Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Cushi]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

I ve been giving serious study on Daniel prophecy 

 

*** w20 May p. 12 par. 3 Who Is “the King of the North” Today? ***
3 After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, God’s people in that vast region enjoyed “a little help”—a period of freedom. (Dan. 11:34) As a result, they were able to preach freely, and before long the number of publishers in the former Communist bloc rose to hundreds of thousands. Gradually, Russia and its allies emerged as the king of the north. As discussed in the preceding article, for a government to fill the role of the king of the north or the king of the south, it must do three things: (1) interact directly with God’s people, (2) show by its actions that it is an enemy of Jehovah and his people, and (3) compete with the rival king.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020401&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9

 

according to this reasoning is it possible that this rivalry comes to an end if they stop competing with each other?

If they stop competition and the king of the south wins supremacy won’t it bring the KOTN to an end? Even if it’s still a nation or a coalition of ally nations 

RUSSIA CHINA IRAN NK will still exist as nations even in the United Nations and serving as Kings given power to UN.

 

But can KOTN actually cease to exist if the conflict ends before GT?

 

just wondering…

It appears the KoTN will come to his end by means of God’s heavenly army. It appears he comes to his end during the GT because it happens right after he attacks God’s people, according to verse 45. Also, Ezekiel says 38:15 Gog of Magog will come from “the remotest parts of the north.” This may indicate that KoTN will lead the assualt on God’s people during the GT.

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Doug said:

 

Jesus said "This generation".  He didn't say the generation would consist of groups. That's the explanation the GB has approved due to the reality that everyone baptized and anointed when the last days began in 1914 are long gone.

 

The second group is explained as being contemporaries of the first group by reason of a substantial overlap. It's like saying the second group is an extension of the first group and, in fact, the same generation.

 

With that reasoning, is there any reason why a third group, contemporaries of the second group, isn't possible? It would only happen if the members of the second group were nearly all dead, and the emergence of a third group would be explained in the same manner as was the second group.  Out of necessity.

 

But that second group still has a lot of life in them.  The chances of a third group extension could be explained but is highly unlikely.

 

I don't think there could be a third group. How could we possibly say that someone who became anointed this year, for instance, was a contemporary of a group that died roughly thirty years ago? They clearly did not live at the same time.

[JennyM]

On 3/22/2025 at 7:22 PM, Shawnster said:

 

I think it's this particular President. His last term in office a lot of people were stirring and focused on prophecy and the dismantling of the King of the South. Then that agitation subsided during Biden's 4 years. Now the concern has returned. 

 

This particular President is a bit of a lightning rod. 

thats what I heard. Many feel that Trump would be the last president of King of the South. 

 

Well, I dont want to put my expectation .. as long as I get busy to spiritual things then Ill be fine. 

[New World Explorer]

4 hours ago, Sofia said:

But can KOTN actually cease to exist if the conflict ends before GT?

No, because of this...But reports out of the east and out of the north will disturb him, and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 
 And he will plant his royal tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. (Those words are directed to the KOTN) 

 

When he comes to the end, Jehovah still regards and addresses him as a KOTN.

He preserves the identity to the very end, at least in Jehovah's eyes. 

[Dustparticle]

No matter what we think of, at the end, Jesus will destroy all nations. Daniel 2:44.

[Dustparticle]

A new enemy? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y41z4351qo

[New World Explorer]

Impact of tariffs on consumers explained briefly here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-tariffs-work-and-what-economic-studies-show-about-their-real-impact/

[Dark King]

Yes!, Trump and Putin are good friends.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7432451el7o

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

A new enemy? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y41z4351qo

No. Enemy is definitely not the correct description 

[Dhanyel]

It would be nice if it was the last celebration, with an invitation made of such resistant material 😅😍

[Cool.As.Ice]

17 hours ago, Sofia said:

 

But can KOTN actually cease to exist if the conflict ends before GT?

No. Russia will not fall to its great rival. Anglo-America will not fall to Russia. Both are destroyed “without human hand” on A-day. Simple as that.

[New World Explorer]

US President Donald Trump says the United States needs to take over Greenland for “world peace,” as he doubled down on his ambitions to annex the strategically placed, resource-rich Danish territory.

“We are not talking about peace for the United States. We are talking about world peace. We are talking about international security,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

[Tortuga]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/usha-vance-greenland-plans-changed-after-people-refused-to-meet-her-report/ar-AA1BPBTB?ocid=socialshare

 

Apparently Greenland wasn't interested in meeting the VP's wife.

[New World Explorer]

I have heard rumor that Australia wants to take over Greenland by sending "Special Forces of Kangaroos" 

Since we have 42 million Kangaroos - the government can spare few millions ... LOL 

[JBee]

13 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

I have heard rumor that Australia wants to take over Greenland by sending "Special Forces of Kangaroos" 

Since we have 42 million Kangaroos - the government can spare few millions ... LOL 

Though I've never seen them in person, I know I wouldn't dare resist an army of kangaroos🤣

[Dustparticle]

31 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

I have heard rumor that Australia wants to take over Greenland by sending "Special Forces of Kangaroos" 

Since we have 42 million Kangaroos - the government can spare few millions ... LOL 

  I think these kangaroos represent KOTN & KOTS. China, Russia, USA & Great Britain.

