Religion in the news

[ChrisW]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

Not really. 

 

President Bush Orders Flags Flown at Half Staff in Honor of Pope John Paul II
A Proclamation by the President of the United States of America

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050402-3.html

 

Pursuant to President Trump’s Presidential Proclamation to lower the United States flag, I do hereby order that the flags of the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Virginia are to be flown at half-staff over the State Capitol and all local, state, and federal buildings and grounds in the Commonwealth of Virginia in respect to and memory of Reverend Billy Graham.

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/constituent-services/flag-information/flag-orders/title-of-flag-order-922391-en.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

The president may also order that the flag be flown at half-staff to commemorate the death of other officials, former officials or foreign dignitaries, in addition to tragic events.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2025/04

Contradict much?

[jps]

the church of sweden is one of the worlds most liberal and pro hbtq/lbtq+-xyz!@#€%...

 

many priests and spokepersons are now labeling anyone that defends the biblical view on marriage/morality as far right wing christians,

us included

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25 by jps

[Mike047]

Better far right from falsehood than left behind from truth.

[chuck83]

"Donald Trump signed an executive order creating a presidential commission on religious liberty."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-not-happy-trump-said-214720611.html

[Tortuga]

25 minutes ago, chuck83 said:

"Donald Trump signed an executive order creating a presidential commission on religious liberty."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-not-happy-trump-said-214720611.html

Just the opposite of what we would expect to see as a prelude to the attack on BTG. That could be discouraging if we were looking at world events as leading indicators to PS, GT & A. However, it may be a step toward them saying P&S together, so perhaps it is a step in the right direction. No matter what happens, we know it will happen on Jehovah's time lime.

[ChrisW]

1 hour ago, chuck83 said:

"Donald Trump signed an executive order creating a presidential commission on religious liberty."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-not-happy-trump-said-214720611.html

AI Overview:

Russian Orthodoxy is the most prevalent form of Christianity in Russia. 

 

But our brothers are being in jail in Russia.   So I don't know why this would cause discouragement. It's just another step to control people's beliefs.  

[chuck83]

Sorry if I offend anyone. Don't know the rules I guess on social media posts but I'm not looking right now either. Delete if you must. But this is the official White House Twitter page and personally I know it's probably a joke. But with no Pope and this guy saying his rules the world. Screams Constantine and Nebuchadnezzar in arrogance. 

 

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1918502592335724809

[Shawnster]

9 hours ago, ChrisW said:

So I don't know why this would cause discouragement. It's just another step to control people's beliefs.  

 

Because this appears to overturn 249 years of Constitutional separation of church and state. In contrast, Russia does not believe in such a separation. Even during the Soviet era of state atheism, the Russian Orthodox church was encouraged. 

 

Granted, it only seems that it's been the last 25-30 years or so that there has been a noticeable separation of church and state in the US. From 1776 up through the Reagan era Jude-Christian beliefs and practices were honored and promoted in the US. Christmas is the only religious holiday that is also a federal holiday. Religion played a big part in establishing the Thanksgiving holiday. The 10 Commandments could be found decorating most US Court Houses. In the 50s the phrase "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. "In God We Trust" is printed on US paper currency.  Congress opens with prayer. Court witnesses are sworn in using the Bible and witnesses swear to God to tell the truth. 

 

However, over the past 30 years or so efforts have been made to downplay such religious connections to the US government. Instead the separation of Church and State has been strongly emphasized as if that's always been the case to the extent we see in recent decades. 

Edited Sunday at 12:29 AM by Shawnster

[ChrisW]

8 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

Because this appears to overturn 249 years of Constitutional separation of church and state. In contrast, Russia does not believe in such a separation. Even during the Soviet era of state atheism, the Russian Orthodox church was encouraged. 

 

Granted, it only seems that it's been the last 25-30 years or so that there has been a noticeable separation of church and state in the US. From 1776 up through the Reagan era Jude-Christian beliefs and practices were honored and promoted in the US. Christmas is the only religious holiday that is also a federal holiday. Religion played a big part in establishing the Thanksgiving holiday. The 10 Commandments could be found decorating most US Court Houses. In the 50s the phrase "under d" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. "In God We Trust" is printed on US paper currency.  Congress opens with prayer. Court witnesses are sworn in using the Bible and witnesses swear to God to tell the truth. 

 

However, over the past 30 years or so efforts have been made to downplay such religious connections to the US government. Instead the separation of Church and State has been strongly emphasized as if that's always been the case to the extent we see in recent decades. 

I don't disagree with all this. But fail to see how it relates.

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, ChrisW said:

I don't disagree with all this. But fail to see how it relates.

Relates to what? You mentioned people being discouraged by Trump's plans to commission on religious liberty. I assumed you meant people quoted in the news articles were discouraged, since I did not see anyone here saying they were discouraged by this news. I was responding to that and suggested why people in the US would be discouraged by this. 

