Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, navco said:

im always looking at the waters of religion and how its drying up and the rate its drying up especially since  covid so i know we are close  but one thing has caught my attention that stands out the aggressive verbal on the intrument that Jehovah wil use to destroy the un i havent witnessed in my 47 years of living is catching my attention i say under 5 years but i will wait forever if its needed.i told my wife in 2019 before 2030  im running out of time

 

what does that mean?

[navco]

6 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

what does that mean?

Sorry about that im on my phone. i meant the attitude that the united states and others who have a negative view of the un at the moment.

[Sackedbysapp]

12 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I completely agree. In the past, when I felt like the end was coming "soon" I realize I didn't have anything concrete to point to that justified my feelings - I was just ready for the end. But now, I see so many legitimate reasons why it has to happen soon.

 

I would actually be more shocked of the GT didn't start this year! I really, really hope this is it!

In a way I think it would be unfair for them to taste death from old age…

[GodlyDevotion]

5 hours ago, yzarctonmi said:

Looking at the way the world has disintegrated in the past 30 years, especially in the last 6 years or so tells me the end has to come soon.

I’ve noticed that we often feel a strong urge for the end to come, and it is driven by deeply personal convictions. In many (if not all) cases, this longing is sincere. We are tired, we are hurting, and we want relief. I really do.

 

But could it be that we sometimes miss a vital part of the picture? The vindication of Jehovah’s name.

 

When our focus shifts too heavily toward wanting the end to arrive simply so our problems will disappear, we risk losing sight of one of the foremost reasons the end matters at all. The issue is not only our relief, but Jehovah’s sovereignty and name.

 

While the end has not yet come, we are still living in a truly remarkable spiritual environment: one that offers access to understanding, guidance, and unity that no generation before us has experienced in this way. 
 

Jehovah, on the other hand, continues to have his name misrepresented by the greater populace. If the end had come twenty-seven years ago, I would not have been born. I would not have had this opportunity to know him, to reason, to choose, or to grow.
 

That realization leaves me with no room for telling Jehovah what to do; only gratitude. Many times, it brings me right to the core of my emotions, because I recognize that Jehovah patiently waited for me.

 

It doesn’t change my belief that the end is close (even way closer), and I know many feel the same. However, I find it valuable to engage in what I call scenario analysis, deliberately considering the less comfortable and ugly possibility: what if it does not come as soon as we expect? What if it takes another seven years… or fifteen… or even twenty?

 

What would life (our lives) look like then? Is there something — even something small — that I could adjust now? Could I set a meaningful spiritual purpose for that span of time? Could I learn a skill that could be useful in the new world, especially in the early years? 
 

Planning for the new world is one way we get ourselves busy. I am working on cloud technology currently. I intend to apply it in the early years of the new world. I am so widely optimistic about it, lol.

 

But someone needs to keep JW.org active in those early years before it is discontinued if it ever is. And if I can start now, maybe I can be useful for that purpose then and even now in the branch. 

I am just offering another perspective that could help us endure this system if it persists. Instead of anchoring ourselves to a single outcome, we prepare for scenarios and faithfulness over time. It helps us remain steady, productive, and spiritually focused even if our expectations are delayed.

Edited yesterday at 12:26 AM by GodlyDevotion

[vern]

All anointed that have died have not had it come in there life time.... all we can pray for is to stay faithful.

[jwzhang]

7 hours ago, yzarctonmi said:

 

I don’t think it'll be another 30+ years, for a few reasons.

 

First is our current understanding of Matthew 24:34. The contemporaries of the 1^st group that some of will live to see the great tribulation are really up in years, and they will not live another 30 years.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202018090

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200272352/12/4

 

My second reason for not believing that the end will come in 30+ years is based on Matthew 24:37-39. Looking at the way the world has disintegrated in the past 30 years, especially in the last 6 years or so tells me the end has to come soon. If conditions get any more extreme, everyone would forced to recognize that the only logical reason is because of prophecy being fulfilled.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015604?q=Conditions&p=par#:~:text=5.%20Why,this%20wicked%20system.

 

The current state of the world is so fragile and is in eminent danger of collapsing in nearly every aspect, yet we know this will not happen until the Great Tribulation.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603#:~:text=Read%C2%A0Luke,without%20certain%20necessities.

 

These and other reasons convince me that this system cannot continue for another 30+ years. However, as we do not know Jehovah’s exact time, I try to live as it will be tomorrow yet plan as it will be another 30 years. 

 

Awesome comment, sister Cyndi! That's the right way and outlook to live. I was also looking for that "Keep in Expectation" article, so thanks for sharing the source!

[Doug]

4 hours ago, GodlyDevotion said:

 

If the end had come twenty-seven years ago, I would not have been born. I would not have had this opportunity to know him, to reason, to choose, or to grow.
 

 

What you said is true.  And everyone can say the same thing simply by changing the number to 50, 60 , 70 ,  years ago.

 

Here's another perspective ~  If Adam and Eve had not sinned, you and the rest of us would not have been born. We are alive as a result of every little thing that happened since they had their first children.  If they had not sinned, the human race would have gone in an entirely different direction. It seems weird, but we live because they sinned and Jehovah deemed their yet-to-be-conceived children as deserving of life.

 

In Br Winder's talk "Manifest Godly Patience", he makes the point that God's patience is purpose oriented, he wants to give people a chance to change.

But, his patience is not due to babies being born every day, and wanting to give them a chance to grow up and have the opportunity to know him, to make a choice.  If that was the case, the end would never come.

