Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, trottigy said:

this doesn’t mean the war is over. The Ukrainians have to accept whatever condition is offered. They might even get more help from Europe to fight even longer. So, not having the Ukrainians involved in the peace process doesn't make any sense to me. 

You are perfectly right, I was listening to interviews from Ukraine and they said they will keep fighting to regain territory lost or get good deal, because to give in to Russia would be "offence" to those who lost lives in the war. So there is a lot of layers to what is happening now... a lot.

[New World Explorer]

On 2/17/2025 at 3:07 AM, Michał said:

Jehovah could put one thought into the world leaders right away but apparently he decided to to give us some time to prepare for GT and yo reach even more people with good news.

Jehovah set the day long time ago, fully aware how last days will unfold. 🙂

[Áine]

4 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Jehovah set the day long time ago, fully aware how last days will unfold. 🙂

I was thinking the same thing today.. the only ones with prior knowledge are Jehovah and Jesus, for a very good reason!

[Richie]

9 hours ago, Tronora said:

Could the clay be Europe and the iron be USA? Is it sooner than we think? Just struck me.

 

Probably not.

 

UN being given greater power sounds more logical than ever.

 

Oh, my head is spinning. Can't think about this too much.

 

They talk about peace. Must it be a declaration?

 

And what about false religion??!

 

I never bother with the news, but now? Update, update   Exciting times anyway.

At least their actions make our expectations more clearer

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, trottigy said:

Meanwhile, I just keep praying for the Kingdom to come and Jehovah to take full control of all Earth's governmental affairs.

Me too 

several times a day

it feels so close now 

[Doug]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

 So there is a lot of layers to what is happening now... a lot.

 

I saw a headline that said Trump is determined to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Obama received it.  But why?

[Cool.As.Ice]

3 hours ago, trottigy said:

Ukrainians have to accept whatever condition is offered. They might even get more help from Europe to fight even longer.

Reminds me of this right here:

 

 

 

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

(Daniel 11:27) 27 “As regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to do what is bad, and they will sit at one table speaking lies to each other. But nothing will succeed, because the end is yet for the time appointed.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=27011027&srcid=share

 

There are some reasons why I have shared these points. When I have more time, I will go into a lot more detail.

Edited yesterday at 02:06 AM by Cool.As.Ice

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

 

I saw a headline that said Trump is determined to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Obama received it.  But why?

I think several facts about Obama N.Prize are here https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/

[trottigy]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

 

I saw a headline that said Trump is determined to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Obama received it.  But why?

 

I never thought of Trump as being jealous of Obama. Interesting.

 

Anyway, this will be interesting to see what if anything these actions lead to next.

[Doug]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

I think several facts about Obama N.Prize are here https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/

 

Eight months on the job .

 

I would like to know who the runner-up was. Or the other nominees.  That would shine a light on whether the Nobel committee is credible with their decisions.  But, it's there's to give it away  .   .   so, who cares if it's legit.

[JennyM]

4 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

(Daniel 11:27) 27 “As regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to do what is bad, and they will sit at one table speaking lies to each other. But nothing will succeed, because the end is yet for the time appointed.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=27011027&srcid=share

 

There are some reasons why I have shared these points. When I have more time, I will go into a lot more detail.

perfectly quoted for coming trump-putin peace talk 

[Exter]

18 hours ago, Tronora said:

Could the clay be Europe and the iron be USA? 

Dear Sister, i think this in all the Years from the year of my baptism, 1961, and studying the prophecies about the world powers that came into contact with God's people, as well as the governments and their opponents, I have been of the following opinion or view: The iron parts of the statue, especially the toes, were the respective governments. The parts of clay were and are the oppositional parts that fought against the ruling governments.  

 

[Michał]

Jehovah set the day long time ago, fully aware how last days will unfold. 

Yes, of course. I was taking about looking for it ftom human perspective.

The situation has been so unstable recently that we can feel it’s close.


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[Thomas Walker]

The UN has everything set up. Climate Accords. Human Rights Courts. Even the Geneva Conventions. But all the members of the UN ignore these laws whenever it suits them, because there are no consequences to doing so.

 

The European Powers are meeting to discuss their 'response' to what's going on in the KotS. Turning to the UN would make sense. It would give them political weight (and cover) if the 'world' was united on the subject. But giving the UN some teeth is a direct act of Divine Influence. Politicians never make a Law, an Army, or Oversight that they themselves are subject to.

[Cool.As.Ice]

Time for a history lesson, folks.

Sorry for the late reply, I was indisposed lol.

 

But here are some important facts I have thought about very carefully past few days:

 

The man I posted the pic of a few posts above is Sir Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister before Winston Churchill.

 

He said that quote (see about 9 or so posts above) after he had met with Hitler during the Munich Conference of 1938. It turned out to be one of the most empty statements of all time, as WWII broke out barely a year later.

 

These will be some long posts, so I will break it up into bite-size, manageable parts.

[trottigy]

Quote

"Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a country left," US President Donald Trump says in a post on Truth Social.

 

Labelling Zelensky "a dictator", Trump writes: "I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job, his country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died."

 

Trump says in the meantime, the US is "successfully negotiating an end to the war with Russia".

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c62e2158mkpt

 

This doesn't look like a quick end to the war is near.