 

13 hours ago, chuck83 said:

Sorry if I offend anyone. Don't know the rules I guess on social media posts but I'm not looking right now either. Delete if you must. But this is the official White House Twitter page and personally I know it's probably a joke. But with no Pope and this guy saying his rules the world. Screams Constantine and Nebuchadnezzar in arrogance. 

 

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1918502592335724809

 

Honestly I think this is just one of those distractions people talk about. Grand pompous gestures and displays can easily distract from something else. 

 

Trump can never be Pope. 

 

 

[ChrisW]

21 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

assumed you meant people quoted in the news articles were discouraged

 

23 hours ago, Tortuga said:

could be discouraging if we were looking at world events as leading indicators to PS, GT & A.

I understand. I was commenting on this.  I didn't see any quotes from the news article though there may have been some. 

[Shawnster]

33 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

 

I understand. I was commenting on this.  I didn't see any quotes from the news article though there may have been some. 

Sorry, I didn't see Richard's comment. 

[Michał]

My grandfather improved 3 days before he died. The same is with this system. Symptoms may be misleading but underlying sickness is fatal. 

[ChrisW]

Religious leaders fight against religious leaders.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/moral-mondays-arrested-us-capitol-rcna204220

 

You wonder why people are fed up with religion.

[Dustparticle]

 

 Why not a green smoke? 

 

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/nation-world/pope-election-what-time-to-look-for-smoke-during-conclave-eastern-time-central-mountain-pacific/507-1a7cd62f-a763-4b97-8747-463307a42292

[trottigy]

We watched the movie "Conclave". It was pretty good and gave me an idea of what happens inside the walls.

 

Satan is the ruler of the world. I am certain he will have influence over the outcome, and it will be even crazier than we can imagine. He is the master at keeping everyone on edge and distracted.

[Tortuga]

3 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

 

 Why not a green smoke? 

 

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/nation-world/pope-election-what-time-to-look-for-smoke-during-conclave-eastern-time-central-mountain-pacific/507-1a7cd62f-a763-4b97-8747-463307a42292

 

[Doug]

3 hours ago, trottigy said:

We watched the movie "Conclave". It was pretty good and gave me an idea of what happens inside the walls.

Satan is the ruler of the world. I am certain he will have influence over the outcome, and it will be even crazier than we can imagine. He is the master at keeping everyone on edge and distracted.

 

Yeah, I thought this might be a drama that would go on for weeks.  But, apparently the longest conclaves in the 20th and 21st centuries lasted only 5 days each.  Pius X in 1903 and Pius XI in 1922.

 

Fun Fact ~ While Francis was from Argentina, in his entire reign as pope, he never visited Argentina. He did visit other South American nations.

[Tortuga]

I remember when Cardinal Scola was almost made a pope. He didn't make it, obviously they didn't want a Pope SCola with their long history of drinking Coke...

[LeolaRootStew]

9 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

 

 Why not a green smoke? 

 

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/nation-world/pope-election-what-time-to-look-for-smoke-during-conclave-eastern-time-central-mountain-pacific/507-1a7cd62f-a763-4b97-8747-463307a42292

 

Only if he's Irish.

 

 

 

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

The Pope is a dope

Who gives people false Hope.

 

For him many grope,

But are not aware of the scope

Of all his lies and deceit,

But yet for him they all weep.

 

And now that he is dead

The world is asking:

“Whom will reign in his stead?”

 

Lil’ do they know

That the King Jesus will soon strike a blow!

Yes, upon the wine press of the anger of God,

He will soon trod.

 

Armageddon shall come

And get rid of all these bums,

And Jehovah will crush Satan under His thumb!

 

Then God’s angels will rejoice,

And declare with a loud voice,

“No more Babylon the Great!

She has been reduced to a nonexistent state!”

 

God’s people will rise

With happiness in their eyes,

They raise their heads towards the sky,

As they get ready to enjoy their earthly prize.

 

Amen! So be it!

Edited yesterday at 06:21 AM by Cool.As.Ice

[bobby]

just saw on the news they have a new pope hoping thing one will be the last

[Tortuga]

On 5/7/2025 at 12:29 PM, Tortuga said:

I remember when Cardinal Scola was almost made a pope. He didn't make it, obviously they didn't want a Pope SCola with their long history of drinking Coke...

Too bad they didn't make Cardinal Sicle a pope, everyone likes Pope Sicles... 

Edited 10 hours ago by Tortuga

[Thomas Walker]

https://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-excommunicate-priests-following-new-us-state-law-2069039

 

Washington State now has a 'Must Report' law with regards to Child Abuse cases. The Church has forbidden their Priests from doing so.

 

When Children are in danger, it overrides Doctor/Patient privilege, Spousal Privilege, Attorney/Client privilege, but not the Confessional. So there's the first showdown for the first American Pope to deal with. Likely won't be the last.