Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Shawnster]

43 minutes ago, JennyM said:

So oil prices will go back to normal? And I cant imagine king of the south looks defeated in this war? Hes the king. 

 

Depends on how it was spun. What the PR machine says. Trump will claim victory regardless. 

 

I don't recall what the stated goal of this war was. If it was to remove Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons, then it was a success, no? The United States never claimed the goal was to invade and take over the country, did it? 

 

46 minutes ago, JennyM said:

I cant imagine king of the south looks defeated in this war? Hes the king. 

 

Why not? Do you think these kings must win every war they fight? Where does the Bible say this? 

 

Russia is King of the North. He's also a king. Yet looks like he's loosing the war in Ukraine. Or, at least, that war isn't going as they hoped. 

 

Some would say the United States lost the Vietnam War. The US was part of the King of the South during that time. Did the US lose being part of the King of the South after that war? 

[Osprey]

Trump had many strong words to say about Nato in the last 24 hours, even stating that he is strongly considering leaving Nato alliance. More of that may come in his upcoming speech. This may all be just harsh rhetoric as usual, or it can be more than that this time... time will tell. UK on the other side is strongly commited to Nato, so it is an interesting split happening here. It is interesting to observe.

[LeolaRootStew]

5 hours ago, JennyM said:

So oil prices will go back to normal? And I cant imagine king of the south looks defeated in this war? Hes the king. 

 

The US has "looked" defeated in almost every war in the Middle East. Kings can lose - it means nothing.

[LeolaRootStew]

5 hours ago, Allabord4Jah said:

So did Satan try to pull a fast one by causing division among the Anglo/American World Power?  Sort of break up the partnership?  Now their sick and ailing King invited to White House to appease the situation, under the disguise of the 250th anniversary  of this nation?

 

 

Since the dual world power is represented by iron and clay, creating division between them would seem to reinforce that analogy.

[Shawnster]

5 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The US has "looked" defeated in almost every war in the Middle East. Kings can lose - it means nothing.

 

 

[trottigy]

Don't we already know what President Trump was going to say? He's going to tell us that land invasion has begun and then he's going to lay out what that land invasion is going to accomplish. At least that's my guess.

[Sofia]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/03/1167232

 

The United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday adopted a landmark resolution to strengthen how UN mandates - the decisions taken by Member States that guide the Organisation’s work - are created, implemented and reviewed across the system.
 

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, trottigy said:

Don't we already know what President Trump was going to say? He's going to tell us that land invasion has begun and then he's going to lay out what that land invasion is going to accomplish. At least that's my guess.

 

On that note 

https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/31/politics/strait-of-hormuz-open-trump?cid=android_app

 

President Donald Trump and his administration increasingly believe that they can’t promise to reopen the Strait of Hormuz as a prerequisite to declaring “mission accomplished” in the war with Iran, sources familiar with the discussions tell CNN.

[Dhanyel]

Have a wonderful Memorial for all of you. Let’s take some time to reflect on everything Jehovah has done for us, including the ransom. See you soon—stay well and safe.🌷🩵

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, trottigy said:

Don't we already know what President Trump was going to say? He's going to tell us that land invasion has begun and then he's going to lay out what that land invasion is going to accomplish. At least that's my guess.

 

Trump’s address: President Donald Trump used familiar talking points in his first address to the nation on the Iran war, telling Americans the war is “nearing completion” and projected another two or three weeks of involvement. However, Trump signaled that the US is prepared to intensity its military response in the remaining time period and threatened to bring Iran “back to the stone ages.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/webview/2026/04/01/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-oil?cid=android_app

[eliaseje]

11 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

Depends on how it was spun. What the PR machine says. Trump will claim victory regardless. 

 

I don't recall what the stated goal of this war was. If it was to remove Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons, then it was a success, no? The United States never claimed the goal was to invade and take over the country, did it? 

 

 

Why not? Do you think these kings must win every war they fight? Where does the Bible say this? 

 

Russia is King of the North. He's also a king. Yet looks like he's loosing the war in Ukraine. Or, at least, that war isn't going as they hoped. 

 

Some would say the United States lost the Vietnam War. The US was part of the King of the South during that time. Did the US lose being part of the King of the South after that war? 

I dont think she was saying that a king must win every fight...but think of it this way...how can someone remain a king if they are defeated? Or for example a football game....would you say that the team that was defeated are looked at as the champions? The U.S. wont be defeated as they are apart of the last world power.

