Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[LeolaRootStew]

9 minutes ago, Julsey said:

The Slave has made it clear (I thought) that the King of the South will be destroyed by Jehovah’s hand. They have also said that things would be going along pretty much as normal when the end occurred. I wish I could find the references. I’m just too tired.

 

Defeated is not the same as destroyed. The US can lose a lot of power and/or status, but it will not be replaced on the world stage because it is the last King of the South and will be destroyed by Jehovah, like you said. It will survive until Armageddon, but it may be on life-support.

[ucastrobr]

 

https://aeromorning.com/en/hypersonica-successfully-tests-europes-sovereign-hypersonic-missile-prototype/

 

 

[Brandon]

Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu literally just said: "We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday." 🤔

 

Can't make this weird stuff up

[Shawnster]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu literally just said: "We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday."

 

It might. What does he know.  

[sixseven]

.... US can lose a lot of power and/or status, but it will not be replaced on the world stage because it is the last King of the South ...... ??

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong but King of the South is Anglo-American world power I believe and not just the US..... unless I'm mistaken. 

[LeolaRootStew]

14 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu literally just said: "We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday." 🤔

 

Can't make this weird stuff up

 

Multiple religions are seeing this conflict as end-times prophecy. We can only hope they are right. 😉 

[Landon1285]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu literally just said: "We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday." 🤔

 

Can't make this weird stuff up

 

You're correct this is an interesting view which includes the building of a third temple. 

 

Third temple prophecy... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple

 

 

 

[Cushi]

3 hours ago, Julsey said:

The Slave has made it clear (I thought) that the King of the South will be destroyed by Jehovah’s hand. They have also said that things would be going along pretty much as normal when the end occurred. I wish I could find the references. I’m just too tired.

They have, and that's what I believe. When I quoted Daniel 11:42, saying “Egypt will not escape,” I didn't mean utter destruction, but rather a possible setback through a proxy war by the KoTN. If you look up the study material on that verse, you’ll see it was applied before to the KoTS defeat in the Vietnam War. It’s Daniel 7:26, 8:25 that describe the KoTS being destroyed by God’s kingdom, not the verse I quoted. This is evident in that two verses later, it describes the final campaign of the northern king, an action he will take while the southern king is still in power, before Armageddon. 

 

Yes, they said things wouldn't get so bad that everyone would be forced to recognize the composite sign. This doesn't rule out a world war, because WWI and WWII didn't lead people to that conclusion.

[Cushi]

2 hours ago, Landon1285 said:

 

You're correct this is an interesting view which includes the building of a third temple. 

 

Third temple prophecy... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple

 

 

 

I witnessed, informally, the other day to a guy and asked if he thought we were in the last days. Although professing to be Christian, he said he didn’t think we were because “the second temple hadn’t been built yet.”

I read to him the description of the attitudes of people in 2 Timothy and also mentioned the features of the sign in Matthew 24. He said people had always been that way and that there had always been wars and pestilences. He kept saying we couldn’t possibly be in the last days because there’s no third temple. This shows how one false teaching can throw people way off. Unless he changes his thinking, the Great Tribulation is going to catch him and like-minded people unawares because they are waiting on something that may never happen.

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, sixseven said:

.... US can lose a lot of power and/or status, but it will not be replaced on the world stage because it is the last King of the South ...... ??

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong but King of the South is Anglo-American world power I believe and not just the US..... unless I'm mistaken. 

 

Correct. 

 

If the US lost power, then the Anglo-American World Power would, likewise, lose power. Kinda hard to be dominant if half of the body suddenly becomes significantly weaker. 

 

 

[Percy]

1 hour ago, Cushi said:

He kept saying we couldn’t possibly be in the last days because there’s no third temple.

This is tied up with the 70 weeks of Daniel. For some strange reason some have lopped off the last week of 7 years and moved it to the End Times of now, having the Temple rebuilt so sacrifices can be restarted. (Dan 9:27) is the verse. It goes back to the 1800s and the beginnings of the "Rapture" doctrine. It is quite complex but convoluted. Lots believe it, mostly from the US, which is why there is so much focus by them on the Middle East and the war there. It might have a connection to British Israelites too, but don't quote me. 

[Landon1285]

12 minutes ago, Percy said:

This is tied up with the 70 weeks of Daniel. For some strange reason some have lopped off the last week of 7 years and moved it to the End Times of now, having the Temple rebuilt so sacrifices can be restarted. (Dan 9:27) is the verse. It goes back to the 1800s and the beginnings of the "Rapture" doctrine. It is quite complex but convoluted. Lots believe it, mostly from the US, which is why there is so much focus by them on the Middle East and the war there. It might have a connection to British Israelites too, but don't quote me. 

Correct the idea was popularized through the Scofield Bible and teachings of John Darby. 