[Cool.As.Ice]

18 hours ago, trottigy said:

The Ukrainians have to accept whatever condition is offered. They might even get more help from Europe to fight even longer. So, not having the Ukrainians involved in the peace process doesn't make any sense to me.        

It was these points Jerry brought out earlier that made me think of that time. It is sort of ironical, because very similar things happened a long time ago.

 

Ill explain as simply as I can:

 

The issue involved Nazi Germany under you-know-who, and Czechoslovakia under President Edvard Benes. It involved a German-speaking territory called the Sudetenland, which was a strip of land inside the modern-day Czech Republic on the German border.

 

Hitler claimed that the Germans were being abused and targeted by the Czech govt and demanded they hand the area over or he would declare war and march in. The Czechs initially refused to give in, they relied on treaties they had with Britain and France to help protect them, they expect their Allie’s to stand up for them.

 

So a conference was called to discuss the matter in the fall of 1938. There, despite their treaties with Czechoslovakia, Chamberlain and French Prime Minister Edouard Daladier believed Hitler’s lies that the Sudetenland was  all he wanted, and that after taking it, he had no more territorial demands. Besides, he only wanted to protect the German minority from persecution.

 

So, with NO Czech representatives present, and WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, Britain and France simply caved to Hitler’s demands under the policy of appeasement (let’s just give him what he wants, he seems like a nice, reasonable fellow), and demanded the Czechs give up the borderlands.

 

Those treaties each had made with Czechoslovakia were worth absolutely nothing more than the pieces of paper they were printed on. These guarantees were totally worthless, as in the end, Britain and France had completely failed their end of the deal and betrayed their ally.

 

After Germany took the borderlands, they easily goose-marched into Prague the next spring and absorbed the Czech Republic, with Slovakia becoming a puppet state.

 

Now I’m shortly going to get to the modern similarities in my next post. You guys will have to excuse me, it might be a little while, since I’m getting ready for work, but later I want to get more into why I chose this example; I still have some more points to make.

 

You can read more about it here:

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/munich1.asp

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/appeasement-and-peace-our-time
 

Edited yesterday at 04:37 PM by Cool.As.Ice

[BLEmom]

NATO seems to be freaking out. The prelude to these old alliances could lead to them looking to revamp alliances for world peace. 

 

 

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

In my final post on this subject, let’s take a look at the present and see where we are headed:

 

1) Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 after holding a “referendum” and incorporated it into the country, while at the same time fomenting unrest in Ukraine’s Russian-speaking east, giving the rebel fighters supplies and weapons, all in the name of “protecting” the Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine.  
The West did nothing more than protest and slap some sanctions.

2) When Russia invaded Ukraine, KotS was not so much interested in saving Ukraine as they were in weakening Russia:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/russia-weakedend-lloyd-austin-ukraine
 

3)The support KotS gave Ukraine was not as “ironclad” as the world leaders said. They gave Ukraine only enough to hang on, not to inflict decisive defeat on Russia. These “allies” have used Ukraine as nothing more than a political football, a tool to fight a proxy war against KotN. These security guarantees, (1994 Budapest Memorandum, for example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum) like the one made with Czechoslovakia by England and France have proven to be completely worthless.

 

4) And now with about 1/5 of Ukraine’s land occupied, Trump is now appearing to push them to accept a deal with Putin. KotS has just met with representatives of KotN without any Ukrainian or EU representatives. Sound familiar?

 

In conclusion: history is repeating itself, and it’s clear that the prophecy @ Daniel 11:27 is accurate. These men might appear to be looking for diplomatic solutions, but in the end, all they each care about is their own respective countries’ interests.

 

Whether all this results in a cry of P&S remains to be seen, but it’s clear that the “scene of this world is now changing”.

 

[trottigy]

6 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Whether all this results in a cry of P&S remains to be seen, but it’s clear that the “scene of this world is now changing”.

 

 

Changing? Or repeating itself?

 

Thanks Elijah for the nice synopsis. 

 

 

[Ahuvah]

5 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

In conclusion: history is repeating itself, and it’s clear that the prophecy @ Daniel 11:27 is accurate. These men might appear to be looking for diplomatic solutions, but in the end, all they each care about is their own respective countries’ interests.

This is key ... was watching the documentary presented by the brothers a few years ago, and they are clear that what the current governments are doing, is the same all the past governments have done in reference to peace talks.

 

What is different is the stream of time we are in. With current administration it might just be Jehovah’s time to force them to hand their power over to the UN, or it might be under another government change. Time will tell.

 

It is close though. 

[New World Explorer]

It’s interesting that prophecy about Peace and Security at 1 Thess 5:1-4 (which is still relevant-but remains to be seen how it’s gonna be fulfilled) is associated with the very last days of the last days as it points our when Jehovah will act … This prophecy is not attached to any other period but the very end. 
Last days begun in 1914 …. Now we are in 2025 therefore when the world talks about Peace in a significant way it’s of course of interest to us. 
Yes we know that Rev 17:17 points out to the beginning of GT, but 1 Thess 5 will play out somehow as well. Otherwise it would not be recorded in the Bible, but yet Jehovah decided to inform us about it.

[Tortuga]

20 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Nevermind...

Why did I get three sighs for this?

I changed my mind about something I wrote and decided to delete it. Why <sigh>?

[Desert Dan]

19 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Why did I get three sighs for this?

I changed my mind about something I wrote and decided to delete it. Why <sigh>?

 

They were severely disappointed and wanted to hear it?   Or...???