Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 crash

[New World Explorer]

Engine fire led to Ukrainian Boeing 737 crash in Iran - airport official

https://www.rt.com/news/477693-engine-catching-fire-crash/

 

Personal note: I am loosing confidence in Boeing... plane 3 years "young" which is sad. Just too afraid to fly them in the near future.

I will opt for Airbus instead.

[New World Explorer]

Iran says it will not hand over the black box of the Ukrainian plane to Boeing. The black box containing vital records of how the plane crashed has been located in a field among the debris of the plane outside Tehran.

It is not clear whether Iranian authorities are disputing the legality of handing over the black box to Boeing, or whether they are seeking to inspect the box themselves.

The Ukrainian government has deleted a tweet saying the plane’s crash was the result of an accident.

The news has fuelled speculation that there is something suspicious about the downing of the plane, with one theory doing the rounds on social media that Iran could have mistaken the plane for an incoming US military aircraft. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jan/07/trump-news-today-live-impeachment-articles-iran-latest-updates-democrats?page=with:block-5e15bbee8f087e8308e6a97d#block-5e15bbee8f087e8308e6a97d

[Memeber212]

16 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Engine fire led to Ukrainian Boeing 737 crash in Iran - airport official

https://www.rt.com/news/477693-engine-catching-fire-crash/

 

Personal note: I am loosing confidence in Boeing... plane 3 years "young" which is sad. Just too afraid to fly them in the near future.

I will opt for Airbus instead.

There are many reasons why the plane crashed. Personally, I think it was shot down.

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, מתתיהו said:

There are many reasons why the plane crashed. Personally, I think it was shot down.

Something is not right... almost brand new plane ......hmmm

[Memeber212]

2 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Something is not right... almost brand new plane ......hmmm

Take into consideration there was a lot of weapons aimed in the sky awaiting American or Israeli planes. The Israelis are know for flying (shadowing) passenger planes. They have already done so a few times to get deep into countries. Planes don't crash easily. There must be a few mistakes or problems occuring simultaniously - never one. Even if an engine is on fire there is another one. 737-800 can fly with 1 engine. So i guess it was shot by either Iranians, Americans or Israelis. Iranians - they could have done it because of panic, suspicous radar signature, lack of transponder signal or they maybe wanted to ruin Boeing - but then they killed their own people (still "cheaper" than starting a war"). 
Even 737 MAX are safe. I would have no problem fying in one. The plane is 100% safe.

[Shawnster]

22 minutes ago, מתתיהו said:

Even 737 MAX are safe. I would have no problem fying in one. The plane is 100% safe.

That must be why they are grounded, that 100% safety rating.

[Old]

4 hours ago, Shawnster said:

That must be why they are grounded, that 100% safety rating.

Just got to speak up, though I agree with Shawnsters statement, at the present they are 100% safe. The plane was and is safe, the pilots were not!

As a pilot I am well aware that the first responsibilty is to fly the plane. You don't start thowing switches and depending on atomatic functions that are misbehaving. Almost all well trained an experience US 737 Max pilots said they would have no trouble recovering given the same circumstance. The pilot in command was being countered by the far less experienced first officer. One thing I absolutely do not understand is why when the nose dropped below the horizon they failed to reduce power, that is fundemental since piper cub days.

Boeing was in error when they decided to make stall recovery fool proof. There will always be a fool to prove you wrong.

US and UK 1st officers will typically have several thousand hours before they get the privilege  of sitting in the right seat. Not so third world pilots.

Did I make serious mistakes flying? absolutely.

One night time I flew into a rain squall while bringing my wife back from Porland. The lights of Salem below the plane disapeard. I did a stupid thing, I rolled into a sharp left bank to turn around. lost all semblance of attitude control. When we dropped throught bottom of the sqaull  I saw the lights of Salem in the top of the windshield and the airspeed was well into the red zone, this is called a death spiral. I did not start throwing switches and rolling in down nose trim. Fly the plane stupid! Power all the wall back, slowly pull back on the yoke, reduce airspeed, roll upright. My wife was basically unconcerned she thoughy my quick recovery movements were because of the noise of the rain and hail on the plane.

