Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Tortuga]

2 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

This is when the UN becomes the "8th king". It will be given the power and authority to destroy false religion. That power comes from the nations temporarily giving it that authority.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2022480#h=21:0-22:0

 

Is there any information that shows that the UN won't receive that power and authority before the declaration of P&S?

Edited August 29 by Tortuga

[Doug]

4 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Is there any information that shows that the UN won't receive that power and authority before the declaration of P&S?

 

So, you're thinking P&S will happen and then the nations hand their sovereign authority to the UN?

 

That may help us understand why the nations cede their sovereign authority to the UN temporarily. 

And then the UN miss-uses their new power and destroys BtG.

[Doug]

4 hours ago, WD-40 said:

Say - did you use to own a Douglas Aircraft model DC-3 that was parked in the hangar at Idyllwild Airport ?

 

Trick question, right?     Idyllwild ~ hangar ~ airport   

 

We do have a bus stop!

[Tortuga]

6 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

So, you're thinking P&S will happen and then the nations hand their sovereign authority to the UN?

 

That may help us understand why the nations cede their sovereign authority to the UN temporarily. 

And then the UN miss-uses their new power and destroys BtG.

No, since we don't know the exact sequence of events, I wonder if the nations give more power and authority to the UN and that is why they declare P&S, then sometime after that the newly empowered UN destroys BtG.

 

Is there anything that says that the nations won't give authority to the UN first, then everything else happens?

Edited August 29 by Tortuga

[Ahuvah]

Just now, Tortuga said:

No, since we don't know the exact sequence of events, I wonder if the nations give more power and authority to the UN and that is why they declare P&S, then sometime after that the newly empowered UN destroys BtG.

With the caveat that religion MAY be part of the P & S cry/proclamation/statement ... whatever form it takes.

[fix it shop]

9 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

Trick question, right?     Idyllwild ~ hangar ~ airport   

 

We do have a bus stop!

[fix it shop]

17 hours ago, Doug said:

 

Trick question, right?     Idyllwild ~ hangar ~ airport   

 

We do have a bus stop!

Radar located your DC-3 at Kennedy Airport runway three niner Roger  

[trottigy]

17 hours ago, Tortuga said:

No, since we don't know the exact sequence of events, I wonder if the nations give more power and authority to the UN and that is why they declare P&S, then sometime after that the newly empowered UN destroys BtG.

 

Is there anything that says that the nations won't give authority to the UN first, then everything else happens?

 

That sounds reasonable .....

 

But, will these self serving nations voluntarily give up power just to give it up? Wouldn't it take some powerful reason to motivate them - especially since several of these nations would be worried about that power being used against them?

[trottigy]

 

 

Quote

The United Nations has condemned the seizure by the Houthis of its Human Rights Office in the Yemeni capital Sanaa.

 

Storming the office earlier this month, the Houthis seized documents, furniture and vehicles, a senior UN official reported on Tuesday.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/13/houthis-storm-un-office-in-yemen-seize-documents-and-assets

 

Speakng of the UN and their "power". They couldn't even stop their assets from being taken in Yemen.

[Tortuga]

17 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

That sounds reasonable .....

 

But, will these self serving nations voluntarily give up power just to give it up? Wouldn't it take some powerful reason to motivate them - especially since several of these nations would be worried about that power being used against them?

We know it will happen, we just don't know when, how or why. It just seems reasonable that Jehovah will maneuver things so that the world leaders see a reason for a global entity like the UN to have the authority it needs to provide a global P&S, even if they think it is a temporary authority. The world leaders, religious leaders and the UN announce they finally have the means to provide P&S, then Jehovah puts it in their hearts to turn on BTG.

[Tortuga]

It's just my opinion and I am asking for a scriptural reason to refute it, but it seems reasonable to me that we should not be looking at the current efforts to bring peace to the individual wars in the world, we should be looking at their failure. Their failure to make progress is a leading indicator that a bigger solution is needed.

 

At some point the world leaders decide that their individual efforts are not working, and they decide to use a global agency to bring P&S. Once they give more power, authority and support to the UN, they declare they finally have a global solution in place and the UN will bring P&S to the world. Famous last words. 

[computerwiz]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

It's just my opinion and I am asking for a scriptural reason to refute it, but it seems reasonable to me that we should not be looking at the current efforts to bring peace to the individual wars in the world, we should be looking at their failure. Their failure to make progress is a leading indicator that a bigger solution is needed.

 

At some point the world leaders decide that their individual efforts are not working, and they decide to use a global agency to bring P&S. Once they give more power, authority and support to the UN, they declare they finally have a global solution in place and the UN will bring P&S to the world. Famous last words. 

