Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[grain of mustard]

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

[grain of mustard]

A religião causa guerras. Não há paz com religiões. Leia Mateus 24:8. Jesus comparou a Parusia (não uma grande tribulação) à grande tribulação de Daniel. O que é uma grande tribulação? Leia Mateus 24. Parusia... então Jesus fala da grande tribulação. Vamos esperar... 

Religion causes wars. There is no peace with religions. Read Matthew 24:8. Jesus compared the Parousia (not a great tribulation) to the great tribulation of Daniel. What is a great tribulation? Read Matthew 24. Parousia... then Jesus speaks of the great tribulation. Let's wait... 

Edited Saturday at 12:20 PM by grain of mustard

[New World Explorer]

9 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

It always starts with Jehovah’s judgment executed on false religion, which will be quick and sudden and PS can be overlapping event (justification where nations are saying..we need to do this to have PS is one eventuality and there is more possible scenarios ) The Bible does not say about PS a lot .. there are still some aspects that we do not understand, therefore only patience on our part will eventually lead us to see it with our own eyes .. and then we will say … Ah…. So that’s how the prophecy is being fulfilled.

Edited Saturday at 09:09 PM by New World Explorer

[Cushi]

17 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to write anything to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of Jehovah is coming exactly like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction will come upon them instantly, just as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Immediately after peace and security comes Armageddon. If peace and security are after the elimination of Babylon, when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

if the proclamation takes place after the destruction of false religion, then the destruction Paul is talking about is Armageddon, not the great tribulation.

[New World Explorer]

US President Donald Trump said Saturday he has ordered the Defense Department to prepare for possible military action in Nigeria as he continues to accuse the nation of not doing enough to stem violence against Christians.In the lengthy message, Trump said the US “may very well go into that now disgraced country, ‘guns-a-blazing,’ to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities.”https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/01/politics/trump-pentagon-nigeria-action

[Dustparticle]

On 11/1/2025 at 8:00 AM, grain of mustard said:

when does the Great Tribulation begin? 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2025646#h=1:0-9:471

[JennyM]

In this urgent talk, political scientist Heni Ozi Cukier analyzes the social, economic, political and military conditions that preceded the last two world wars, revealing how historical patterns and today’s geopolitical shifts may be pointing us in a dangerously familiar direction. Connecting past and present, he challenges us to recognize the warning signs — and act before it’s too late. (Recorded at TEDxLisboa on March 15, 2025)

 

 

We are at the same pattern. This is what I thought even before. 

 

 

[vern]

Quote. Trump

 

Interesting words.

 

“My G2 meeting with President Xi of China was a great one for both of our countries,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Saturday. “This meeting will lead to everlasting peace and success. God bless both China and the USA!”

 

RT 

[GoldAussieGirl]

15 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2025646#h=1:0-9:471

Note the phrases referring to the nations handing over their power to the wild beast, it will happen with

"startling suddenness, not a gradual shift" 

Edited Monday at 09:17 PM by GoldAussieGirl

[shali]

Personally, just like I've always felt that the door would not be shut to right hearted individuals when the GT starts, I've also always felt that it would be the destruction of false religion that would bring about the worldwide declaration of Peace and Security.  Just think of the wealth that each country will be able to pocket once religion is gone - man has always associated wealth with security.  Over and over again, false religion has proven to be a hinderance to real and lasting peace.  Makes perfect sense to me that this P & S declaration could very well come after false religion is done away with.  And if that is the case, this gives us even more reason to rejoice because the bible says that "sudden destruction" (perhaps of Satan's political system) will come afterwards - that to me indicates that we won't be enduring the GT for years upon years before Jehovah acts.  It also makes sense to me that once Satan's religious system is thoroughly and completely destroyed - that is when he turns to attack us - his revenge will be immediate in order to wipe out Jehovah's people the way Jehovah wiped out his false religious system.  It will be interesting to see how things unfold.  

[navco]

I know it will be sudden the switch to the un gaining power and destroying religion by Jehovah but i think something terriible something nuclear or some type of terroist act thats unprecedented will happen first to set it off but Jehovah will do what he wants

Edited 9 hours ago by navco

[Áine]

1 hour ago, navco said:

I know it will be sudden the switch to the un gaining power and destroying religion by Jehovah but i think something terriible something nuclear or some type of terroist act thats unprecedented will happen first to set it off but Jehovah will do what he wants

I’ve thought the same thing more or less… there will have to be a reason for it to happen!  If it was just world conditions then I feel that it would have happened by now.

 

 Not sure about nuclear but it could well be some kind of international religious backed event

[Ali Duce]

And what about celestial phenomena when they occur?"

[Shawnster]

And yet if I understand correctly.... 

 

Jehovah gives the nations his one thought to give their authority to the UN. That alone could be momentous enough for the nations to feel they have achieved an unprecedented level of peace and security. Their next idea to destroy false religion does not need to be the result of nuclear conflict, especially since such a conflict might be contrary to their notion of peace and security. Since we aren't a direct threat, the pause in the destruction might feel natural. It's understandable that people who lost their former religion will, out of jealousy, instigate the final attack on God's people. 

