Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[daydream]

10 hours ago, Watching and Waiting said:

with a slight roll of the tongue

 

[johnnyjw01]

In my opinion, Jehovah in his patience will wait for the world’s conditions to become even worse before bringing the end, so that He will have no choice but to execute His judgment. We’ll probably have to wait a bit longer, unless something sudden happens, like a world war. What do you think? Am I too pessimistic?

Edited yesterday at 05:05 PM by johnnyjw01

[Shawnster]

50 minutes ago, johnnyjw01 said:

In my opinion, Jehovah in his patience will wait for the world’s conditions to become even worse before bringing the end, so that He will have no choice but to execute His judgment. We’ll probably have to wait a bit longer, unless something sudden happens, like a world war. What do you think? Am I too pessimistic?

 

I think this has always been everyone's opinion. 

 

We all had no idea just how bad conditions could or would get. Every time we think we are at the limit, it gets worse in an unimagined way. 

 

I mean, did any of us foresee a time when people would not even agree on what a man and woman are? 

[minister159]

On 5/26/2025 at 7:31 AM, LeolaRootStew said:

That's an intriguing viewpoint to have. I think if someone is planning on turning their life around at the "last minute", they must view following Jehovah's standards now as too extreme, too burdensome, or too scary. When they come face to face with the trials of the GT, how are they going to view them? Likely, as too extreme, too burdensome, and too scary.

Yes, and how does that attitude fit in with what Jesus said:

 

"Now a man said to him: “Lord, are those being saved few?” He said to them: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door,+ because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." --- Luke 13:23,24

 

Study note:

Because the background of this expression is connected with competition in the athletic games, some have suggested that the effort Jesus encouraged may be compared to an athlete’s exerting himself vigorously with all his power to win the prize, straining every nerve, as it were.

 

[New World Explorer]

1 hour ago, johnnyjw01 said:

In my opinion, Jehovah in his patience will wait for the world’s conditions to become even worse before bringing the end, so that He will have no choice but to execute His judgment. We’ll probably have to wait a bit longer, unless something sudden happens, like a world war. What do you think? Am I too pessimistic?

See Daily Text for Tuesday, especially the very first sentence. 

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, johnnyjw01 said:

In my opinion, Jehovah in his patience will wait for the world’s conditions to become even worse before bringing the end, so that He will have no choice but to execute His judgment. We’ll probably have to wait a bit longer, unless something sudden happens, like a world war. What do you think? Am I too pessimistic?

Our current understanding is that Jehovah has established a date when he will act, it is not determined by changing world conditions.

 

*** w25 June p. 15 par. 4 Modestly Accept What You Do Not Know ***
Jehovah has scheduled the time for the end of this system, but we are not in a position to figure out precisely when that will be.
 

[grain of mustard]

Jeová já cronometrou tudo. Pode ser que, no domínio celestial, alguém além de Jeová saiba os dados; Portanto, quer a situação piore ou não, as profecias se cumpram, e aqueles que não quiserem ver isso não terão desculpas. 

 

Jehovah has already timed everything. It may be that in the heavenly realm, someone other than Jehovah knows the data; therefore, whether the situation worsens or not, the prophecies will be fulfilled, and those who do not want to see this will have no excuse. 

Edited yesterday at 07:23 PM by grain of mustard

[jdcarlson]

4 hours ago, johnnyjw01 said:

In my opinion, Jehovah in his patience will wait for the world’s conditions to become even worse before bringing the end,

 

Jesus indicated that Jehovah has set the date and hour:

 

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."

Matthew 24:36

 

It is not a matter of Jehovah waiting on world conditions. It is a matter of Jehovah arranging matters to happen on his time table.

 

Jesus said Jehovah knows the "day and hour" when he will cause things to happen.

 

So, when is that?  We do not know. In the past various ones have pointed to specific dates. Some even lost their faith when things did not happen when they expected.

 

It is not up to us to know when. It is only up to Jehovah to know.

 

We just have to be patient and wait on him.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

[Doug]

Mt 24:8  may suggest that like birth pains the foretold troubles and suffering will increase in frequency, intensity and duration in the time period before the great tribulation.

 

The intensity of the pushing between the KotN and KotS seems to be at another level.  Rhetoric between the White House and the Kremlin quickly escalated Tuesday.  Dmitry Medvedev responded to a post by Trump with "Regarding Trump's words about Putin 'playing with fire' and 'really bad things' happening to Russia, I only know of one REALLY BAD thing - WWIII.  I hope Trump understands this! ".

 

Add to that, Iran and Israel are again calling down evil on each other.

[Shawnster]

5 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Our current understanding is that Jehovah has established a date when he will act, it is not determined by changing world conditions.

