Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

Why did I get three sighs for this?

I changed my mind about something I wrote and decided to delete it. Why <sigh>?

Because I want to know what you wrote! 

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Desert Dan said:

 

They were severely disappointed and wanted to hear it?   Or...???

Yes!!!!!!!!!! It's not usually nice when he's talking to me, was hoping for some stimulating banter, sorely disappointed.  😄 🤣 😂 

[Áine]

Those feet are certainly not mixing very well today …

[Doug]

5 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

In my final post on this subject, let’s take a look at the present and see where we are headed:

 

1) Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 after holding a “referendum” and incorporated it into the country.
The West did nothing more than protest and slap some sanctions.

 

4) And now with about 1/5 of Ukraine’s land occupied, Trump is now appearing to push them to accept a deal with Putin. 

 

The public seems to be in shock at Trump's view on Ukraine.  But they didn't seem to raise an eyebrow when Obama did nothing in2014.

 

With the election of Obamas vice-president, Biden, in 2021, Putin must have believed Biden would have a similar response as his former boss and do nothing.  He invaded 13 months after the transfer of power.

[trottigy]

31 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

The public seems to be in shock at Trump's view on Ukraine.  But they didn't seem to raise an eyebrow when Obama did nothing in2014.

 

With the election of Obamas vice-president, Biden, in 2021, Putin must have believed Biden would have a similar response as his former boss and do nothing.  He invaded 13 months after the transfer of power.

 

Hmm, I do remember there being a LOT of upheaval in the Ukrainian government at the time. That is right around the time they removed the pro-Russian president. I don't recall Ukraine asking for the US to help with the Crimean situation.

 

It seems Ukraine was just glad to move on. I don't think that was an Obama decision.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

 

This puts a lot of that time period in perspective. BUT things were very different 3 years ago, just after they held democratic elections, and Zelensky won. He then DID ask for help and then help was limited initially - until the world was ready to be fully involved.

 

Putin should have been looking at the leadership of the country he was invading rather than some far away country like the US. With the first invasion of Crimea -  that government just let it go (saying "they just took an island - maybe they will stop there"), but they were surely unlikley to let a full-scale invasion just go by - and for that matter the rest of the world was unlikely to just let that go "and do nothing" as well.

 

Just a stray thought - the invasion of Ukraine is not Obama's, Biden's or Trump's fault. That is all the decision of Putin.

Edited yesterday at 12:19 AM by trottigy

[Richie]

US/Trump's actions on Ukraine and EU were part of the old assumptions. It has been expected since this assumption created. If will go further, that's it. We are excited and happy to see it. 

[Doug]

13 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

This puts a lot of that time period in perspective. BUT things were very different 3 years ago, just after they held democratic elections, and Zelensky won. 

 

Wasn't his opponent jailed?

[trottigy]

I believe that was 2 presidents before Zelensky.

 

BBC had this article when Zelensky won:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487

 

Quote

With nearly all ballots counted in the run-off vote, Mr Zelensky had taken more than 73% with incumbent Petro Poroshenko trailing far behind on 24%.

 

"I will never let you down," Mr Zelensky told celebrating supporters.

 

Russia says it wants him to show "sound judgement", "honesty" and "pragmatism" so that relations can improve. Russia backs separatists in eastern Ukraine.

 

Petro Poroshenko was the previous president before Zelensky. He is still free, I believe. 

 

A quick search - Russia doesn't like Poroshenko either:

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrainian-president-wanted-arrest-warrant-zelenskyy-e9714751f2481575aaf8935b132e0f31

 

Quote

As of Saturday afternoon, both Zelenskyy and his predecessor, Petro Poroshenko, featured on the ministry’s list of people wanted on unspecified criminal charges. The commander of Ukraine’s ground forces, Gen. Oleksandr Pavlyuk, was also on the list.

 

Russian officials did not immediately clarify the allegations against any of the men.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:59 AM by trottigy

[Godskingdomrules]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-20/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-analysis-after-zelenskyy-spray/104953186
 

interesting talk about weighing in whether to continue the war or not. Although it seems like that ship has already sailed in light of recent events. As the article mentions, some are saying to fight Putin while he is weak which is apparently now, a weakening economy and lack of conscripts for the war effort, rising inflation, apparently now will be a good time to continue the war if the EU Ukraine US go for peace through strength, so there will be no threat in the future.

I think we all know though where the current direction of events will go. Daniel 11:44,45 says the KOTN will come all the way to his end by Jehovahs hand. The KOTN has to be alive and well perhaps even unified with other world leaders when this part of the Daniel book is fulfilled.

[JennyM]

17 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Time for a history lesson, folks.

Sorry for the late reply, I was indisposed lol.

 

But here are some important facts I have thought about very carefully past few days:

 

The man I posted the pic of a few posts above is Sir Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister before Winston Churchill.

 

He said that quote (see about 9 or so posts above) after he had met with Hitler during the Munich Conference of 1938. It turned out to be one of the most empty statements of all time, as WWII broke out barely a year later.