I was totally wrong in finding myself in that squall at night, after all I had flown the reverse of this route an hour previous with no rain. The rain squalls were in the forcast. I should not have tried do a 180 to get out of it, a BAD gut reaction. I had become complacent ignoring the forcast squalls, we were twenty minutes from home base, I expected to see the lights of Eugene any moment. I could have crashed, there woull be no suvivor (or wings on the plane). It happens a lot in Oregon.

But when push comes to shove I did what my instrutor had pounded into my ear, before anything else 'FLY THE PLANE!' I should have flown straight ahead, monitored the instuments and in 15 seconds we would have been clear of the squall. 

I did not explain my bad judgment to my wife until were were driving home from the airport. She said she did not see me lose my cool.

What ever happens the first rule is fly the plane! Engine quits? fly the plane! Electrical goes out at night, fly the plane! Run away trim on take off, fly the plane!  (Actually that was the scariest event, but too many details to explain here. But it was my fault.)

I got to be a much better pilot after getting hundreds of more hours than the the 1st officer in the Ethiopian crash.

I would gladly take a trip on a 737 Max tomorrow, no problem.

Air France Fligh 447 crashed because all five of the crew were trying to figure what was wrong with the instruments. Nobody was flying the plane. At least Airbus did not have to recertify the A330, just change the arrangement of the of the air sensors. Sound familiar.

 

Thanks for listening, I don't get much of a chance to discuss flying on this forum.  

 

 

[Memeber212]

6 hours ago, Shawnster said:

That must be why they are grounded, that 100% safety rating.

And all JWs in Australia are involved in hiding pedophiles... That happens when you listen tothe media only. They are safe. As I said, there are multiple factors that must coincide at the same time to cause a crash. The pilots were not trained and were not aware of new systems. Otherwise they would realise they must switch off the flught augmentation system. Other failiures happen in all planes but you need to be aware. If you loose brakes in your car driving 70mph on a motorway but nobody told you about that red light flashing on you dashbooard and you are not aware of how breaking system works and you were not aware of that light, then you can end up tapping the light like in the movies, where they run out of fuel. Instead of focusing on that silly behavoiur you should focus on speed reduction and use the hand brake (if you are aware of its existance), etc. By the time you analyse everything you may end up in a dtich.

 

All 373 Max are grounded becasue they simply cannot fail. There is more politics than enineering. Federal Aviation Administration had to ground them becasue when you make some significant  changes then you may loose the certification as you end up with a slightly different product. And FAA overlooked that too. Now they want to preserve their face, Boeing cannot face any other crahs of that model and people in general don't think. So if another Boeing falls of the sky people will begin panicking, the sales will stop, etc.

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by מתתיהו

[New World Explorer]

4 hours ago, מתתיהו said:

So if another Boeing falls of the sky people will begin panicking, the sales will stop, etc.

No matter what.. shot ...technical problems ..my confidence is already shaken ..will look booking with airbus for next flight.

Too many Boeing's  falling down, kind of "fed' up with it.

[Memeber212]

Just make sure your Airbus flight is not taking place over a war theatre.

[New World Explorer]

5 minutes ago, מתתיהו said:

Just make sure your Airbus flight is not taking place over a war theatre.

Qantas is adjusting new flight routes ...

 

Two Qantas flights that fly through Iranian and Iraqi airspace will be impacted -- the Perth-London return journey -- Flights QF9 and QF10.

"We’re adjusting our flight paths over the Middle East to avoid the airspace over Iraq and Iran until further notice," Qantas told 10 daily.

https://10daily.com.au/news/australia/a200108ircbp/qantas-makes-urgent-changes-to-flights-in-response-to-us-iran-tensions-20200108

Edited January 9, 2020 by New World Explorer

[Miss Bea]

10 hours ago, Old said:

Just got to speak up, though I agree with Shawnsters statement, at the present they are 100% safe. The plane was and is safe, the pilots were not!

As a pilot I am well aware that the first responsibilty is to fly the plane. You don't start thowing switches and depending on atomatic functions that are misbehaving. Almost all well trained an experience US 737 Max pilots said they would have no trouble recovering given the same circumstance. The pilot in command was being countered by the far less experienced first officer. One thing I absolutely do not understand is why when the nose dropped below the horizon they failed to reduce power, that is fundemental since piper cub days.