 

The other idea of Christian dispensationalist is the 

Gap View of the "Church Age." They argue that the 69th week ended with Jesus' death. God then "paused" his prophetic clock for Israel, creating a gap or "parenthesis" that has lasted nearly 2,000 years. 

[JennyM]

10 hours ago, JakeInEurope said:

 

Isaiah 41:10

Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not be anxious, for I am your God. I will fortify you, yes, I will help you, I will really hold on to you with my right hand of righteousness.’

I do am afraid because this war has an impact on th economy for real. Anyway, nothing difference to ordinary people. 

[JakeInEurope]

18 minutes ago, JennyM said:

I do am afraid because this war has an impact on th economy for real. Anyway, nothing difference to ordinary people. 

 

Matthew 6:25-27

25 “On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? 26 Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are? 27 Who of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span?

 

 

What wil be will be. 

 

 

[Cushi]

6 hours ago, Percy said:

This is tied up with the 70 weeks of Daniel. For some strange reason, some have lopped off the last week of 7 years and moved it to the End Times now, with the Temple rebuilt so sacrifices can be restarted. (Dan 9:27) is the verse. It goes back to the 1800s and the beginnings of the "Rapture" doctrine. It is quite complex but convoluted. Lots believe it, mostly from the US, which is why there is so much focus by them on the Middle East and the war there. It might have a connection to British Israelites, too, but don't quote me. 

Yeah, I looked into that a couple of years ago. It amazes me that they think the first 69 weeks would be consecutive, and then the last week would take place some 2,000 years later. And they kill me with that peace treaty and antichrist stuff 🤦🏾‍♂️

[ucastrobr]

 

 

Trump has always had a friendly relationship with Putin and may withdraw many of the sanctions against Russia in the future, especially if Russia allows him to gain more influence in the Middle East.

Putin, on the other hand, wants to take control of Ukraine. So it could be like putting the cards on the table: you take this, and I take that.

 

 

Trump eases Russian oil sanctions as Iran war sends prices spiking

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Cushi said:

Yeah, I looked into that a couple of years ago. It amazes me that they think the first 69 weeks would be consecutive, and then the last week would take place some 2,000 years later. And they kill me with that peace treaty and antichrist stuff 🤦🏾‍♂️

 

I saw someone on social media share the meme that the current Republican Playlist is inspired by the "Left Behind" series of fictional books based on Christendom's view of the end times, antichrist, rapture, etc... 

[trottigy]

11 hours ago, Landon1285 said:

Correct the idea was popularized through the Scofield Bible and teachings of John Darby. 

 

The other idea of Christian dispensationalist is the 

Gap View of the "Church Age." They argue that the 69th week ended with Jesus' death. God then "paused" his prophetic clock for Israel, creating a gap or "parenthesis" that has lasted nearly 2,000 years. 

 

I had a conversation with someone recently about this. I explained our belief that these are consecutive and not separated. He then said I must believe in the "replacement theology". I had to look that up ... The next week when I saw him I said, "yes, we do (mostly). As this is essentially most of what Paul wrote about in the Christian Greek scriptures - especially Romans and Hebrews." He looked at me like I had blasphemed. And we agreed to disagree. 

 

You know, it's hard to get past the passage in Romans 11 about replacing Jews with gentiles.

 

EDIT: found the topic from 3 years ago - 

 

 

 

I'll stop being off topic and post about this there.

 

Edited 9 minutes ago by trottigy

[Landon1285]

1 hour ago, trottigy said:

 

I had a conversation with someone recently about this. I explained our belief that these are consecutive and not separated. He then said I must believe in the "replacement theology". I had to look that up ... The next week when I saw him I said, "yes, we do (mostly). As this is essentially most of what Paul wrote about in the Christian Greek scriptures - especially Romans and Hebrews." He looked at me like I had blasphemed. And we agreed to disagree. 

 

You know, it's hard to get past the passage in Romans 11 about replacing Jews with gentiles.

Ah yes the replacement theology... 

 

The apostle Paul under inspiration also reasons in Romans 11...

 

23. And they also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them back in.

 

24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much more will these who are natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!

 

Mass conversion of Jews to Christianity? No the context of Romans 11:26 refers to spiritual Israel. 

 

I love this study note:

and in this manner all Israel will be saved: 

 

That is, all spiritual Israel, “the Israel of God.” (Ga 6:16; Ro 2:29) God’s purpose is to have 144,000 spiritualIsraelites in a saved condition and ruling with His Son in heaven.

 

That purpose will be fulfilled “in this manner,” namely, by figuratively grafting in branches from the “wild olive” to fulfill God’s purpose to have his “garden olive tree” full of productive branches. (Ro 11:17-25; Re 7:4; 14:1, 3)

 

This involved admitting Gentile Christians to be part of spiritual Israel. Some favor rendering the Greek expression at the beginning of the verse “and then” or “and in the end,” but the rendering “and in this manner” is supported by many lexicons and other Bible translations. 

Edited 6 minutes ago by Landon1285
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