Deportation of undocumented

[BLEmom]

59 minutes ago, Hope said:

This past weekend, an admitted administrative error sent someone to an El Salvador prison.

 

An error. But now, since the man is gone, nothing "can" be done about it. 😒

I saw that they admitted to a clerical error. Why can’t they get him back?!?!?!?

 

[Tortuga]

Here is an article about him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-real-story-of-the-maryland-father-deported-to-el-salvador-by-mistake/ar-AA1CeQkP?ocid=socialshare

[BLEmom]

What a mess for all of the family. 
Those super max prisons are so dangerous 

[LeolaRootStew]

17 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

I saw that they admitted to a clerical error. Why can’t they get him back?!?!?!?

 

 

Because he entered the US illegally. Since he is currently in El Salvador he is under their jurisdiction; the US has no authority to bring back a non-citizen from a foreign country.

[trottigy]

12 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Because he entered the US illegally. Since he is currently in El Salvador he is under their jurisdiction; the US has no authority to bring back a non-citizen from a foreign country.

 

He was not in the US ilegally:

 

An immigration judge in 2019 had granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador, where Abrego Garcia was likely to face persecution by local gangs. He had a legal work permit issued by the Department of Homeland Security, his lawyer said.

 

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-deportation-maryland-man-trump-c21e54f77c1e6716e2998c2463f6650b

 

It is difficult to follow the legal process for sanctuary, but when someone manages to navigate it and STILL gets deported - that makes it hard to get others to follow the law - like he did.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by trottigy

[Hope]

If there was more research and due diligence done on these people rather than sending masked ICE agents to sweep people up and send them away at top speed, these things wouldn't happen. 

 

Cruel system we live in 😢

[BLEmom]

3 minutes ago, Hope said:

If there was more research and due diligence done on these people rather than sending masked ICE agents to sweep people up and send them away at top speed, these things wouldn't happen. 

 

Cruel system we live in 😢

Yeah I was watching that report about the university student grabbed by masked ice agents. She was legal but they suddenly revoked her visa.
She was grabbed for supposedly some type of terrorist activity although the news was saying at the time that all they could find was a paper she co authored that criticized the university over ties with Israeli groups. She probably was voicing her support of victims of Gaza but a lot of students did last year. 
Anyway, they purposely sent her to the Louisiana detention center as quickly as they could because the laws there are more favorable to their ideology than where she lived. 
These snatch and grabs are pretty scary because due diligence and the normal court processes aren’t followed so mistakes and injustice will be at higher rates. 

[Hope]

It will be horrible if/when it happens to our people 😕 😢 

[LeolaRootStew]

57 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

He was not in the US ilegally:

 

An immigration judge in 2019 had granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador, where Abrego Garcia was likely to face persecution by local gangs. He had a legal work permit issued by the Department of Homeland Security, his lawyer said.

 

https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-deportation-maryland-man-trump-c21e54f77c1e6716e2998c2463f6650b

 

 

I said he came to the US illegally:

 

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"Abrego Garcia came to the U.S. illegally from El Salvador around 2011"

 

1 hour ago, trottigy said:

It is difficult to follow the legal process for sanctuary, but when someone manages to navigate it and STILL gets deported - that makes it hard to get others to follow the law - like he did.

 

Entering a country illegally is the definition of "not following the law", but that wasn't even my point. The topic I addressed was not if it was legal to deport him or if he had a right to be in the US, but why he couldn't be brought back immediately. The reason: he is not a US citizen, so the US cannot demand to have him returned, they can only ask politely.

 

I am not taking sides on the deportation issue, I am only explaining why it's not so easy to reverse.

[Shawnster]

45 minutes ago, Hope said:

If there was more research and due diligence done on these people rather than sending masked ICE agents to sweep people up and send them away at top speed, these things wouldn't happen. 

 

Cruel system we live in 😢

 

 

Don't be too quick to assume this. It's Satan's imperfect world. Perhaps this particular incident might not happen but something just as unjust would easily befall someone else. 