 

[fix it shop]

32 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

 

 

34 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

 

    

[Bruceq]

Strengthening the United Nations

Currently the United Nations is ineffective as the Ukrainian president mentioned [News headline: “Zelenskyy rips the UN as ineffective”] and it has done absolutely nothing since both opposing camps [King of North and South] are a part of the security council. Also, the Israeli Government made this statement: “Today is a day that will go down in infamy. We have all witnessed that the UN no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. The majority of the international community has shown that it prefers to support the defense of Nazi terrorists rather than support the law-abiding state of Israel to defend it’s civilians.”

 [The 5 permanent members with veto power are United States, United Kingdom and France on one side and Russia, China on the other.] But somehow things will change. The nations will be forced to give power and authority to the United Nations and reform it if the wars continue to escalate and perhaps reach a critical juncture like the use of nuclear weapons or other countries showing aggression may precipitate this need.}

“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings [not a minority but a majority] who have not yet received a kingdom [as veto members of the Security Council], but they do receive authority as kings for one hour [short time] with the wild beast.  These have one thought [to prevent wars like Ukraine/Middle East and bring peace and security], so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.” [Rev. 17:12,13].

Ten means completeness. Therefore, it appears that a complete number [majority] or all the regions [countries] that are not yet represented in the Security Council of the U.N. [those responsible for maintaining peace and security] will be given that authority. Rather than just the ineffective big 5, all member nations will be represented equally with the same power and authority thus with veto power as represented in the Security Council as the current 5 members of the Security Council. The world is made up of 6 major regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, N. and S. America and Oceania. Of the 5 current permanent members one is in Asia, 3 in Europe and one in N. America. In order for the U.N. to be more inclusive and representative of all the world the other areas would have to be represented. That is members from Africa, S. America and Oceania on the Security Council as permanent members. Then it could be said that “all” of the “ten” kings who “have not yet received a kingdom” as part of the Security Council will receive authority in the United Nations Security Council and thus receive a kingdom.

“If we conclude that the ten horns represent all sovereign states, small and large, then the diadem, or crown, on each horn shows that each nation rules concurrently with the primary political power of the time”. Jw.org 

From GIS report online:

• The Security Council is not effective in dealing with big international crises
• Calls for reforming the body have grown louder since the war in Ukraine 
• Big powers block radical change but expanding the council is possible 

 

“September 2022 remarks to the UN General Assembly. The U.S. president said: 

Members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, should consistently uphold and defend the UN Charter and … refrain from the use of the veto, except in rare, extraordinary situations, to ensure that the council remains credible and effective. …[T]he United States [FALSE PROPHET] supports increasing the number of both permanent and non-permanent representatives of the council. This includes permanent seats for those nations we’ve long supported and permanent seats for countries in Africa [and] Latin America and the Caribbean. The United States is committed to this vital work. [Thus all regions {10 kings} will be given a kingdom with the wild beast]. No country in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America or the Caribbean has the permanent members’ crucial veto power.

The Security Council is the United Nations’ most powerful organ, charged by the UN Charter with primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. To fulfill this responsibility, the charter grants the council broad authority to intervene to resolve disputes, including initiating investigations and seeking solutions through negotiation, mediation or other peaceful measures. 

The council is empowered to take additional measures to address crises threatening international peace and security. They include applying sanctions and approving the use of force necessary to restore peace. UN member states are obligated under its charter to “accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.” 

Thus, when Babylon the Great is attacked notice the sequence of events in its destruction noted at Revelation 17:16,17: “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.” [1. Hatred, 2. Devastated Naked, 3. Eat Flesh, 4. Burn.]. Somehow religious organizations will threaten peace and security, which will make the U.N. apply sanctions and the use of force against religious organizations. All member states [10 horns] are obligated whether they agree or not to accept and carry out the combined decision against religious organizations by the Security Council of the United Nations. [Wild Beast]. Revelation 18:9,10 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. [Results of the destruction].  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!” In other words, these nations as part of the United Nations are obligated to destroy religious organizations even though they may not agree ethically or legally and thus many will “weep.”

The radical reform advocated by countries like Brazil, Germany, India, Japan or South Africa – a council broadening and adding permanent seats with veto power – remains theoretically possible. However, a yet-unseen regional coordination would be needed for it to materialize, as well as a geopolitical change alleviating [less severe issue – Peace and Security] the security concerns of the current permanent members.” {gisreportsonline.com/r/security-council-reform/}. Nov. 18, 2022. Thus, a pronounced reason to strengthen the U.N. Therefore, it is possible that a geopolitical change toward peace and security may come first in order to expand the council at the U.N. and then the attack on religious organizations. Peace and security then sudden destruction.

 

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

            STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                       I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

OR

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

 

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

From PBS newshour: “The time has come for this institution to become more inclusive so that it can better respond to the needs of today’s world,” Joe Biden told the General Assembly… Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the Ukraine war proves that “a reform of the U.N. is essential if we are to find world peace.”

