Watchtower - study edition - SEPTEMBER 2022

[Dustparticle]

10 minutes ago, Doug said:

I went ahead and started with 9,000,000.  The reference John provided had us at 6M.

 

To highlight that last 24 years further;  That's 288 months with 32,000,000 coming back each month.

 

Also caused me to wonder , how fast can Jesus resurrect?   Does he have any kind of production limit?  Do the laws of physics somehow apply?  What amount of time would be required to restore an individuals entire memory of their life experiences?

If I'm right, if all be resurrected (20 Billion) within 500 years. Then 111,000 will have to rise per day and 40,000,000 per year.

[Doug]

20 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

If I'm right, if all be resurrected (20 Billion) within 500 years. Then 111,000 will have to rise per day and 40,000,000 per year.

Yes, but the formula suggested by the FDS is laid out so that the resurrected ones who did not know Jehovah never outnumber us.  Imagine there are 9,000,000 of the great crowd and one year later there are 40,000,000 mostly from the world. That scenario is one reason why we thought perhaps all the righteous would be restored before the billions of the world.  To bolster our ranks. And I seem to recall it was viewed as a reward for faithfulness, to be restored before the world comes back and see how it all unfolds.

 

OTOH - A sequential scenario working backwards makes sense too.  

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

that is... ?

Well, there probably are more variables than my simple spread sheet originally for, but I had a similar thought to Doug:

Also caused me to wonder , how fast can Jesus resurrect?   Does he have any kind of production limit?
... 32,000,000 coming back each month.

So 32 million coming back each month, I wanted to add a column in my spreadsheet to work out what the turnaround time would be per individual, but looking at the 'heavenly' components.
On earth the spreadsheet allowed a 'growth' variable that could be set at 3% p.a. So there would be 33 individuals supporting the resurrected one. As the human family grows, this number increases from around 180,000 annually to (let's say) 32 million monthly.
Roughly speaking, that is 10 per second.
I am assuming the individuals themselves have had their names written in the 'book of life', so we do not have to make an allowance for 'judging time' - to see if one is worthy of resurrection. (Primarily needed I suppose when Jesus separates sheep v goats).
This made we wonder, (as Doug said) about any 'production limits'.
Is 10 per second do-able?
While we do not know the answer, I was intrigued by the numbers...

Old (Downunder) Tone

[jwhess]

Jehovah resurrected Jesus in an "instant" (more or less).  During that moment. Jehovah had to recreate a spirit person which is obviously more complicated and a mere earthly body and make him immortal (which he had never done before).  Then in that same moment, he had to put back Jesus  entire memory which included every thought and action Jesus ever had, did or watched in a lifetime that stretched farther tan anyone in all history except Jehovah.  My instructor in SCE school pointed out that since Jesus was aware and participated in almost every act of creation, God had to repeat in Jesus mind the entire creation in both heaven and on earth in just an instant.  The instructor referred to this as the greatest act of creation in the universe since it happened in just a moment.

 

I don't think Jesus will have any trouble resurrecting a simple human with a limited lifetime of memories in 10 seconds.

[Dages]

1 hour ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

This made we wonder, (as Doug said) about any 'production limits'.
Is 10 per second do-able?

Jehovah is the source of the process, there is absolutely no imaginable limit.

Edited July 5, 2022 by Dages

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Jehovah is the source of the process, there is absolutely no imaginable limit.

Good to know. Ty

Old (Downunder) Tone

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Jehovah resurrected Jesus in an "instant" (more or less)...
I don't think Jesus will have any trouble resurrecting a simple human with a limited lifetime of memories in 10 seconds.

Excellent (that's 12.34 individuals per second - but point taken)
I will not have to make any changes on my spreadsheet!

Old (Downunder) Tone

[Dustparticle]

3 hours ago, Doug said:

Yes, but the formula suggested by the FDS is laid out so that the resurrected ones who did not know Jehovah never outnumber us.  Imagine there are 9,000,000 of the great crowd and one year later there are 40,000,000 mostly from the world. That scenario is one reason why we thought perhaps all the righteous would be restored before the billions of the world.  To bolster our ranks. And I seem to recall it was viewed as a reward for faithfulness, to be restored before the world comes back and see how it all unfolds.

 

OTOH - A sequential scenario working backwards makes sense too.  

With all the numbers being mentioned, imagine there is KH on every corner. That is my point.  Twenty Billion is a lot of people. About 10 Million of us cannot stop the numbers what I mentioned above. First, they need a place to live and prepare to study with them. It takes time.

[JohnFromOz]

I wonder whether we may need to update these calculations now. A quick Google search on how many people ever lived gives me 107 billion. Even though not all of them may be resurrected that’s still a pretty huge number!

[Thomas Walker]

6 minutes ago, JohnFromOz said:

I wonder whether we may need to update these calculations now. A quick Google search on how many people ever lived gives me 107 billion. Even though not all of them may be resurrected that’s still a pretty huge number!

107B according to science, going back to the Cavemen.

 

20B according to the Society, going back to Genesis.

 

We keep great records of meeting attendance and baptisms. I wonder if in the New World we'll have a precise count of the population. All of us being forever young, it might even be possible.

[Dages]

7 minutes ago, Thomas Walker said:

20B according to the Society, going back to Genesis.

in the 80's, but even if it's 100B, it's not a problem, we can deal with it way before the end of the 1000 years. The google sheet we had before did the maths

[Doug]

14 hours ago, Thomas Walker said:

107B according to science, going back to the Cavemen.

 

20B according to the Society, going back to Genesis

Putting the 107 to the test:   It's been 6045 years since the first man was created.

 

If 107 billion have lived in 6045 years,  that's an average of 17.8 million per year !!!

 

Google says the earth's population reached one billion in 1804.  5829 years post-creation.

 

Obviously the science community are working from a whole different assumption.  Cavemen.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Doug