 

These will be some long posts, so I will break it up into bite-size, manageable parts.

yeah. If I remember , they did that before WW1.. They signed a world treaty agreement but then WW1 happened. 

 

sounds like similar today. 

 

putin - trump peace talk. But what's on their mind? nuclear war? That's why Jehovah has to step in. 

[Richie]

Russia is a primary KOTN but Iran, China... are its major allies. Either of them will end shorter than the others. Understanding individual behaviors will help us alot to see how the things will go further.

[computerwiz]

22 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Why did I get three sighs for this?

 

Oh, I was just doing what everyone else was doing....

 

[Doug]

4 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

 

Oh, I was just doing what everyone else was doing....

 

 

"My son, do not follow them.  Keep your feet off their path."  ~  Pr. 1:15

 

  couldn't help myself   .   .    I had the Bible reading last night    

[JW417]

Just saw this article on my browser. They sure are busy .... 

 

Sen. Mike Lee and Republicans launch effort to withdraw US from United Nations | Fox News

[Richie]

12 hours ago, Richie said:

Russia is a primary KOTN but Iran, China... are its major allies. Either of them will end shorter than the others. Understanding individual behaviors will help us alot to see how the things will go further.

 

Iran Warned of 'Betrayal' Amid Warning Russia-US Ties Over Ukraine

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, JW417 said:

Just saw this article on my browser. They sure are busy .... 

 

Sen. Mike Lee and Republicans launch effort to withdraw US from United Nations | Fox News

Interesting statement from the article... "What has the United Nations achieved?" Roy said. "Despite all of the money and the attention, this corrupt globalist organization has, for decades, failed to prevent wars, genocides, human rights violations and even pandemics."

[chuck83]

23 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Interesting statement from the article... "What has the United Nations achieved?" Roy said. "Despite all of the money and the attention, this corrupt globalist organization has, for decades, failed to prevent wars, genocides, human rights violations and even pandemics."

 

 

🤫🫣

[Ahuvah]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

 

Iran Warned of 'Betrayal' Amid Warning Russia-US Ties Over Ukraine

And yet, soon, they will come together and give the UN authority.  Today's headlines really have no bearing on how things play out. They will play by Jehovah’s rules whether they like it or not.

[Cool.As.Ice]

 

I have a couple of Scriptures for Bro. Richard:

On 2/19/2025 at 10:12 AM, Tortuga said:

Why did I get three sighs for this?

I changed my mind about something I wrote and decided to delete it. Why <sigh>?

(Revelation-ish 3:19) “All those for whom I have affection, I tease and bust their chops. So be happy and laugh.”

 

(Romanz 8:22) “For we know that all of JWTalk keeps on being joyful together and being in jubilation together until now.”

 

Okay, I’m done! 🤡

 

9 hours ago, computerwiz said:

 

Oh, I was just doing what everyone else was doing....

 

P.S. I was too.

Edited 16 hours ago by Cool.As.Ice

[Ahuvah]

I wasn't... I meant it.

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

Interesting statement from the article... "What has the United Nations achieved?" Roy said. "Despite all of the money and the attention, this corrupt globalist organization has, for decades, failed to prevent wars, genocides, human rights violations and even pandemics."

 

5 hours ago, JW417 said:

Just saw this article on my browser. They sure are busy .... 

 

Sen. Mike Lee and Republicans launch effort to withdraw US from United Nations | Fox News

 

Trump often does big gestures as a negotiation tactic. Who knows if they'll leave at all, or if they will have big conditions for remaining/coming back? This could be interesting.

[koala1999]

(Just for reflection.) With the unfolding of current events, Putin's and Trump's policies may eventually cause them to lose popular support. Without this support, both would have to leave the presidency, creating a leadership vacuum that would ultimately be filled by the United Nations.

[Exter]

49 minutes ago, koala1999 said:

(Just for reflection.) With the unfolding of current events, Putin's and Trump's policies may eventually cause them to lose popular support. Without this support, both would have to leave the presidency, creating a leadership vacuum that would ultimately be filled by the United Nations.

Yes can happen. For european politicians, almost Germany chancellor, an 🫨 surprise: a friend in the past make deals with a enemY.

[Sofia]

10 hours ago, Ahuvah said:

And yet, soon, they will come together and give the UN authority.  Today's headlines really have no bearing on how things play out. They will play by Jehovah’s rules whether they like it or not.

That’s the request Trump makes

No longer waisting money in worthless organizations 

 

UN needs money? Ok. Then make it work properly 

 

I think this is a great moment in human history 

[Sofia]

If USA withdraws from NATO, Europe will become vulnerable 

Solutions must come up FAST

 

i don’t think Trump lose power 

but even if he does another will take his place because USA is the false prophet and will be pretty much “alive” untill Armageddon 

As for UN to gain power… I think that the security council must be extinguished 

I don’t see any better solution so far 

and nobody wants to do it