[Shawnster]

55 minutes ago, eliaseje said:

Or for example a football game....would you say that the team that was defeated are looked at as the champions?

 

2026 NFL Champions Seattle Seahawks lost 3 games in the regular season. 

 

The Bible does not say the Kings of the North and South must win every war they engage in. They are kings, or world powers because they are the most dominant nations (or allied nations) on Earth at this time.  The US not achieving its military objectives (whatever those are) in Iraq won't suddenly topple the US/UK from its position of dominance. It's not like Iraq is suddenly going to be a superpower. 

 

Plus, as absolutely horrible as this current situ is, it's not the type of war that results in the loser fading in obscurity. The US was never planning on taking over Iraq and ruling it. Likewise, Iraq is never going to defeat the United States. It might resist, but won't defeat. 

 

55 minutes ago, eliaseje said:

how can someone remain a king if they are defeated? 

 

You yourself said it. A king does not need to win every fight. 

 

Tell me this, what, exactly, would a US victory look like? 

Edited 8 hours ago by Shawnster

[Dages]

Losing a battle isn't losing the war. 

[JennyM]

5 hours ago, eliaseje said:

I dont think she was saying that a king must win every fight...but think of it this way...how can someone remain a king if they are defeated? Or for example a football game....would you say that the team that was defeated are looked at as the champions? The U.S. wont be defeated as they are apart of the last world power.

True.. if a king always loses the battle he  should not stay a king.. .. 

[JennyM]

4 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

2026 NFL Champions Seattle Seahawks lost 3 games in the regular season. 

 

The Bible does not say the Kings of the North and South must win every war they engage in. They are kings, or world powers because they are the most dominant nations (or allied nations) on Earth at this time.  The US not achieving its military objectives (whatever those are) in Iraq won't suddenly topple the US/UK from its position of dominance. It's not like Iraq is suddenly going to be a superpower. 

 

Plus, as absolutely horrible as this current situ is, it's not the type of war that results in the loser fading in obscurity. The US was never planning on taking over Iraq and ruling it. Likewise, Iraq is never going to defeat the United States. It might resist, but won't defeat. 

 

 

You yourself said it. A king does not need to win every fight. 

 

Tell me this, what, exactly, would a US victory look like? 

US won the war against Spain in the Philippines.. 

[GodlyDevotion]

2 hours ago, JennyM said:

True.. if a king always loses the battle he  should not stay a king.. .. 

No, not quite. There were many world powers in the past that lost wars and were still dominant. 
 

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Ancient Greece, Roman Empire, have all faced terrible defeats while still maintaining world dominance. 
 

We cannot use wars as the only measuring stick for global dominance. Also, the United States is not the only absolute king of the south. It’s UK/US (the Anglo-American world powers). 
 

The UK has a great deal of influence in transnational capital. In fact, it is the largest trading hub in the world. The US has the most powerful military in the world. I don’t think that will change. 
 

However, I am also reminded of Revelation 17:12-14. Ten Kings will receive authority for one hour. Here is a snippet of the Revelation Book, “Hence, in the first century, the ‘ten horns had not yet received a kingdom.’ But now in the Lord’s day, they have “a kingdom,” or political authority.”

 

We don’t know who they are. If I am to guess, I would say France, China, Japan, etc. There is a lot we don’t know about power struggles in the final part of the last days. 

 

[GodlyDevotion]

Also, take Lloyd’s of London for example.  A huge portion of global shipping contracts use English law.
 

Shipping doesn’t move without insurance. And that’s where Lloyd’s of London comes into the picture. It is a global hub for maritime insurance. They cover oil tankers and war risks (very important for straits like Hormuz). 

Whoever insures the ship has leverage over global trade. So, the United States is not the absolute world power. 

[cme]

I wish this would all wrap up soon.  It is getting worse as days go by.  DAYS not years anymore.  Interestingly, there are still people to reach.  There are those still responding, looking, wondering, asking.

 

I found a beautiful young couple at a  door to door service day and, she has this 2 year old little girl that looks like my oldest daughter when she was that age.

 

Anyways, I took a sister about this persons age and introduce her to the householder.  They got along so well that I past the call to her and her husband.

 

My husband asked me why did I give her away?  ........I think because she's much younger than myself and, I'm trying in all ways to not fit the mold of a mother status and they be turned off.  Its a different generation so.....I fit them in with the right generation?   Does that make sense?   Well.....its my reasoning anyways.  I want them to have a chance and..... speaking with those of their own age might make the difference.  That is my imperfect thought.

Edited 1 hour ago by cme