[“Inclusive” – Personal rights responding to All nations, All people regardless of race, gender identity, LGBTQ, abortion issues…]

And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country “will continue to underline that `the world is bigger than five.'” {pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-impeding-the-long-advocated-growth-of-the-u-n-security-council}.

“A world that is more diverse, that is more globalized, interconnected, there is need for the council to be democratized for representation based on geography.” [CNN Aug. 2024 “The new fight to reform the UN’s colonial-era world order”]

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security. Or a proclamation of peace and security then a strengthening of the Security Council of the U.N.

“Soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented [never done or known before] power and authority". [2022 Drama].

 

From Revelation Climax book: “Again Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought [to destroy religion], even to carry out their one thought [to add members to Security Council] by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” (Revelation 17:17) What is God’s “thought”? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together [members of U.N. are obligated to carry out the decisions of the Security Council], in order to [legally] destroy her completely. Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own “one thought.” [By adding members that give it teeth] They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty. But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34. Somehow they will have to act unitedly so one faction will not stop the other from fulfilling prophecy as Jehovah is maneuvering the events to his will. [Or a majority vote from the enlarged Security Council of the U.N. most of which will be against religious organizations or institutions].....

[fix it shop]

4 minutes ago, Bruceq said:

Strengthening the United Nations

Currently the United Nations is ineffective as the Ukrainian president mentioned [News headline: “Zelenskyy rips the UN as ineffective”] and it has done absolutely nothing since both opposing camps [King of North and South] are a part of the security council. Also, the Israeli Government made this statement: “Today is a day that will go down in infamy. We have all witnessed that the UN no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. The majority of the international community has shown that it prefers to support the defense of Nazi terrorists rather than support the law-abiding state of Israel to defend it’s civilians.”

 [The 5 permanent members with veto power are United States, United Kingdom and France on one side and Russia, China on the other.] But somehow things will change. The nations will be forced to give power and authority to the United Nations and reform it if the wars continue to escalate and perhaps reach a critical juncture like the use of nuclear weapons or other countries showing aggression may precipitate this need.}

“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings [not a minority but a majority] who have not yet received a kingdom [as veto members of the Security Council], but they do receive authority as kings for one hour [short time] with the wild beast.  These have one thought [to prevent wars like Ukraine/Middle East and bring peace and security], so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.” [Rev. 17:12,13].

Ten means completeness. Therefore, it appears that a complete number [majority] or all the regions [countries] that are not yet represented in the Security Council of the U.N. [those responsible for maintaining peace and security] will be given that authority. Rather than just the ineffective big 5, all member nations will be represented equally with the same power and authority thus with veto power as represented in the Security Council as the current 5 members of the Security Council. The world is made up of 6 major regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, N. and S. America and Oceania. Of the 5 current permanent members one is in Asia, 3 in Europe and one in N. America. In order for the U.N. to be more inclusive and representative of all the world the other areas would have to be represented. That is members from Africa, S. America and Oceania on the Security Council as permanent members. Then it could be said that “all” of the “ten” kings who “have not yet received a kingdom” as part of the Security Council will receive authority in the United Nations Security Council and thus receive a kingdom.

“If we conclude that the ten horns represent all sovereign states, small and large, then the diadem, or crown, on each horn shows that each nation rules concurrently with the primary political power of the time”. Jw.org 

From GIS report online:

• The Security Council is not effective in dealing with big international crises
• Calls for reforming the body have grown louder since the war in Ukraine 
• Big powers block radical change but expanding the council is possible 

 

“September 2022 remarks to the UN General Assembly. The U.S. president said: 

Members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, should consistently uphold and defend the UN Charter and … refrain from the use of the veto, except in rare, extraordinary situations, to ensure that the council remains credible and effective. …[T]he United States [FALSE PROPHET] supports increasing the number of both permanent and non-permanent representatives of the council. This includes permanent seats for those nations we’ve long supported and permanent seats for countries in Africa [and] Latin America and the Caribbean. The United States is committed to this vital work. [Thus all regions {10 kings} will be given a kingdom with the wild beast]. No country in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America or the Caribbean has the permanent members’ crucial veto power.

The Security Council is the United Nations’ most powerful organ, charged by the UN Charter with primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. To fulfill this responsibility, the charter grants the council broad authority to intervene to resolve disputes, including initiating investigations and seeking solutions through negotiation, mediation or other peaceful measures. 

The council is empowered to take additional measures to address crises threatening international peace and security. They include applying sanctions and approving the use of force necessary to restore peace. UN member states are obligated under its charter to “accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.” 

Thus, when Babylon the Great is attacked notice the sequence of events in its destruction noted at Revelation 17:16,17: “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.” [1. Hatred, 2. Devastated Naked, 3. Eat Flesh, 4. Burn.]. Somehow religious organizations will threaten peace and security, which will make the U.N. apply sanctions and the use of force against religious organizations. All member states [10 horns] are obligated whether they agree or not to accept and carry out the combined decision against religious organizations by the Security Council of the United Nations. [Wild Beast]. Revelation 18:9,10 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. [Results of the destruction].  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!” In other words, these nations as part of the United Nations are obligated to destroy religious organizations even though they may not agree ethically or legally and thus many will “weep.”

