Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[grain of mustard]

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

[grain of mustard]

A religião causa guerras. Não há paz com religiões. Leia Mateus 24:8. Jesus comparou a Parusia (não uma grande tribulação) à grande tribulação de Daniel. O que é uma grande tribulação? Leia Mateus 24. Parusia... então Jesus fala da grande tribulação. Vamos esperar... 

Religion causes wars. There is no peace with religions. Read Matthew 24:8. Jesus compared the Parousia (not a great tribulation) to the great tribulation of Daniel. What is a great tribulation? Read Matthew 24. Parousia... then Jesus speaks of the great tribulation. Let's wait... 

Edited Saturday at 12:20 PM by grain of mustard

[New World Explorer]

9 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

It always starts with Jehovah’s judgment executed on false religion, which will be quick and sudden and PS can be overlapping event (justification where nations are saying..we need to do this to have PS is one eventuality and there is more possible scenarios ) The Bible does not say about PS a lot .. there are still some aspects that we do not understand, therefore only patience on our part will eventually lead us to see it with our own eyes .. and then we will say … Ah…. So that’s how the prophecy is being fulfilled.

Edited Saturday at 09:09 PM by New World Explorer

[Cushi]

17 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

if the proclamation takes place after the destruction of false religion, then the destruction Paul is talking about is Armageddon, not the great tribulation.

[New World Explorer]

US President Donald Trump said Saturday he has ordered the Defense Department to prepare for possible military action in Nigeria as he continues to accuse the nation of not doing enough to stem violence against Christians.In the lengthy message, Trump said the US “may very well go into that now disgraced country, ‘guns-a-blazing,’ to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities.”https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/01/politics/trump-pentagon-nigeria-action

[Dustparticle]

On 11/1/2025 at 8:00 AM, grain of mustard said:

when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2025646#h=1:0-9:471

[JennyM]

In this urgent talk, political scientist Heni Ozi Cukier analyzes the social, economic, political and military conditions that preceded the last two world wars, revealing how historical patterns and today’s geopolitical shifts may be pointing us in a dangerously familiar direction. Connecting past and present, he challenges us to recognize the warning signs — and act before it’s too late. (Recorded at TEDxLisboa on March 15, 2025)

 

 

We are at the same pattern. This is what I thought even before. 

 

 

[vern]

Quote. Trump

 

Interesting words.

 

“My G2 meeting with President Xi of China was a great one for both of our countries,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Saturday. “This meeting will lead to everlasting peace and success. God bless both China and the USA!”

 

RT 

[GoldAussieGirl]

15 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2025646#h=1:0-9:471

Note the phrases referring to the nations handing over their power to the wild beast, it will happen with

"startling suddenness, not a gradual shift" 

Edited 20 hours ago by GoldAussieGirl

[shali]

Personally, just like I've always felt that the door would not be shut to right hearted individuals when the GT starts, I've also always felt that it would be the destruction of false religion that would bring about the worldwide declaration of Peace and Security.  Just think of the wealth that each country will be able to pocket once religion is gone - man has always associated wealth with security.  Over and over again, false religion has proven to be a hinderance to real and lasting peace.  Makes perfect sense to me that this P & S declaration could very well come after false religion is done away with.  And if that is the case, this gives us even more reason to rejoice because the bible says that "sudden destruction" (perhaps of Satan's political system) will come afterwards - that to me indicates that we won't be enduring the GT for years upon years before Jehovah acts.  It also makes sense to me that once Satan's religious system is thoroughly and completely destroyed - that is when he turns to attack us - his revenge will be immediate in order to wipe out Jehovah's people the way Jehovah wiped out his false religious system.  It will be interesting to see how things unfold.