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

I have heard rumor that Australia wants to take over Greenland by sending "Special Forces of Kangaroos" 

Since we have 42 million Kangaroos - the government can spare few millions ... LOL 

That will keep things hopping...

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

I have heard rumor that Australia wants to take over Greenland by sending "Special Forces of Kangaroos

 

I play the turn based strategy game Civilization VI. One of the mods for Australia lets you play as the leader of the Emus. 

[Osprey]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

I play the turn based strategy game Civilization VI. One of the mods for Australia lets you play as the leader of the Emus. 

 

Oh really... I like to play it too 

[Áine]

3 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

 

US President Donald Trump says the United States needs to take over Greenland for “world peace,” as he doubled down on his ambitions to annex the strategically placed, resource-rich Danish territory.

“We are not talking about peace for the United States. We are talking about world peace. We are talking about international security,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

I had to turn the TV off at that point because I found it increasingly harder to remain neutral 😜

[Doug]

20 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I don't think there could be a third group. How could we possibly say that someone who became anointed this year, for instance, was a contemporary of a group that died roughly thirty years ago? They clearly did not live at the same time.

 

I'm not saying there will be a third group.  But it's a mathematically possible according to Br. Splane's graph back in 2015.

 

The graph showed the year 1914 as the start for those already anointed.  Then the graph shows the end of that 1914 group was 1992.  In between is a shaded area representing the emergence of the second group. Visually, that shaded area is a strong 50% of the space between 1914 - 1992, which puts its start at around 1953.

Purposeful or not, the graph indicates an overlap of about 39 years (half of 78).

Now, we keep in mind that the 1992'ers are still going on now.  Therefore, any who became anointed in 1993 are not a part of the second group, but they have already overlapped the second group for 33 years, 1992 - 2025.

 

To summarize: The first group lasted for 78 years as anointed men and women (1914 - 1992)

                          The second group overlapped the first group for about 39 years based on the graph and continue.

                           Those anointed after 1992 have already overlapped the second group by 33 years.

We can now compare an overlap of 39 years to an overlap of 33 years.  Almost equal.  In 6 years the latter ones will exceed the overlap of groups 1 & 2.

Why don't these latter ones (1993 >) count as a third group?  Why would this overlap explanation not carry forward?

 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

15 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

I'm not saying there will be a third group.  But it's a mathematically possible according to Br. Splane's graph back in 2015.

 

The graph showed the year 1914 as the start for those already anointed.  Then the graph shows the end of that 1914 group was 1992.  In between is a shaded area representing the emergence of the second group. Visually, that shaded area is a strong 50% of the space between 1914 - 1992, which puts its start at around 1953.

Purposeful or not, the graph indicates an overlap of about 39 years (half of 78).

 

I think you got lost in the weeds. That part of the graph is not definitive, it represents a general overlap of time...and it doesn't even matter for our purposes. If we are trying to figure out how long the second group will last, we don't care about people who were anointed from 1915 on or even 1953 - we care about the people who were anointed around 1992 because they just barely qualify to be in the second group. 

 

Let's just say someone was anointed by 1992. Since Franz was 21 in 1914 and it took 78 years until he died, we'll use that math and say that a person who was 21 in 1992 lived for 78 more years. That takes us to the year 2070. That means we are expecting the end within the next 45 years. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Doug said:

The second group overlapped the first group for about 39 years based on the graph and continue.

                           Those anointed after 1992 have already overlapped the second group by 33 years.

 

SOME of the second group overlapped for about 39 years, others overlapped for 77 years and others for just 1 year. Anyone who was anointed from 1915 until 1992 is in the second group and represented by those red lines. The red lines just represent that an overlap exists - nothing special is represented by where the red lines start because that just represents the start of a hypothetical anointed one. They wanted to start farther away from 1914 so that the hypothetical anointed person represented by the red lines would have a lifespan that outlives Franz (and it doesn't even look like it starts halfway through, it looks to be 1/3).

 

26 minutes ago, Doug said:

We can now compare an overlap of 39 years to an overlap of 33 years.  Almost equal.  In 6 years the latter ones will exceed the overlap of groups 1 & 2.

Why don't these latter ones (1993 >) count as a third group?  Why would this overlap explanation not carry forward?

 

 

They don't count as a third group because they are in no way contemporaries of the first group. Their anointed lives did not overlap with those who saw the sign in 1914, so they will never be contemporaries of that first group.

[trottigy]

Note: there is a 3rd group, but NOT of "this generation". It seems reasonable to conclude that Jehovah has continued selecting anointed ones after 1992'ish. But again - those who are not "contemporary" are not of "this generation" even if they are anointed.

 

This is also true of all the anointed who passed away BEFORE 1914. They can't be part of "this generation" as they were not contemporaneous to anyone in that time period. 

Edited Saturday at 02:50 AM by trottigy

[pnutts]

Will Trump be the last president of the US?

One can only hope so and not because he becomes king or absolute ruler.

It is because A day has come and gone and nations are no more.

[Miss Bea]

6 hours ago, Áine said:

I had to turn the TV off at that point because I found it increasingly harder to remain neutral 😜

That’s about where I am. My husband keeps track of what is going on. I guess he’s considered, “liberal”. 

At this point, it is impossible to say most anything about the government. To me, there is no way to even talk about it, without violating neutrality.