The radical reform advocated by countries like Brazil, Germany, India, Japan or South Africa – a council broadening and adding permanent seats with veto power – remains theoretically possible. However, a yet-unseen regional coordination would be needed for it to materialize, as well as a geopolitical change alleviating [less severe issue – Peace and Security] the security concerns of the current permanent members.” {gisreportsonline.com/r/security-council-reform/}. Nov. 18, 2022. Thus, a pronounced reason to strengthen the U.N. Therefore, it is possible that a geopolitical change toward peace and security may come first in order to expand the council at the U.N. and then the attack on religious organizations. Peace and security then sudden destruction.

 

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

            STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                       I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

OR

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

 

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

From PBS newshour: “The time has come for this institution to become more inclusive so that it can better respond to the needs of today’s world,” Joe Biden told the General Assembly… Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the Ukraine war proves that “a reform of the U.N. is essential if we are to find world peace.”

[“Inclusive” – Personal rights responding to All nations, All people regardless of race, gender identity, LGBTQ, abortion issues…]

And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country “will continue to underline that `the world is bigger than five.'” {pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-impeding-the-long-advocated-growth-of-the-u-n-security-council}.

“A world that is more diverse, that is more globalized, interconnected, there is need for the council to be democratized for representation based on geography.” [CNN Aug. 2024 “The new fight to reform the UN’s colonial-era world order”]

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security. Or a proclamation of peace and security then a strengthening of the Security Council of the U.N.

“Soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented [never done or known before] power and authority". [2022 Drama].

 

From Revelation Climax book: “Again Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought [to destroy religion], even to carry out their one thought [to add members to Security Council] by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” (Revelation 17:17) What is God’s “thought”? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together [members of U.N. are obligated to carry out the decisions of the Security Council], in order to [legally] destroy her completely. Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own “one thought.” [By adding members that give it teeth] They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty. But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34. Somehow they will have to act unitedly so one faction will not stop the other from fulfilling prophecy as Jehovah is maneuvering the events to his will. [Or a majority vote from the enlarged Security Council of the U.N. most of which will be against religious organizations or institutions].....

   YYYEEESSSSSS !  IT WII BE BROUGHT  ON !!!!!

[Doug]

2 hours ago, Bruceq said:

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

    Sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them                                                                                  I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security.  They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. 

 

I feel this is the scenario based on the words I added above.   1 Thess. 5:3

 

I don't know how many different ways "instantly" can be defined.

 

And it would be completely plausible that the catalyst is their own selfish, nationalistic, interests.  Everything done by human governments is self-serving.

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, Bruceq said:

Strengthening the United Nations

Currently the United Nations is ineffective as the Ukrainian president mentioned [News headline: “Zelenskyy rips the UN as ineffective”] and it has done absolutely nothing since both opposing camps [King of North and South] are a part of the security council. Also, the Israeli Government made this statement: “Today is a day that will go down in infamy. We have all witnessed that the UN no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. The majority of the international community has shown that it prefers to support the defense of Nazi terrorists rather than support the law-abiding state of Israel to defend it’s civilians.”

 [The 5 permanent members with veto power are United States, United Kingdom and France on one side and Russia, China on the other.] But somehow things will change. The nations will be forced to give power and authority to the United Nations and reform it if the wars continue to escalate and perhaps reach a critical juncture like the use of nuclear weapons or other countries showing aggression may precipitate this need.}

“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings [not a minority but a majority] who have not yet received a kingdom [as veto members of the Security Council], but they do receive authority as kings for one hour [short time] with the wild beast.  These have one thought [to prevent wars like Ukraine/Middle East and bring peace and security], so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.” [Rev. 17:12,13].

Ten means completeness. Therefore, it appears that a complete number [majority] or all the regions [countries] that are not yet represented in the Security Council of the U.N. [those responsible for maintaining peace and security] will be given that authority. Rather than just the ineffective big 5, all member nations will be represented equally with the same power and authority thus with veto power as represented in the Security Council as the current 5 members of the Security Council. The world is made up of 6 major regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, N. and S. America and Oceania. Of the 5 current permanent members one is in Asia, 3 in Europe and one in N. America. In order for the U.N. to be more inclusive and representative of all the world the other areas would have to be represented. That is members from Africa, S. America and Oceania on the Security Council as permanent members. Then it could be said that “all” of the “ten” kings who “have not yet received a kingdom” as part of the Security Council will receive authority in the United Nations Security Council and thus receive a kingdom.

