Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[trottigy]

4 minutes ago, Dark King said:

I wonder if US and Russia will become friends by way of the Us churches and the Russian Orthodox Church.

 

https://youtu.be/02P_jcSHWrw?si=N5hLp-2hYhNGAFeD

 

Quote

Russian intelligence agents have tried to recruit sources from churches in the United States, leading to an intervention by the FBI, according to a recent story.

 

The September 14 story in Foreign Affairs detailed how the FBI warned Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox Christian parishes about possible efforts of Russian spies to use their churches for recruitment. One suspected Russian agent was allegedly willing to blackmail church members.

From a year ago, eh

https://www.newsweek.com/russias-trying-recruit-spies-us-churches-report-1828953

 

It looks like the US did its best to shut that down.

 

[Dark King]

27 minutes ago, trottigy said:

From a year ago, eh

https://www.newsweek.com/russias-trying-recruit-spies-us-churches-report-1828953

 

It looks like the US did its best to shut that down.

 

 

They got a lot of work to do. 

 

Our kind of strongman

Vladimir Putin is considered by many American evangelicals to be the defender of an ethnically homogenous “Christian society”. Putin himself is admired because he purports to protect the Russian people and Russian Orthodox Christianity against the predations and designs of those European elites who push secularism, multiculturalism, and pro-immigration polices — which are often portrayed as little more than a Trojan horse for an insidious process of Islamisation.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/michael-bird-why-american-evangelicals-venerate-putin/103550090

[bogartd]

7 hours ago, jps said:

 

hm,

looks a bit staged,

one is called a clown, 

a clown is an an actor,

the other one is indeed an actor

 

 

I kinda thought that way also. But asked myself,how can what they said, "argument/bad words between them,be of any benefit for the media / the world? plans?

Edited Saturday at 03:57 AM by bogartd

[jps]

4 hours ago, bogartd said:

I kinda thought that way also. But asked myself,how can what they said, "argument/bad words between them,be of any benefit for the media / the world? plans?

 

media will get more attention=💲

 

Mark Twain said, "If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed."

 

 

 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

From the Annual meeting: 

Yes, they will empower the United Nations so that the United Nations will be in a position to take action against false religion. Now, this adjustment in understanding also means that we have to adjust our understanding of verses 12 and 13. So if you’re in Revelation 17, please, let’s look at verses 12 and 13: “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings “for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.”

So up to now, we’ve assumed these “ten kings,” which represent all the political powers and governments in the world at the moment, did this during the last days by supporting, first of all, the League of Nations and then the United Nations. But now what do we understand this to be, seeing we understand verse 17? Well, there will come a time when all political powers on earth, which includes many who have never been part of the seven world powers, will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the United Nations to try to solve some of the problems in the world.

 

So current events are actually going in the right directions as nations are not able to "solve" problems including Ukrainian War. Instead politicians engage in angry outburst and arrogance. 

[Áine]

I will say this only once in my best neutral voice…. Putin, Trump and Vance are all vile bullies and it was shameful, but what more do we expect

 

 I’m just back from shopping and three people have asked me if I watched the TV yesterday… and then commented how angry they were regarding that debate

 

 I had some good conversations though…. We’re just grateful for Jehovah and it will be so interesting to see how all of this plays out.

[Richie]

Ukraine clash with Trump is part of the piece. Excited to see how this piece clarifies the picture ahead... 

[Tortuga]

19 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

This is an open argument between Trump and Zelenskyy; WOW!

OTOH it may just be negotiation tactics and doesn't mean anything.

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

So current events are actually going in the right directions as nations are not able to "solve" problems including Ukrainian War. Instead politicians engage in angry outburst and arrogance

If NATO gets weaker and USA takes Russia s side the rest of the world will see the need to extinguish the UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL with veto power 

The power may be switched back to the 193 countries that represent the UN general assembly with EQUAL power each one of them

then majority can make things happen without veto blocks 

[Sofia]

3 hours ago, Richie said:

Ukraine clash with Trump is part of the piece. Excited to see how this piece clarifies the picture ahead... 

 

[Mike047]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

 will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the United Nations to try to solve some of the problems in the world.

I believe that they will not see the need at all. Brother Geoffrey Jackson said that 'God will put it into their minds' to give their sovereign authority to the UN. It will not be their choice to do so.

[Ahuvah]

8 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

From the Annual meeting: 

Yes, they will empower the United Nations so that the United Nations will be in a position to take action against false religion. Now, this adjustment in understanding also means that we have to adjust our understanding of verses 12 and 13. So if you’re in Revelation 17, please, let’s look at verses 12 and 13: “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings “for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.”

So up to now, we’ve assumed these “ten kings,” which represent all the political powers and governments in the world at the moment, did this during the last days by supporting, first of all, the League of Nations and then the United Nations. But now what do we understand this to be, seeing we understand verse 17? Well, there will come a time when all political powers on earth, which includes many who have never been part of the seven world powers, will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the United Nations to try to solve some of the problems in the world.

 

 

Just want to clarify my friend, this is verbatim yes? Or a summary?

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Mike047 said:

I believe that they will not see the need at all. Brother Geoffrey Jackson said that 'God will put it into their minds' to give their sovereign authority to the UN. It will not be their choice to do so.

 

God will put it in their minds = they see the need. 