 

 

[navco]

But now since a article has came out for feb 2026  that peace and security could happen after the destruction of religion peace and security is not needed and thats the reason im saying something crazy could happen right before the un gains power just a thought

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

And yet if I understand correctly.... 

 

Jehovah gives the nations his one thought to give their authority to the UN. That alone could be momentous enough for the nations to feel they have achieved an unprecedented level of peace and security. Their next idea to destroy false religion does not need to be the result of nuclear conflict, especially since such a conflict might be contrary to their notion of peace and security. Since we aren't a direct threat, the pause in the destruction might feel natural. It's understandable that people who lost their former religion will, out of jealousy, instigate the final attack on God's people. 

 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by navco

[Áine]

We have our CO this week and in his talk this evening he made a point of mentioning that we will not get through the coming tribulation on our own and that we need each other and not to isolate ourselves

 

 He also made the point of being so close… I’m sure this is being repeated in all congregations

[Shawnster]

50 minutes ago, navco said:

But now since a article has came out for feb 2026  that peace and security could happen after the destruction of religion peace and security is not needed and thats the reason im saying something crazy could happen right before the un gains power just a thought

 

 

 

Yes, something crazy could happen. Something crazy could always happen. Many of us, myself included, have always believed that something crazy needs to happen. It's refreshing to now understand that something crazy does not need to happen or that Jehovah's thought might be the crazy thing that happens.

 

I find it encouraging that we no longer need to feel something crazy from a negative news point of view needs to happen to motivate the nations. 

[Doug]

8 hours ago, shali said:

Just think of the wealth that each country will be able to pocket once religion is gone - man has always associated wealth with security.  Over and over again, false religion has proven to be a hinderance to real and lasting peace. 

 

 It also makes sense to me that once Satan's religious system is thoroughly and completely destroyed - that is when he turns to attack us - his revenge will be immediate in order to wipe out Jehovah's people the way Jehovah wiped out his false religious system.  

 

Two good points.

 

I'm interested in the US Supreme Court hearing regarding tariffs.  The United States has a debt of $38,000,000,000,000.  Social security is unsustainable. If the court decides that Trump exceeds his authority by slapping tariffs on foreign nations, it would have a severe impact on any chance of getting the debt to come down.

 

I imagine the scenario where the court decides against the administration and then the government has to consider the tax exempt status of religions. Taxing religion could easily lead to a revolt which could escalate to the destruction of BtG.

 

And, taxing religion could unite the nations on that one topic. Rev. 17:17

 

Furthermore, if the governments decide to tax religion, won't they be surprised when JW's accept their decision and willingly pay up.  Could JW's possibly escape the wrath of the empowered UN simply because we are in compliance with the tax?

 

Nevertheless, when we are the last religion standing, Gog of Magog will attack because we continue to preach that Jesus Christ and his co-rulers are going to put an end to human governments.

[Dhanyel]

If we previously understood that the declaration of “peace and security” would be the sign that Jehovah’s Day was near, now, with the possibility that this declaration might occur after the destruction of false religion, what then will be the sign indicating that Jehovah’s Day is about to begin?

Could it be that we too will be caught by surprise, just as a thief comes without warning?

[Julsey]

I just don’t think anything has to happen apart from Jehovah putting the thought into the hearts of those governing that they should turn their power over to the UN.

[JennyM]

Don't be surprised by sudden changes. 

Attack of false religions & peace and security may overlap. Im too busy to think about which is first or 2nd event. As long as this system will end, Im good with that. 

[ChrisW]

3 hours ago, Áine said:

We have our CO this week and in his talk this evening he made a point of mentioning that we will not get through the coming tribulation on our own and that we need each other and not to isolate ourselves

 

 He also made the point of being so close… I’m sure this is being repeated in all congregations

Our CO is visiting also this week.  He said that we need to become a strong family.  To focus on the positives of our brothers because we need each other as we get closer to the end. 

[Shawnster]

35 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

what then will be the sign indicating that Jehovah’s Day is about to begin?

 

His giving the one thought to the nations to give the UN authority. 

 

What would we see? The UN being given authority. 

[cricket246]

Just curious, which magazine are we talking about? I think I missed something O.O lol

[Cushi]

5 hours ago, Ali Duce said:

And what about celestial phenomena when they occur?"

In Matthew 24:29, Jesus states that it will occur immediately after the tribulation, so after the destruction of false religion, or during the respite.
 

²⁹ “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,fand the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.g

 

We still do not know if this will be literal or not. It could very well be, since Luke’s account of Jesus’ words says people will be fainting from what they observe. 
I imagine, if it is literal, Jehovah’s intent won’t be to scare people, but to give stubborn ones a last-minute reason for repentance. What else would prove God’s existence and the need to repent than unexplained darkness and stars ‘falling’?

 

In verse 30, Jesus says:

Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,hand they will see the Son of mani coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.*j

If it will be literal, it may be that the whole world is engulfed in darkness. “The sun  will be dark when it rises” like Isaiah 13:10 says, only to be broken up by the radiant light of the “sign of the son of man.” That would be spectacular to see!