“If we conclude that the ten horns represent all sovereign states, small and large, then the diadem, or crown, on each horn shows that each nation rules concurrently with the primary political power of the time”. Jw.org 

From GIS report online:

• The Security Council is not effective in dealing with big international crises
• Calls for reforming the body have grown louder since the war in Ukraine 
• Big powers block radical change but expanding the council is possible 

 

“September 2022 remarks to the UN General Assembly. The U.S. president said: 

Members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, should consistently uphold and defend the UN Charter and … refrain from the use of the veto, except in rare, extraordinary situations, to ensure that the council remains credible and effective. …[T]he United States [FALSE PROPHET] supports increasing the number of both permanent and non-permanent representatives of the council. This includes permanent seats for those nations we’ve long supported and permanent seats for countries in Africa [and] Latin America and the Caribbean. The United States is committed to this vital work. [Thus all regions {10 kings} will be given a kingdom with the wild beast]. No country in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America or the Caribbean has the permanent members’ crucial veto power.

The Security Council is the United Nations’ most powerful organ, charged by the UN Charter with primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. To fulfill this responsibility, the charter grants the council broad authority to intervene to resolve disputes, including initiating investigations and seeking solutions through negotiation, mediation or other peaceful measures. 

The council is empowered to take additional measures to address crises threatening international peace and security. They include applying sanctions and approving the use of force necessary to restore peace. UN member states are obligated under its charter to “accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.” 

Thus, when Babylon the Great is attacked notice the sequence of events in its destruction noted at Revelation 17:16,17: “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.” [1. Hatred, 2. Devastated Naked, 3. Eat Flesh, 4. Burn.]. Somehow religious organizations will threaten peace and security, which will make the U.N. apply sanctions and the use of force against religious organizations. All member states [10 horns] are obligated whether they agree or not to accept and carry out the combined decision against religious organizations by the Security Council of the United Nations. [Wild Beast]. Revelation 18:9,10 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. [Results of the destruction].  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!” In other words, these nations as part of the United Nations are obligated to destroy religious organizations even though they may not agree ethically or legally and thus many will “weep.”

The radical reform advocated by countries like Brazil, Germany, India, Japan or South Africa – a council broadening and adding permanent seats with veto power – remains theoretically possible. However, a yet-unseen regional coordination would be needed for it to materialize, as well as a geopolitical change alleviating [less severe issue – Peace and Security] the security concerns of the current permanent members.” {gisreportsonline.com/r/security-council-reform/}. Nov. 18, 2022. Thus, a pronounced reason to strengthen the U.N. Therefore, it is possible that a geopolitical change toward peace and security may come first in order to expand the council at the U.N. and then the attack on religious organizations. Peace and security then sudden destruction.

 

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

            STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                       I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

OR

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

 

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

From PBS newshour: “The time has come for this institution to become more inclusive so that it can better respond to the needs of today’s world,” Joe Biden told the General Assembly… Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the Ukraine war proves that “a reform of the U.N. is essential if we are to find world peace.”

[“Inclusive” – Personal rights responding to All nations, All people regardless of race, gender identity, LGBTQ, abortion issues…]

And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country “will continue to underline that `the world is bigger than five.'” {pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-impeding-the-long-advocated-growth-of-the-u-n-security-council}.

“A world that is more diverse, that is more globalized, interconnected, there is need for the council to be democratized for representation based on geography.” [CNN Aug. 2024 “The new fight to reform the UN’s colonial-era world order”]

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security. Or a proclamation of peace and security then a strengthening of the Security Council of the U.N.

“Soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented [never done or known before] power and authority". [2022 Drama].

 

From Revelation Climax book: “Again Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought [to destroy religion], even to carry out their one thought [to add members to Security Council] by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” (Revelation 17:17) What is God’s “thought”? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together [members of U.N. are obligated to carry out the decisions of the Security Council], in order to [legally] destroy her completely. Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own “one thought.” [By adding members that give it teeth] They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty. But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34. Somehow they will have to act unitedly so one faction will not stop the other from fulfilling prophecy as Jehovah is maneuvering the events to his will. [Or a majority vote from the enlarged Security Council of the U.N. most of which will be against religious organizations or institutions].....

IT SEEMS quite reasonable... let´s all keep on the watch!!  

[fix it shop]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

 

I feel this is the scenario based on the words I added above.   1 Thess. 5:3

 

I don't know how many different ways "instantly" can be defined.

 

And it would be completely plausible that the catalyst is their own selfish, nationalistic, interests.  Everything done by human governments is self-serving.

Not like self serving ice cream with a waffle cone w/ sprinkles 

[Doug]

10 hours ago, WD-40 said:

Radar located your DC-3 at Kennedy Airport runway three niner Roger  

 

Ah, breaker 1-9

This here's the Rubber Duck

You got a copy on me, come on?

It's clean here to Flag Town, come on.

Yeah, we definitely got the front door, good buddy.

Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy!

Yeah, we got us a great big convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight

Pig Pen this here's the Rubber Duck and I'm about to put the hammer down.

