Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sofia]

Is it my impression or the word “unprecedented” is appearing in the media more often lately? 🤔

[jrnievas]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

Is it my impression or the word “unprecedented” is appearing in the media more often lately? 🤔

Yes.... as what the Bible tells... for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.(Mat. 24:21)

If we all combined unprecedented events occurred in our times.... this can be "great"... and it will be fit the Bible prophecies...

This one is another unprecedented event...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZfx8TjFgI

[Cushi]

3 hours ago, Sofia said:

Yes both and revelation even show all kings of the Earth against the lamb and the 144,000

but my question remains: if BOTH kings joined efforts to create the disgusting thing, why does the prophecy states only KOTN final attack against the Holy mountain ?

why not together KOTN and KOTS 

if I’m alive by then I’m sure curious to see how it unfolds!

Perhaps because the KOTN may lead the attack. The slave has said that this may happen.
Interestingly, when I read some commentary on Ezekiel 38, it said that Gog is a person who rules over the land of Magog. It said Magog means “prince of Rosh and that Rosh is the old root word for the land of Russia. Ezekiel 38:15 says you will come… from the remotest parts of the north.” The commentary said that Moscow is North of Jerusalem with nothing above it. 
Ezekiel 38:2 says:

“son of man, set your face against Gog of the land of Magog, the head chieftain of Meshech and Tubal and prophesy against him.”

It said Magog, Meshech and Tubal were all sons of Japheth, who was one of the three sons of Noah. Japheth and his family migrated to the area of modern-day Russia. It also said Meschech is the old name for the capital of Western Russia, which is known today as Moscow and that Tubal is identified as a city in Siberia. 
 

Of course, anything from worldly sources is to be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it has false religious sentiments sprinkled in. But it does make you think.

[GeordieGirl]

Thought I would go and see what our literature said about Magog and Rosh from a secular viewpoint.

Magog: From the time of the Jewish historian Josephus, it has been suggested that “the land of Magog” related to the Scythian tribes found in NE Europe and Central Asia. (Jewish Antiquities, I, 123 [vi, 1]) 
Classical writers of Greek and Roman times described the Scythians as northern barbarians, rapacious and warlike .....
.... the 1959 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica (Vol. 20, p. 235) states that “throughout classical literature Scythia generally meant all regions to the north and northeast of the Black sea ....

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002836

Rosh: 2. A name found in some translations of Ezekiel 38:2 and 39:1 (AS, JB, Le, LXX, Mo, Yg, Ro), viewed by some scholars as designating a northern people called Rus (Russian), who are said to have lived along the Volga River. In view of the meaning of the term and its application to Gog, however, it is appropriately translated as part of a title rather than the name of a people or a place: thus, “head chieftain” (NW); “chief prince” (KJ, Dy, Fn, JP, RS); “great prince” (AT); “prince of the head” and “head prince” (Vg); “leader and head” (Sy); “head great one” (Targums).

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003765

Edited August 14, 2023 by GeordieGirl

[New World Explorer]

It will be interesting to watch China getting involved in more peace talks trying to settle war in Ukraine.

Why would China a friend of Russia be interested in doing that?

China never anticipated the current scenario where Ukraine is resisting so strongly.

While, friend of Russia and economic partner, China heavily depends on trade with "free world" which currently is diverting financial resources to support Ukraine, not good outcome for China at all. 

Chinese economy needs West, and Europe to trade.

 

China’s choice

Although China did have a choice to adopt a different stand, it probably miscalculated. It expected a quick Russian victory would strengthen the “no limits” partnership, instead, it is stuck with a neighbour whose erratic behaviour poses a major danger to global peace and stability, of which China remains a major stakeholder and beneficiary.https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/europe-distances-itself-from-china/

Russia's quick victory never came, so perhaps there are economic reasons why China decided to join other countries in peace conferences.

 

China's leader, Xi Jinping, has been Russian President Vladimir Putin's most important international backer amid the war in Ukraine, with the authoritarian leaders declaring a "no limits" partnership from the outset of the conflict. 

But as the war drags on, it seems that China's patience with the Kremlin may be beginning to wear thin, reports say.

A Russian insider told The Institute for the Study of War, a military think-tank, that Moscow had rejected a 12-point peace plan touted by China in February. 