 

These are the situations that test our neutrality. The way we react to injustice can become influenced by whichever side is winning our subconscious heart. 

 

The only sure cure for injustice is God's Kingdom. 

[Hope]

8 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

Don't be too quick to assume this. It's Satan's imperfect world. Perhaps this particular incident might not happen but something just as unjust would easily befall someone else. 

 

These are the situations that test our neutrality. The way we react to injustice can become influenced by whichever side is winning our subconscious heart. 

 

The only sure cure for injustice is God's Kingdom. 

Understood. Just going by what the news reports are stating.

 

I will hate for it to happen to any of our family. 😔

[Shawnster]

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record

 

US immigration authorities last year deported the largest number of undocumented immigrants in nearly a decade, surpassing the record of Donald Trump's first term in office.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o.amp

 

Funny how, despite this being on BBC News, nobody seemed to be bothered. Now that Trump is in office the media is screaming louder about this issue. 

 

Almost as if there is a bias in what news gets played up or played down. The media definitely presents this current issues as if the administration is ramping up deportations.  On the other hand, this article says deportation under this administration was slower than the previous when comparing 2024 to 2025. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-set-broaden-arrests-deportation-routes-expand-immigration-crackdown-2025-02-21/

 

Yes, I know this BBC article is referencing Trump's previous term. Kinda early in this term to compare with previous presidents. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Shawnster

[Hope]

Perhaps it's not the deportations per se, rather the methods and circumstances? 

[Shawnster]

Just now, Hope said:

Perhaps it's not the deportations per se, rather the methods and circumstances? 

Or perhaps it's media bias.  I edited my post above. 

 

Im not here to debate the politics. Just pointing out we can easily be influenced by what and how the media chooses. 

[tekmantwo]

5 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Here is an article about him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-real-story-of-the-maryland-father-deported-to-el-salvador-by-mistake/ar-AA1CeQkP?ocid=socialshare

This link doesn't work for me.

 

Anyone else able to open it, or is it just me?

[Cool.As.Ice]

12 minutes ago, tekmantwo said:

This link doesn't work for me.

 

Anyone else able to open it, or is it just me?

Not working for me either.

[Hope]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Or perhaps it's media bias.  I edited my post above. 

 

Im not here to debate the politics. Just pointing out we can easily be influenced by what and how the media chooses. 

 

Very possibly. I'm certainly not debating politics. There are several CCTV videos and the like out there that show the arrests in real time; they look pretty bad. With or without media, being deported without due process is not appropriate, no matter who is doing it.

[Hope]

41 minutes ago, tekmantwo said:

This link doesn't work for me.

 

Anyone else able to open it, or is it just me?

 

Here's a better link:  https://www.newsweek.com/kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-deported-el-salvador-maryland-father-ms13-2054507

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

The Americans are always the ones complaining about immigrants but:

 

Those same immigrants are the ones who do the jobs that they don’t want to do, from picking fruit to construction labor, to working in mines. They are a huge benefit to the economy because of this.

 

Also, all Americans are also immigrants. Seems people here keep forgetting that the Native tribes did not invite any of us here, as the Europeans came, stole their land, and imposed their way of life on the Indigenous inhabitants. Now their descendants are raising a huge fuss about illegal immigrants, when we ourselves are all illegal, in a way.

 

Most people never consider these facts when they talk badly about the migrants. I firmly believe that much of this is rooted in racism.

 

 

 

 

[trottigy]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Or perhaps it's media bias.  I edited my post above. 

 

Im not here to debate the politics. Just pointing out we can easily be influenced by what and how the media chooses. 

 

Actually that was my first post in this thread:

 

https://jwtalk.net/topic/60075-deportation-of-undocumented/

 

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"This amount is not a radical departure from what it was during the Biden administration, Vox and the Associated Press noted."

 

 

I noticed how upset President Trump was getting that he couldn't get "his people" to deport any faster than Biden did.

 

Latest if you are interested in the accounts of this individuals who were picked up:

https://www.wola.org/2025/03/weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-the-alien-enemies-act-military-buildup-border-wall/