[fix it shop]

1 minute ago, Doug said:

 

Ah, breaker 1-9

This here's the Rubber Duck

You got a copy on me, come on?

It's clean here to Flag Town, come on.

Yeah, we definitely got the front door, good buddy.

Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy!

Yeah, we got us a great big convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight

Pig Pen this here's the Rubber Duck and I'm about to put the hammer down.

Better hold up there - lots of smokies out there , 10-9 ,        10-36 , 10-100 , can I get a radio check , skip is real heavy out there , go to 38 , stand by - break 2-8 , modulatio low - I'll crank up this power mic ,are you running bare foot , uncle Charlie in town ,KADS 3304 CLEAR

[vern]

The blind christain hate is becoming a thing.  The unreasoning goats are manifesting.

[JennyM]

18 hours ago, Bruceq said:

Strengthening the United Nations

Currently the United Nations is ineffective as the Ukrainian president mentioned [News headline: “Zelenskyy rips the UN as ineffective”] and it has done absolutely nothing since both opposing camps [King of North and South] are a part of the security council. Also, the Israeli Government made this statement: “Today is a day that will go down in infamy. We have all witnessed that the UN no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. The majority of the international community has shown that it prefers to support the defense of Nazi terrorists rather than support the law-abiding state of Israel to defend it’s civilians.”

 [The 5 permanent members with veto power are United States, United Kingdom and France on one side and Russia, China on the other.] But somehow things will change. The nations will be forced to give power and authority to the United Nations and reform it if the wars continue to escalate and perhaps reach a critical juncture like the use of nuclear weapons or other countries showing aggression may precipitate this need.}

“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings [not a minority but a majority] who have not yet received a kingdom [as veto members of the Security Council], but they do receive authority as kings for one hour [short time] with the wild beast.  These have one thought [to prevent wars like Ukraine/Middle East and bring peace and security], so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.” [Rev. 17:12,13].

Ten means completeness. Therefore, it appears that a complete number [majority] or all the regions [countries] that are not yet represented in the Security Council of the U.N. [those responsible for maintaining peace and security] will be given that authority. Rather than just the ineffective big 5, all member nations will be represented equally with the same power and authority thus with veto power as represented in the Security Council as the current 5 members of the Security Council. The world is made up of 6 major regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, N. and S. America and Oceania. Of the 5 current permanent members one is in Asia, 3 in Europe and one in N. America. In order for the U.N. to be more inclusive and representative of all the world the other areas would have to be represented. That is members from Africa, S. America and Oceania on the Security Council as permanent members. Then it could be said that “all” of the “ten” kings who “have not yet received a kingdom” as part of the Security Council will receive authority in the United Nations Security Council and thus receive a kingdom.

“If we conclude that the ten horns represent all sovereign states, small and large, then the diadem, or crown, on each horn shows that each nation rules concurrently with the primary political power of the time”. Jw.org 

From GIS report online:

• The Security Council is not effective in dealing with big international crises
• Calls for reforming the body have grown louder since the war in Ukraine 
• Big powers block radical change but expanding the council is possible 

 

“September 2022 remarks to the UN General Assembly. The U.S. president said: 

Members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, should consistently uphold and defend the UN Charter and … refrain from the use of the veto, except in rare, extraordinary situations, to ensure that the council remains credible and effective. …[T]he United States [FALSE PROPHET] supports increasing the number of both permanent and non-permanent representatives of the council. This includes permanent seats for those nations we’ve long supported and permanent seats for countries in Africa [and] Latin America and the Caribbean. The United States is committed to this vital work. [Thus all regions {10 kings} will be given a kingdom with the wild beast]. No country in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America or the Caribbean has the permanent members’ crucial veto power.

The Security Council is the United Nations’ most powerful organ, charged by the UN Charter with primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. To fulfill this responsibility, the charter grants the council broad authority to intervene to resolve disputes, including initiating investigations and seeking solutions through negotiation, mediation or other peaceful measures. 

The council is empowered to take additional measures to address crises threatening international peace and security. They include applying sanctions and approving the use of force necessary to restore peace. UN member states are obligated under its charter to “accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.” 

Thus, when Babylon the Great is attacked notice the sequence of events in its destruction noted at Revelation 17:16,17: “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.” [1. Hatred, 2. Devastated Naked, 3. Eat Flesh, 4. Burn.]. Somehow religious organizations will threaten peace and security, which will make the U.N. apply sanctions and the use of force against religious organizations. All member states [10 horns] are obligated whether they agree or not to accept and carry out the combined decision against religious organizations by the Security Council of the United Nations. [Wild Beast]. Revelation 18:9,10 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. [Results of the destruction].  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!” In other words, these nations as part of the United Nations are obligated to destroy religious organizations even though they may not agree ethically or legally and thus many will “weep.”