Boeing was in error when they decided to make stall recovery fool proof. There will always be a fool to prove you wrong.

US and UK 1st officers will typically have several thousand hours before they get the privilege  of sitting in the right seat. Not so third world pilots.

Did I make serious mistakes flying? absolutely.

One night time I flew into a rain squall while bringing my wife back from Porland. The lights of Salem below the plane disapeard. I did a stupid thing, I rolled into a sharp left bank to turn around. lost all semblance of attitude control. When we dropped throught bottom of the sqaull  I saw the lights of Salem in the top of the windshield and the airspeed was well into the red zone, this is called a death spiral. I did not start throwing switches and rolling in down nose trim. Fly the plane stupid! Power all the wall back, slowly pull back on the yoke, reduce airspeed, roll upright. My wife was basically unconcerned she thoughy my quick recovery movements were because of the noise of the rain and hail on the plane.

I was totally wrong in finding myself in that squall at night, after all I had flown the reverse of this route an hour previous with no rain. The rain squalls were in the forcast. I should not have tried do a 180 to get out of it, a BAD gut reaction. I had become complacent ignoring the forcast squalls, we were twenty minutes from home base, I expected to see the lights of Eugene any moment. I could have crashed, there woull be no suvivor (or wings on the plane). It happens a lot in Oregon.

But when push comes to shove I did what my instrutor had pounded into my ear, before anything else 'FLY THE PLANE!' I should have flown straight ahead, monitored the instuments and in 15 seconds we would have been clear of the squall. 

I did not explain my bad judgment to my wife until were were driving home from the airport. She said she did not see me lose my cool.

What ever happens the first rule is fly the plane! Engine quits? fly the plane! Electrical goes out at night, fly the plane! Run away trim on take off, fly the plane!  (Actually that was the scariest event, but too many details to explain here. But it was my fault.)

I got to be a much better pilot after getting hundreds of more hours than the the 1st officer in the Ethiopian crash.

I would gladly take a trip on a 737 Max tomorrow, no problem.

Air France Fligh 447 crashed because all five of the crew were trying to figure what was wrong with the instruments. Nobody was flying the plane. At least Airbus did not have to recertify the A330, just change the arrangement of the of the air sensors. Sound familiar.

 

Thanks for listening, I don't get much of a chance to discuss flying on this forum.  

 

 

Brother, my mouth went dry as I read this. But, my first thought, as I read this. Brother, I love you! And, you have a life that is so interesting. Thanks for sharing. 

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation/h_b5bcdf6b67af8819b2697feabc070d67

[Memeber212]

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation/h_b5bcdf6b67af8819b2697feabc070d67

So they read my post.

[Lee49]

Evidently ! 😧

[.Ivan.]

I also suspected in missile..

[booboo]

 

Off topic But, Love the selfie 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by booboo

[booboo]

Back on topic, saw this article in my newsfeed  about possibly the plane was shot down.

https://apple.news/AB5vtfpZcQxO38jI4VEb8DQ

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation

[Wren]

10 hours ago, מתתיהו said:

Just make sure your Airbus flight is not taking place over a war theatre.

Agreed, but the world in the last days is so unpredictable. Could be safe when boarding the plane and missiles flying mid-flight.

[Dustparticle]

Check this out: https://www.bbc.com/news

[carlos]

I too think it's very likely that the plane was shot down.

 

It's interesting that just a few minutes after the plane crashed, before the rescue teams had even arrived to the place, the authorities were already stating that it was an accident due to a technical failure. How on earth could they know that so soon? They couldn't know that until the blackbox was found and its contents studied.

 

It seems quite evident to me that they were trying to pass the buck.

[BenJepthah]

Que conspiracy theories to spin this as a CIA plot. 

[Miss Bea]

Accidentally, shot down or not. . Was supposed to be aimed at a base? Hmmm. 56 die in a stampede at that mans funeral, 176 in this plane. Someone had best look at their hands. They need washing. Red stuff. 

[New World Explorer]

My initial reaction to the news, was ...what? Another Boeing crashed? Thus, my reservation flying them kicked in ... but it increasingly appears that the plane was indeed shot down .... so far from mechanical issues ...