Ukraine starts imprisoning Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Korotkiy]

As far as I know only one brother has been convicted but appealing.

We were on the KH  construction last week and have heard broadcast of morning worship from the Bethel. Brother prayed about many brothers who are in a war camps at the moment.

This is a standard procedure to force to wear military uniform and become soldier. Forcefullly take to military camp and frequently confiscate cell phone.

Sad...

[Cool.As.Ice]

If I remember correctly, similar tactics were tried during WWII. Another one of Satan’s methods to force our brothers to compromise their neutrality.

 

You all are in my thoughts and prayers. We need Jehovah to step in soon, but He has everything under control.

[Korotkiy]

According to news, a 3rd brother has got 3-year prison term

https://tsn-ua.translate.goog/ukrayina/cholovik-priyshov-do-tck-i-zayaviv-scho-yogo-ne-mobilizuyut-cherez-boga-yak-ce-zakinchilos-2656929.html?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=uk&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Situation is getting worse. As I heard today, about 60 brothers has already run away from military camps (where they has been taken unlawfully) and many are in a process of criminal prosecution.

 

[Osprey]

https://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2939

 

281 criminal cases were opened involving our brothers until now. Some of them are already sentenced to jail.

 

From the article:

 

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Officials in Recruitment Offices and military units are subjecting men – including conscientious objectors - to arbitrary detention, pressure and torture to try to force them to accept mobilisation. Officials attempt to pressure men to join the military with verbal arguments, detention (sometimes for several months), deprivation of food, threats of imprisonment or unspecified consequences, and torture, including beatings.

 

[Korotkiy]

One person, who is Adventist, at the moment has a Constitution court hearing (after a Supreme Court). This should affect to our brothers.

Paragraph 35 of Ukraine constitution sets alternative service. This contradicts to the fresh law about a war condition. 

Hovewer juridically constitution laws are over any other laws. Lets see a progress.

[Andrey]

In our city, on November 13, 2024 at 4:30 p.m. local time, a trial was held for the refusal of a Jehovah's Witness, to serve in the military and fight. Here is a link from the court case registry:

 

https://opendatabot.ua/court/122767286-c8d4d9c0057ada7d718c22160c2c1735

 

The judge compares the brother's behavior to that of a woman convicted in France for accessory to murder who was arrested in 1985. Therefore, the judge considers this behavior a serious violation of the Law of the Constitution and must serve 10 years. Here's a quote:

 

The above materials indicate that there is a reasonable suspicion that PERSON_9 has committed a criminal offense under Part 4 of Article 402 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, which provides for a sentence of imprisonment for a term of 5 to 10 years. According to Art. 12 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, this crime is classified as a serious crime.

 

Thus, PERSON_9 is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 4 of Article 402 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, which, in accordance with Article 12 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, is a serious crime punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, committed under martial law.

 

According to the established case law of the European Court of Human Rights, the human right to liberty is fundamental, but not absolute, and may be limited in the public interest. Detention of a person may be justified if there are real indications of a genuine public interest, which, despite the presumption of innocence, outweighs the principle of respect for personal liberty. When applying a preventive measure in the form of detention, it is necessary to proceed from the fact that the court decision must ensure not only the rights of the suspect, but also high standards of protection of the rights and interests of both society and the victim. The definition of such rights, as emphasized by the European Court of Human Rights, requires society to be more rigorous in assessing the values of society (Letelier v. France).

 

What is the case used by the judge in the case? Here's a bit of information:

 

Letellier v. France https://zakononline.com.ua/documents/show/155285___155285

 

On 8 July 1985 Ms Monique Letellier, a French national, was arrested on suspicion of complicity in the murder of her estranged husband. On December 24, 1985, the investigating judge of Créteil ordered her temporary release from custody, with the so-called “judicial control” as a measure of restraint (not to leave the city and to report to the police), but on January 22, 1986, this order was overturned by the indictment chamber of the Paris Court of Appeal.

Edited November 14 by Andrey

[Dolce vita]

4 hours ago, Andrey said:

In our city, on November 13, 2024 at 4:30 p.m. local time, a trial was held for the refusal of a Jehovah's Witness, to serve in the military and fight. Here is a link from the court case registry:

 

https://opendatabot.ua/court/122767286-c8d4d9c0057ada7d718c22160c2c1735

 

The judge compares the brother's behavior to that of a woman convicted in France for accessory to murder who was arrested in 1985. Therefore, the judge considers this behavior a serious violation of the Law of the Constitution and must serve 10 years. Here's a quote:

 

The above materials indicate that there is a reasonable suspicion that PERSON_9 has committed a criminal offense under Part 4 of Article 402 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, which provides for a sentence of imprisonment for a term of 5 to 10 years. According to Art. 12 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, this crime is classified as a serious crime.

 

Thus, PERSON_9 is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 4 of Article 402 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, which, in accordance with Article 12 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, is a serious crime punishable by imprisonment for up to 10 years, committed under martial law.

 

According to the established case law of the European Court of Human Rights, the human right to liberty is fundamental, but not absolute, and may be limited in the public interest. Detention of a person may be justified if there are real indications of a genuine public interest, which, despite the presumption of innocence, outweighs the principle of respect for personal liberty. When applying a preventive measure in the form of detention, it is necessary to proceed from the fact that the court decision must ensure not only the rights of the suspect, but also high standards of protection of the rights and interests of both society and the victim. The definition of such rights, as emphasized by the European Court of Human Rights, requires society to be more rigorous in assessing the values of society (Letelier v. France).

 

What is the case used by the judge in the case? Here's a bit of information:

 

Letellier v. France https://zakononline.com.ua/documents/show/155285___155285

 

On 8 July 1985 Ms Monique Letellier, a French national, was arrested on suspicion of complicity in the murder of her estranged husband. On December 24, 1985, the investigating judge of Créteil ordered her temporary release from custody, with the so-called “judicial control” as a measure of restraint (not to leave the city and to report to the police), but on January 22, 1986, this order was overturned by the indictment chamber of the Paris Court of Appeal.

I admit that I don't really understand the link between the Letellier affair and the situation of our brothers in Ukraine, dear Brother Andreï, but one thing is certain: it is worrying for all of our dear Ukrainian brothers.

May Jehovah untie this Gordian knot❤️

Courage to all our beloved brothers in the country.

[BLEmom]

It’s so weird how they choose to categorize it as an existential threat to society just because you don’t want to fight. 
What is white is called black…

[Andrey]

1 hour ago, Dolce vita said:

I admit that I don't really understand the link between the Letellier affair and the situation of our brothers in Ukraine...

 

I laughed when I read about what the judge put forward. I agree, there is NO logic in his words and claims!

 

I understand only one thing - this is a show action aimed at intimidation and to subjugate others to fulfill the will of the military, which in Ukraine have taken the position of hunters of people.

 

They have orders to recruit a certain number of new recruits in a month, if they don't, they will be taken away and sent to the front lines. That's why they are insolent and treat men harshly when handing in mobilization summonses.

 

The prosecutor told one of ours that I get paid for every case I win against Jehovah's Witnesses.

Edited November 14 by Andrey

[Dages]

9 hours ago, Andrey said:

The prosecutor told one of ours that I get paid for every case I win against Jehovah's Witnesses.

He should repent... That's not wise to fight against Jehovah's precious ones.