 

Jehovah's attributes are perfectly balanced, and the time will come when patience can no longer be warranted.  At that time, justice and righteousness demand action.

 

We understand that the 'good news' will be preached right down to the end. So, Jehovah exercises patience, holding out the opportunity to know him, until it can't be warranted, and he knows when that time is. It's on the divine calendar.

 

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[Dhanyel]

I can’t see myself going underneath, only over the top. And you—do you feel the same?

Could it be because we have eternity in our hearts?

I don’t want to die; I want to see the end of the story.

I really want to make it through alive, but I don’t know if I am worthy of going over the top or underneath.

[ChrisW]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

I can’t see myself going underneath, only over the top. And you—do you feel the same?

Could it be because we have eternity in our hearts?

I don’t want to die; I want to see the end of the story.

I really want to make it through alive, but I don’t know if I am worthy of going over the top or underneath.

I do wish the same. I want to walk through this system into the new world.  I wish that for my parents and my friends whose parents are older. But I know I'm not special. I have friends that have had to deal with loss and friends I have loss. I pray that whatever happens i stand firm and not let any challenge cause me to lose my balance.  

[Percy]

On 1/31/2026 at 4:56 PM, vern said:

All anointed that have died have not had it come in there life time.... all we can pray for is to stay faithful.

As far as generation is concerned, the 'anointed' didn't die. They were transferred to Heaven in a twinkle of an eye. They are still alive and part of the generation.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Percy said:

As far as generation is concerned, the 'anointed' didn't die. They were transferred to Heaven in a twinkle of an eye. They are still alive and part of the generation.

No. They died. 

 

To suggest they did not die but were transferred to heaven makes it sound like or gives the impression that the teaching of the rapture is correct. 

 

All people who are resurrected to heavenly life must first die and complete their earthly course of life. The fact their resurrection is instantaneous the moment of death is irrelevant. They still die first. 

 

 

[Cushi]

5 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

I can’t see myself going underneath, only over the top. And you—do you feel the same?

Could it be because we have eternity in our hearts?

I don’t want to die; I want to see the end of the story.

I really want to make it through alive, but I don’t know if I am worthy of going over the top or underneath.

I feel the same way. As a 39 year old brother who was raised in the truth, I don’t know what it’s like to expect to die. I’ve always imagined I would either be granted entry into the New World if I prove myself faithful, or I would die at Armageddon for proving unfaithful. Of course, I could die from an accident or health-related issues; after all, I’ve had several near-death experiences and former health-related problems that could have easily ended my life. 
But for the most part, I see the great tribulation and Armageddon happening during my lifetime, possibly before I turn 50. I call this time period “The historical sweetspot.”

 

But that's not to say that my generation and those after are better than those who fell asleep in death or will fall asleep. Those who are resurrected will get to cherish a privilege that will no doubt draw them very close to Jehovah: Having been personally recreated by him. It will be special for those resurrected by him through Jesus Christ to know that they had every detail about them committed to memory and were created like Adam was 😊

[Dages]

3 minutes ago, Cushi said:

But for the most part, I see the great tribulation and Armageddon happening during my lifetime, possibly before I turn 50. I call this time period “The historical sweetspot.”

Exactly the same, and I'm 40  

[Tronora]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

No. They died. 

 

To suggest they did not die but were transferred to heaven makes it sound like or gives the impression that the teaching of the rapture is correct. 

 

All people who are resurrected to heavenly life must first die and complete their earthly course of life. The fact their resurrection is instantaneous the moment of death is irrelevant. They still die first. 

 

 

 

Hm. How about 1.Cor 15:51 ... Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 

 

I see the literature. No, no rapture, so maybe just wording ... Maybe there will be brighter light shed on this.

 

Another scripture: 1 Tess 4:17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.

 

Anyway, it's probably off-topic? The wording of this scripture is interesting.

 

 

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[Dages]

49 minutes ago, Tronora said:

We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 

not "all"  so it entails many DO indeed

[Dolce vita]

59 minutes ago, Tronora said:

 

Hm. How about 1.Cor 15:51 ... Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 

 

I see the literature. No, no rapture, so maybe just wording ... Maybe there will be brighter light shed on this.

 

Another scripture: 1 Tess 4:17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.

 

Anyway, it's probably off-topic? The wording of this scripture is interesting.

 

 

 

 

The Anointed must experience the same death as Jesus, that is, they must definitively abandon the prospect of living on earth in order to obtain their heavenly inheritance. So, passing through death seems inevitable.

 

In 1 Corinthians 15, this obligation is detailed. How else can we understand this passage?

" 1 Corinthians 15:36 must first die: Speaking of the resurrection of anointed Christians to life as spiritual beings, Paul compares the burial of the physical body to sowing a seed. The grain dies in the sense that once in the ground, it disintegrates. Then it becomes a plant that has an entirely different form and appearance (cf. John 12:24). In the same vein, a Christian chosen by God to be a joint heir with his Son and to receive an imperishable and immortal body in heaven must first die. In 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, Paul uses the expression “is sown” four times in a figurative sense. He thus illustrates the fact that a Christian anointed with the spirit abandons his physical body and obtains a heavenly body through resurrection (see study note on 1 Corinthians 15:38)."

 

 

[Miss Bea]

Hmmm. I’m 82, and I want so to see Jehovah’s name set on high. Exactly where it belongs. I want to experience this monumental event. Above ground.
I know this isn’t written in law, but the speaker today said. You know how you feel before a lightening storm. The hair on your arms may stand up. That is how close we are to the end. It brought me comfort. My health is good, but, at this age, you never know…