 

 

 

Does Jehovah h having a set date necessarily contradict the idea that conditions on Earth will be at their absolute worst at the time of Armageddon? 

[Aria]

On 5/21/2025 at 1:19 PM, JennyM said:

Oh my , this image will literally come true.. It just shows that we have the truth and Jesus through Governing Body knows the future in advance. 

 

 

I have found sthg interesting:

 

Book of Revelation, chapter 20, par. 17

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Revelation-Its-Grand-Climax-At-Hand/A-Multitudinous-Great-Crowd

 

W07 1/1, par. 11

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20070101/The-First-Resurrection-Now-Under-Way

 

 

 

 

[Aria]

 

''This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.''

[vern]

Just highlights commentary issues.

 

But the great crowd obviously are very closely associated with the 144000 spiritually speaking in cooperating in serving Jehovah.

 

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[grain of mustard]

15 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

O fato de Jeová ter uma data definida contradiz necessariamente a ideia de que as condições na Terra estarão no seu pior momento no Armagedom? 

The earth is at its worst moment since 1914. 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Brothers, I do not want to discuss when this date is. The question I want to raise is another: is day and hour the same as date? 

[LeolaRootStew]

I don't think the end date is determined by a need to "step in at the last possible moment" before it's too late to save the earth or humanity, as if we are forcing Jehovah's hand. It's his timetable.

[CadenR]

Exactly, the Earths not gonna be on the very verge of destruction before the end comes. Jesus even said that The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness in Luke 17:20. It's not gonna be so obvious that the end is near so that everybody knows it 100%. Jesus said it would take some looking into things to see the signs, which is why he told us to keep on the watch. It won't delay since Jehovah can change things to ensure the outcome he desires! 👍

[Timl1980]

59 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Does Jehovah h having a set date necessarily contradict the idea that conditions on Earth will be at their absolute worst at the time of Armageddon?

 

This paragraph helped me a lot as I was recently reviewing this subject in depth. 

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603#h=18:0-18:485

 

 

10 Read Luke 21:25-28. During the great tribulation, people will be shocked as they see everything that they once thought to be so stable in the world begin to fail. They will be in “anguish,” fearing for their very lives as they enter the darkest period of human existence. (Zeph. 1:14, 15) At that time, life will likely get more difficult even for Jehovah’s people. Because we remain no part of the world, we may suffer some hardships. We may have to go without certain necessities.

[Aria]

1 hour ago, vern said:

Just highlights commentary issues.

 

But the great crowd obviously are very closely associated with the 144000 spiritually speaking in cooperating in serving Jehovah.

 

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I just wanted to say that previous study articles relate a direct link between the 144000 and the anointed ones on earth on the explanation of prophecies.

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, Doug said:

Mt 24:8  may suggest that like birth pains the foretold troubles and suffering will increase in frequency, intensity and duration in the time period before the great tribulation.

 

The intensity of the pushing between the KotN and KotS seems to be at another level.  Rhetoric between the White House and the Kremlin quickly escalated Tuesday.  Dmitry Medvedev responded to a post by Trump with "Regarding Trump's words about Putin 'playing with fire' and 'really bad things' happening to Russia, I only know of one REALLY BAD thing - WWIII.  I hope Trump understands this! ".

 

Add to that, Iran and Israel are again calling down evil on each other.

There is so much focus on Ukraine etc, but I do think that situation with Iran (clerical religion based. Government) is of paramount significance. Namely their refusal to accept of not enriching uranium presented by the West. It will come to a head … and when it comes “religion” will come to the fore. I never could imagine how destruction of false religion can come about in the Middle East but in fact Iran and what happens there could lead to something more serious. 

[ChrisW]

9 hours ago, Aria said:

sthg

Please. Not everybody knows what this means. 

[Dages]

11 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

Please. Not everybody knows what this means. 

something

Edited 13 hours ago by Dages

[New World Explorer]

40 minutes ago, Dages said:

something

Otot… 🫣

[ChrisW]

1 hour ago, Dages said:

something

That's what I get for reading in the middle of the night...lol thank you

[LeolaRootStew]

remember, some people have to use translators 💜

[Áine]

13 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

Does Jehovah h having a set date necessarily contradict the idea that conditions on Earth will be at their absolute worst at the time of Armageddon? 

No not at all, We know that Jehovah has had this date fixed since the very beginning, life will still be going on, some people will be in a war situation or undergoing truly awful situations… others will be living the good life and have their heads throughly buried…

 

It doesn’t have to reach a certain level of anarchy within the world in order for Jehovah to act

 

 Also no amount of praying for God’s kingdom to come will make it arrive any earlier, we cannot make Jehovah move the date closer… we can stay busy which will make the time pass quicker

 

 By asking for Jehovahs kingdom to come shows Jehovah that is what we want to see.