They added that members of the Chinese elite were growing increasingly frustrated with the Kremlin's intransigence. https://www.businessinsider.com/rift-grows-between-xi-putin-russia-refusal-ukraine-peace-deal-2023-8

 

[JennyM]

58 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

It will be interesting to watch China getting involved in more peace talks trying to settle war in Ukraine.

Why would China a friend of Russia be interested in doing that?

China never anticipated the current scenario where Ukraine is resisting so strongly.

While, friend of Russia and economic partner, China heavily depends on trade with "free world" which currently is diverting financial resources to support Ukraine, not good outcome for China at all. 

Chinese economy needs West, and Europe to trade.

 

China’s choice

Although China did have a choice to adopt a different stand, it probably miscalculated. It expected a quick Russian victory would strengthen the “no limits” partnership, instead, it is stuck with a neighbour whose erratic behaviour poses a major danger to global peace and stability, of which China remains a major stakeholder and beneficiary.https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/europe-distances-itself-from-china/

Russia's quick victory never came, so perhaps there are economic reasons why China decided to join other countries in peace conferences.

 

China's leader, Xi Jinping, has been Russian President Vladimir Putin's most important international backer amid the war in Ukraine, with the authoritarian leaders declaring a "no limits" partnership from the outset of the conflict. 

But as the war drags on, it seems that China's patience with the Kremlin may be beginning to wear thin, reports say.

A Russian insider told The Institute for the Study of War, a military think-tank, that Moscow had rejected a 12-point peace plan touted by China in February. 

They added that members of the Chinese elite were growing increasingly frustrated with the Kremlin's intransigence. https://www.businessinsider.com/rift-grows-between-xi-putin-russia-refusal-ukraine-peace-deal-2023-8

 

Didnt they know that before they start the war? If they did, then theyre really stupid.. Or perhaps, they want more power. 

[GeordieGirl]

China is dealing with some serious economic woes at the moment, both internationally and at home. 

I would imagine they are looking for the most beneficial ways to gain financial stability. Continuing to back the Russian war against Ukraine isn't one of them.

 

[Osprey]

And chinese defence minister goes to Russia and Belarus these days. Analysts mainly see it as a positive development for Russia. It would be interesting to be a fly at the wall in the room...

Edited August 14, 2023 by Osprey

[New World Explorer]

3 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

Continuing to back the Russian war against Ukraine isn't one of them.

Well, they align politically with them ... but financially that's another long story. 

Simply the war did not go they imagined, and now there is dilemma they face. 

How substantial that dilemma will be?, time will tell....

 

[Ysaias]

On 8/10/2023 at 10:37 PM, JennyM said:

Sad to say, people are blind to see things like these unless if it happens to them then they cry for their gods. 

It reminds me of this:

Despite evidence of God’s blessing on Noah, people ridiculed him and ignored his message.

Animals walking, crawling, jumping, flying... IN PAIRS! Like a parade! Some animals may be unknown to them.

--"Yes, but Noah is a fool".

Duh!

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2013246&srcid=share

[zoebarry]

On 8/8/2023 at 2:46 PM, Shawnster said:

Where is this? We aren't doing this in Ohio.  I've not seen any direction from the Branch on this 

My congregation is also doing this on Saturdays. Each service group meets somewhere else besides the kingdom hall. My group meets at a park and ride near a Highway.

[JennyM]

16 hours ago, Osprey said:

And chinese defence minister goes to Russia and Belarus these days. Analysts mainly see it as a positive development for Russia. It would be interesting to be a fly at the wall in the room...

maybe to convince Russia to  make peace. 

 

12 hours ago, Ysaias said:

It reminds me of this:

Despite evidence of God’s blessing on Noah, people ridiculed him and ignored his message.

Animals walking, crawling, jumping, flying... IN PAIRS! Like a parade! Some animals may be unknown to them.

--"Yes, but Noah is a fool".

Duh!

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2013246&srcid=share

This is a good illustration.  People will still mock us at the very end until they see desutruction. The reason is they dont want to be disturb from  their daily lives. 