 

From their point of view they will not know it's Jehovah's thought. Therefore, they will think it's their idea. 

[Desert Dan]

Many member countries of the United Nations, already recognize and are moving towards a change with the UN's security council, more member involvement, including the changing of Veto power.   They must get countries on board to help meet their Sustainable Goals, particularly for 2030.    These changes, must take place with a restructure to allow for the UN to have more power in solving world problems.  They readily admit the UN's current shortcomings in this regard, thus the need for a stronger, most effective UN.    It doesn't take much research to see the framework for this is already taking place.  What Jehovah does to boost them to give their full power to the UN remains to be seen.

 

However, things are definitely moving in the right direction already for things to fall in place once Jehovah gives the final push.   I watch a lot of the UN meetings, things are definitely not static, despite the world's conflicts at the moment. 

Edited Saturday at 07:18 PM by Desert Dan

[Ahuvah]

45 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

God will put it in their minds = they see the need. 

 

From their point of view they will not know it's Jehovah's thought. Therefore, they will think it's their idea. 

Which will make them take their arrogance to a new height.

 

The question I have, and I'm just trying to phrase it correctly  ... Will WE SEE Jehovah’s hand initially, or just know that it's him through what the Brothers have said? Because what if, Jehovah has stepped in already is moving the leaders now?

 

(I know, Tort, that was two questions, not one) 😆 🤣 😂 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 07:32 PM by Ahuvah

[Ahuvah]

19 minutes ago, Desert Dan said:

They must get countries on board to help meet their Sustainable Goals, particularly for 2030

No ... Jehovah does that. I don't see 2030 in the mix personally.  But I've known to be wrong before.

Edited Saturday at 07:35 PM by Ahuvah

[pnutts]

29 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

But I've known to be wrong before

 #1  I am never wrong

#2 If you think I am wrong refer to #1🥸

[Desert Dan]

34 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

No ... Jehovah does that. I don't see 2030 in the mix personally.  But I've known to be wrong before.

 

Not sure what you mean by that.   5 years is a long time from now and not saying 2030 is a special year.  But it cannot be denied that countries are seeing the weakness of the UN and are trying to increase it's reach, effectiveness, including the strength and desire of establishing international governing standards on future things.  This involves getting more involved (which includes other countries) and a push for women and youth to get involved in helping with the world's problems.  But a strong UN is needed and they clearly admit that it is weak in the state it is in.   Jehovah will make it happen as he wishes, but things are definitely being discussed by member countries of the UN.   Whether that is Jehovah's hand or not at this particularly time, I do not know, but things are moving forward and we know Jah is in control ultimately.

[BLEmom]

21 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

Which will make them take their arrogance to a new height.

 

The question I have, and I'm just trying to phrase it correctly  ... Will WE SEE Jehovah’s hand initially, or just know that it's him through what the Brothers have said? Because what if, Jehovah has stepped in already is moving the leaders now?

 

(I know, Tort, that was two questions, not one) 😆 🤣 😂 

 

 

A recently highlighted article on jw.org brought this out….

Thus, “every eye will see him” in that all people will perceive that Jesus is the one who brings God’s judgment.—Matthew 24:30.
 

The article link:  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-coming/

 

It will be interesting to see at what point all become aware that Jesus has come. 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Ahuvah said:

The question I have, and I'm just trying to phrase it correctly  ... Will WE SEE Jehovah’s hand initially, or just know that it's him through what the Brothers have said? Because what if, Jehovah has stepped in already is moving the leaders now?

 

I mean, sure? It's like this. The nations give power to the UN. We are the only people expecting that to happen. When it does, why wouldn't it be obvious to us that it's Jehovah's hand? 

 

What if Jehovah's stepped in already? Well, I guess if tomorrow we see all the nations give power to the UN, then we will know. Personally, I don't think Jehovah will need much time or that he needs to lay groundwork. He puts in their heart his thought and they go. 

 

He's Jehovah God. The nations are streams of water in his hand. Jehovah puts hooks in the jaws of Gog and jerks him where he does not want to go. It's only one thought. How much advance work does that sound like? 

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, Ahuvah said:

Just want to clarify my friend, this is verbatim yes? Or a summary?

Verbatim, from the transcript. 

[blue-jay]

1 hour ago, Ahuvah said:

... what if, Jehovah has stepped in already is moving the leaders now?

 

 

I just mentioned that to someone yesterday!

The dominoes might have already started falling. 

It seems like things are falling into place for them to hand the power to the UN. 

[Mike047]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

God will put it in their minds = they see the need. 

I think Brother Jackson's point was that they do not want to give such allegiance to the UN. There may be yet more to learn about this. The phrase 'see the need' will have a special significance under these circumstances.

[New World Explorer]

KOTS not aligning with each other again.  

USA thinking of stopping aid altogether, UK accelerates the aid. 

 

Starmer told Zelensky that Ukraine has “full backing across the UK” and reiterated his country’s commitment to support Ukraine for “as long as it will take.”Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer signed an agreement on Saturday to accelerate $2.8 billion (2.26 billion pounds) worth of loans to Ukraine.https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-zelensky-ukraine-news-03-01-25/index.html

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, BLEmom said:

It will be interesting to see at what point all become aware that Jesus has come. 

When the hand writes MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN on the wall above the UN speaker during a highly televised broadcast about P&S.