowledge, which I use in my work..but the deeper question is …Do we trust the voice of truth, or the voice of pride, profit, and manipulation… when it comes to our faith. Don’t think for a moment that Satan will not try to make a great thing evil, especially when it comes to truth and knowledge.. just as our devices can be used for honourable things or at the same time disgraceful things. 

Just as Eve faced competing voices (Jehovah’s command vs. the serpent’s persuasion), people today often face competing narratives, and in the future much more. 

AI-generated “truths” vs. divine wisdom and conscience… in time there will probably be a Watchtower study on it. As with any research tool, use it carefully and double check sources…. Walk carefully and carry  a big stick. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Lance

[LeslieDean]

6 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

AI can make mistakes.  It may not differentiate between an old understanding (Satan is Gog) and current understanding.  So, use with caution / discretion.

I have encountered this twice. I was researching a clearer understanding of marriage partners after the resurrection and the possibility of remarry each other. First response was based on my understanding from when I first began to study in 1997 which was no. But I recalled the updated information of we can not be dogmatic. I called it out on that and it immediately corrected to say it referenced  outdated information. The second time was it used the crucification of Christ and stated it used that term based on original words. Instead of my explaining I will give the answer Ai supplied. I was upset and asked how I could trust their response if they used a word JWs do not use. I just found the reply and copied to paste here.  

'Yes.
Before the 1930s, the Watch Tower used the common biblical terms of the King James Version, including:

• “crucify”

• “crucifixion”

• “crucified”

This was because the early Bible Students used the KJV widely, and the word “crucify” is a standard translation of the Greek word stauróō.
The terminology changed only after the doctrine was clarified — that Jesus died on a stake, not a cross. But the word “crucify” continued to appear in quotations, historical descriptions, and dictionary definitions.' I have had a brother explain on our Egypt trip in May that the writing committee uses AI for research and compares closely it's findings. I try to inspect things carefully too. Thanks for all your help. 

[Shannie]

The other night I was walking outside and I think it was dust dawn…or like sunset time I was looking up in the sky and asking Jehovah how long …☹️ if felt so good to look up in the sky!!

 

But ….I do wonder how long since all bible prophecy has been fulfilled..

 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

It looks like AI can't read....

That's not with that 2015 magazine article stated. Instead it stated, 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015364#h=6

 

Wow! This makes me trust AI even less. Always good to go to the source.

 

You must verify what Ai says. It will even create entire articles out of thin air or say the article was from this Watchtower on that date only for that to be completely wrong. 

 

Trust but verify. 

[mjcabz]

As brotherly reminder. We must not rely on any means of info source whether info of our brothers or organizational info except jw.org. Please be careful in choosing info source 

[LeolaRootStew]

I got a better answer when setting more parameters.  

 

Prompt: 

using only jw.org as a source, and prioritizing newer publications over older ones: who is gog of magog

 

Answer:

 

Quote

Here’s what jw.org — using only *Jehovah’s Witnesses’ publications and prioritizing newer interpretations — says about who “Gog of Magog” is:

 

📘1. Modern Understanding (Post-2015 adjustment)

 

Jehovah’s Witnesses’ current explanation (as found in The Watchtower and other jw.org articles) teaches that:

• Gog of Magog is not Satan the Devil. Older Watchtower literature once taught that “Gog” referred to Satan after his expulsion from heaven, but that view was revised.
• The prophecy in Ezekiel 38–39 describes a future, visible coalition of nations that will make a final assault against God’s people near the end of this system of things. Gog is thus understood to represent this joining together of earthly powers, not a single spirit being.
• The reason for this reinterpretation is biblical details showing that Gog is described as being eaten by birds and given a burial place, which doesn’t fit a spirit creature like Satan.

📗2. What the Coalition Represents

• Gog of Magog is seen as a head leader of a vast army drawn from many nations that will attack Jehovah’s people in the “last part of the years” just before Armageddon.
• This coalition may be connected with other prophetic designations such as the “king of the north,” “kings of the earth,” etc., used elsewhere in Scripture to describe hostile world powers against God’s Kingdom.

📘3. Related Usage of the Term

• In Revelation 20:8, “Gog and Magog” is used symbolically for those nations and peoples worldwide who rebel against God’s Kingdom after the Millennium.
• Thus the term can refer both to the specific end-time coalition of nations against God’s people and, symbolically, to rebellious nations in a future context after Christ’s Millennial reign.

📙 Summary (According to JW Interpretation)

Term/Context	Meaning According to jw.org
Gog of Magog (Ezekiel 38–39)	A coalition of earthly nations that will attack God’s people in the last part of the “time of the end.â€Â
Gog in Revelation 20:8	Symbolic reference to rebellious nations after the Millennium, influenced by Satan.Â
Satan and Gog	Gog is not identified as Satan in the current interpretation; Satan is the unseen influence behind these nations.Â

 

Edited 5 hours ago by LeolaRootStew

[Shawnster]

AI is a great research tool. Right now thar is all it is - an overpowered search engine. You have to tell it where to search, how to search, and then definitely check the answer. 

 

Do not assume the answer is correct. Take the extra 2 minutes to verify. 

[ChrisW]

I don't use AI for spiritual research.  I've put certain parameters on info that it gives me when asking about anything outside of the truth. But I never give biblical questions.  That's just me though. 

[Bruceq]

15 hours ago, Sofia said:

I believe UN is in fact Gog of Magog the coalition of nations that will want to exterminate Jehovah’s organization on Earth, shortly after destroying BTG

Gog is said to be the leader of the coalition of nations, the King of the North. But the False Prophet or the Anglo-American world power is stated to be one of these unclean inspired expressions with the United Nations being another one. So, they will all apparently work together under the banner of a newly empowered Global Government of the United Nations, United Earth. So, it is possible that the United Nations becomes Gog of Magog since Gog is comprised of the Kings of the North and South which explains why there was “no helper” for the King of the North at the end since Armageddon is against ALL nations under the banner of the U.N. in conjunction with the unclean inspired expression of the puppet master Satan the Devil. [Verses 44 and 45 of Dan. 11 may be for the U.N. and not just King of the North].

Thus, Brother Jackson mentions at the Annual Meeting about the United Nations: “But it will enable them to destroy false religion AND fight against Jesus and Jehovah's people. Gog is the one who fights against Jesus and Jehovah’s people at Armageddon].

[Jim Jam]

56 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

I don't use AI for spiritual research.  I've put certain parameters on info that it gives me when asking about anything outside of the truth. But I never give biblical questions.  That's just me though. 

 

The only spiritual reason I would use AI is to look up the reference of a verse, like "what's the verse where Jesus warns of Jerusalem's destruction?" 

 

I don't know why a believer would use AI for publication research when wol.jw does the job 

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43 minutes ago, Jim Jam said:

 

The only spiritual reason I would use AI is to look up the reference of a verse, like "what's the verse where Jesus warns of Jerusalem's destruction?" 

 

I don't know why a believer would use AI for publication research when wol.jw does the job 

 

The same sentiments were expressed back in the 1980's about using computers to keep congregation records or Bible publications - even keeping track of time spent in the ministry.

 

More recently, the same sentiments were expressed as to using a Bible on an electronic device. Some even using the expression, "I want to use a real Bible" - meaning a book with paper because they felt using an electronic Bible was not proper.

 

Tools are tools - the tool is not the problem; it is how we use it.