 

[computerwiz]

On 8/13/2023 at 7:12 PM, Sofia said:

Is it my impression or the word “unprecedented” is appearing in the media more often lately? 🤔

That started way back in 2020 with the pandemic.  I got (and still am) very sick with hearing that word.  😝  It has no meaning anymore.  It's not used properly.

There is indeed "precedent" for many things.  Spanish flu anyone?  2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami? Hurricane Andrew?  Katrina?  World War 1 & 2?  Etc.  If you look into it, there have been plenty of disasters, wars, crazy events, etc. etc. that have set a "precedent" of how things are in the end.

Historic.  Record-breaking.  Unusual.  Surprising.  Unbelievable.  Catastrophic.  There are so many better words that could be used.  More accurate words.  But "unprecedented" has been beaten to death in the past 3 years.  I don't get it...  Perhaps someone is trying to desensitize us...  🤔

[jrnievas]

1 hour ago, computerwiz said:

But "unprecedented" has been beaten to death in the past 3 years.  I don't get it...  Perhaps someone is trying to desensitize us...  🤔

What do you mean brother brother? 😆 

[Lee49]

1 hour ago, computerwiz said:

But "unprecedented" has been beaten to death in the past 3 years

Maui fires! Worst in history! 

• Maui county officials said multiple structures have burned and multiple evacuation orders are in place as emergency crews battle brush and structure fires. "It's been an unprecedented incident striking large areas of our island, and it has been pretty much all hands on deck," Martin said.

[Dustparticle]

9 hours ago, Lee49 said:

Maui fires! Worst in history! 

• Maui county officials said multiple structures have burned and multiple evacuation orders are in place as emergency crews battle brush and structure fires. "It's been an unprecedented incident striking large areas of our island, and it has been pretty much all hands on deck," Martin said.

Check out this video https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=6658997394159656

[Tortuga]

12 hours ago, computerwiz said:

Historic.  Record-breaking.  Unusual.  Surprising.  Unbelievable.  Catastrophic.  There are so many better words that could be used.  More accurate words.  But "unprecedented" has been beaten to death in the past 3 years.  I don't get it...  Perhaps someone is trying to desensitize us...  🤔

So many things are happening they are running out of words to describe them... It's unprecedented!...😳

[jrnievas]

24 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

So many things are happening they are running out of words to describe them... It's unprecedented!...😳

What if it's "Unpresidented"? Hmmmm..... 🤣

[Dustparticle]

33 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

So many things are happening they are running out of words to describe them... It's unprecedented!...😳

When they rebuild homes, etc? Will their tax bills go up? And why are they let tourists in that area? Not only this the sirens and the fire hydrants were NOT working. Crazy!

Edited August 15, 2023 by Dustparticle

[coolbrz731]

22 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

Not only this the sirens and the fire hydrants were NOT working. Crazy!

I just saw a firefighter interviewed on ABC news.  They were trying to save their neighborhood and they ran out of water pressure.  During the largest fire disaster in Hawaiian history.  It's sad how man cannot direct his own step.  This is why Armageddon will be good news.

[Tortuga]

28 minutes ago, jrnievas said:

What if it's "Unpresidented"? Hmmmm..... 🤣

That will happen soon too..🤣

[Dhanyel]

Poland holds biggest military parade in decades, as its clout in Europe grows

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/15/europe/poland-military-parade-europe-clout-intl/index.html

Pushes?  

[Doug]

Yesterday, the ruble fell below the .01 mark, meaning it was worth less than one cent.

Meanwhile, Russia plans to double its 2023 defense spending target to more than $100 billion, a third of all public expenditure.

Printing more money would drive up inflation, with potentially catastrophic consequences for citizens.

Madness!

[Sofia]

18 minutes ago, Doug said:

Yesterday, the ruble fell below the .01 mark, meaning it was worth less than one cent.

Meanwhile, Russia plans to double its 2023 defense spending target to more than $100 billion, a third of all public expenditure.

Printing more money would drive up inflation, with potentially catastrophic consequences for citizens.

Madness!

Russian Federation lauched their own virtual coin. Hoping to save their economy 

[Dustparticle]

48 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Russian Federation lauched their own virtual coin. Hoping to save their economy 

China is having economic problems as well. KOTN (Russia and China) are having problems. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-sink-as-china-woes-spark-global-sell-off-stock-market-news-today-200121136.html