The radical reform advocated by countries like Brazil, Germany, India, Japan or South Africa – a council broadening and adding permanent seats with veto power – remains theoretically possible. However, a yet-unseen regional coordination would be needed for it to materialize, as well as a geopolitical change alleviating [less severe issue – Peace and Security] the security concerns of the current permanent members.” {gisreportsonline.com/r/security-council-reform/}. Nov. 18, 2022. Thus, a pronounced reason to strengthen the U.N. Therefore, it is possible that a geopolitical change toward peace and security may come first in order to expand the council at the U.N. and then the attack on religious organizations. Peace and security then sudden destruction.

 

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

            STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                       I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

OR

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

 

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

From PBS newshour: “The time has come for this institution to become more inclusive so that it can better respond to the needs of today’s world,” Joe Biden told the General Assembly… Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the Ukraine war proves that “a reform of the U.N. is essential if we are to find world peace.”

[“Inclusive” – Personal rights responding to All nations, All people regardless of race, gender identity, LGBTQ, abortion issues…]

And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country “will continue to underline that `the world is bigger than five.'” {pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-impeding-the-long-advocated-growth-of-the-u-n-security-council}.

“A world that is more diverse, that is more globalized, interconnected, there is need for the council to be democratized for representation based on geography.” [CNN Aug. 2024 “The new fight to reform the UN’s colonial-era world order”]

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security. Or a proclamation of peace and security then a strengthening of the Security Council of the U.N.

“Soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented [never done or known before] power and authority". [2022 Drama].

 

From Revelation Climax book: “Again Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought [to destroy religion], even to carry out their one thought [to add members to Security Council] by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” (Revelation 17:17) What is God’s “thought”? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together [members of U.N. are obligated to carry out the decisions of the Security Council], in order to [legally] destroy her completely. Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own “one thought.” [By adding members that give it teeth] They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty. But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34. Somehow they will have to act unitedly so one faction will not stop the other from fulfilling prophecy as Jehovah is maneuvering the events to his will. [Or a majority vote from the enlarged Security Council of the U.N. most of which will be against religious organizations or institutions].....

Good thing. No more sufferings then. 

 

Is there any sane person who wants this system? 

 

 

[zoebarry]

20 hours ago, Bruceq said:

Strengthening the United Nations

Currently the United Nations is ineffective as the Ukrainian president mentioned [News headline: “Zelenskyy rips the UN as ineffective”] and it has done absolutely nothing since both opposing camps [King of North and South] are a part of the security council. Also, the Israeli Government made this statement: “Today is a day that will go down in infamy. We have all witnessed that the UN no longer holds even one ounce of legitimacy or relevance. The majority of the international community has shown that it prefers to support the defense of Nazi terrorists rather than support the law-abiding state of Israel to defend it’s civilians.”

 [The 5 permanent members with veto power are United States, United Kingdom and France on one side and Russia, China on the other.] But somehow things will change. The nations will be forced to give power and authority to the United Nations and reform it if the wars continue to escalate and perhaps reach a critical juncture like the use of nuclear weapons or other countries showing aggression may precipitate this need.}

“The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings [not a minority but a majority] who have not yet received a kingdom [as veto members of the Security Council], but they do receive authority as kings for one hour [short time] with the wild beast.  These have one thought [to prevent wars like Ukraine/Middle East and bring peace and security], so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.” [Rev. 17:12,13].

Ten means completeness. Therefore, it appears that a complete number [majority] or all the regions [countries] that are not yet represented in the Security Council of the U.N. [those responsible for maintaining peace and security] will be given that authority. Rather than just the ineffective big 5, all member nations will be represented equally with the same power and authority thus with veto power as represented in the Security Council as the current 5 members of the Security Council. The world is made up of 6 major regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, N. and S. America and Oceania. Of the 5 current permanent members one is in Asia, 3 in Europe and one in N. America. In order for the U.N. to be more inclusive and representative of all the world the other areas would have to be represented. That is members from Africa, S. America and Oceania on the Security Council as permanent members. Then it could be said that “all” of the “ten” kings who “have not yet received a kingdom” as part of the Security Council will receive authority in the United Nations Security Council and thus receive a kingdom.

“If we conclude that the ten horns represent all sovereign states, small and large, then the diadem, or crown, on each horn shows that each nation rules concurrently with the primary political power of the time”. Jw.org 

From GIS report online:

• The Security Council is not effective in dealing with big international crises
• Calls for reforming the body have grown louder since the war in Ukraine 
• Big powers block radical change but expanding the council is possible 

 

“September 2022 remarks to the UN General Assembly. The U.S. president said: 

Members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, should consistently uphold and defend the UN Charter and … refrain from the use of the veto, except in rare, extraordinary situations, to ensure that the council remains credible and effective. …[T]he United States [FALSE PROPHET] supports increasing the number of both permanent and non-permanent representatives of the council. This includes permanent seats for those nations we’ve long supported and permanent seats for countries in Africa [and] Latin America and the Caribbean. The United States is committed to this vital work. [Thus all regions {10 kings} will be given a kingdom with the wild beast]. No country in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America or the Caribbean has the permanent members’ crucial veto power.

The Security Council is the United Nations’ most powerful organ, charged by the UN Charter with primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. To fulfill this responsibility, the charter grants the council broad authority to intervene to resolve disputes, including initiating investigations and seeking solutions through negotiation, mediation or other peaceful measures. 

The council is empowered to take additional measures to address crises threatening international peace and security. They include applying sanctions and approving the use of force necessary to restore peace. UN member states are obligated under its charter to “accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council.” 

Thus, when Babylon the Great is attacked notice the sequence of events in its destruction noted at Revelation 17:16,17: “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast.” [1. Hatred, 2. Devastated Naked, 3. Eat Flesh, 4. Burn.]. Somehow religious organizations will threaten peace and security, which will make the U.N. apply sanctions and the use of force against religious organizations. All member states [10 horns] are obligated whether they agree or not to accept and carry out the combined decision against religious organizations by the Security Council of the United Nations. [Wild Beast]. Revelation 18:9,10 says: “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. [Results of the destruction].  They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!” In other words, these nations as part of the United Nations are obligated to destroy religious organizations even though they may not agree ethically or legally and thus many will “weep.”

The radical reform advocated by countries like Brazil, Germany, India, Japan or South Africa – a council broadening and adding permanent seats with veto power – remains theoretically possible. However, a yet-unseen regional coordination would be needed for it to materialize, as well as a geopolitical change alleviating [less severe issue – Peace and Security] the security concerns of the current permanent members.” {gisreportsonline.com/r/security-council-reform/}. Nov. 18, 2022. Thus, a pronounced reason to strengthen the U.N. Therefore, it is possible that a geopolitical change toward peace and security may come first in order to expand the council at the U.N. and then the attack on religious organizations. Peace and security then sudden destruction.

 

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

            STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

                                                                                       I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

OR

                          

STREGNTHEN UNITED NATIONS [their one thought]

 

                                                                                      I

PEACE AND SECURITY

                                                                                      I

                 ATTACK FALSE RELIGION GREAT TRIBULATION [God’s thought]

 

From PBS newshour: “The time has come for this institution to become more inclusive so that it can better respond to the needs of today’s world,” Joe Biden told the General Assembly… Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said the Ukraine war proves that “a reform of the U.N. is essential if we are to find world peace.”

[“Inclusive” – Personal rights responding to All nations, All people regardless of race, gender identity, LGBTQ, abortion issues…]

And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country “will continue to underline that `the world is bigger than five.'” {pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-impeding-the-long-advocated-growth-of-the-u-n-security-council}.

“A world that is more diverse, that is more globalized, interconnected, there is need for the council to be democratized for representation based on geography.” [CNN Aug. 2024 “The new fight to reform the UN’s colonial-era world order”]

Thus, a strengthening of the Security Council by adding voting members would be the catalyst to saying “peace and security” since that body is the one responsible for maintaining international peace and security. Or a proclamation of peace and security then a strengthening of the Security Council of the U.N.

“Soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented [never done or known before] power and authority". [2022 Drama].

 

From Revelation Climax book: “Again Jehovah uses human rulers in executing judgment. “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought [to destroy religion], even to carry out their one thought [to add members to Security Council] by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” (Revelation 17:17) What is God’s “thought”? To arrange for the executioners of Babylon the Great to band together [members of U.N. are obligated to carry out the decisions of the Security Council], in order to [legally] destroy her completely. Of course, the rulers’ motive in attacking her will be to carry out their own “one thought.” [By adding members that give it teeth] They will feel that it is in their nationalistic interests to turn upon the great harlot. They may come to view the continued existence of organized religion within their boundaries as a threat to their sovereignty. But Jehovah will actually be maneuvering matters; they will carry out his thought by destroying his age-old, adulterous enemy at one stroke!—Compare Jeremiah 7:8-11, 34. Somehow they will have to act unitedly so one faction will not stop the other from fulfilling prophecy as Jehovah is maneuvering the events to his will. [Or a majority vote from the enlarged Security Council of the U.N. most of which will be against religious organizations or institutions].....

can you please post the references for this summary? Or is this your own personal interpretation of what is going to happen?

[feebee]

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/07/un-summit-future-sdgs/#:~:text=The United Nations' Summit of,Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

 

I wonder if the UN Summit of the Future held later this month will achieve anything. 

[fix it shop]

1 hour ago, feebee said:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/07/un-summit-future-sdgs/#:~:text=The United Nations' Summit of,Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

 

I wonder if the UN Summit of the Future held later this month will achieve anything. 

They might look good and talk good but when the camera and microphone are off and "off the air" then things could go a little crazy !!!