jw broadcast JW Broadcasting—December 2024

[Dolce vita]

I have a question and I apologize in advance if it is not relevant.

 

In the case of the Anointed who are going to be raptured and therefore, according to what the Bible says and/or what we understand so far, must die: can we say that their death is not Adamic? They are not going to die because they are imperfect but because Jehovah himself is going to carry out their death and resurrection. When Jehovah gives death to the faithful, it is a guarantee that it will be gentle, necessarily.

 

Unless, as is defended by some, they benefit from the same miracle as the members of The Great Crowd. Nevertheless, this is not what the Bible seems to say.

 

This death, at this moment in human history, no longer seems to me to be quite the same as ours, the one we have inherited, the same for those who will die at Armageddon. They will not die because of their imperfection. They will die because of The Kingdom.

 

Jehovah has already done this, giving death to someone so that the servant escapes a more cruel death. Here too: is it the death inherited from Adam if it is Jehovah who gets involved?

 

I will end with the case of Jesus: his death does not come from Adam, does it not, he remained obedient, so from whom does it come? The secular enemy? In any case, it is he who introduced the reaper. The death of Jesus is historical and will remain so: the only perfect human to die perfect, while remaining obedient, we all know that.

[Quillbeast]

You are reminding me of the case of Enoch, Jehovah took him so that he would not die a cruel death. - Gen 5:24
Yet he remains in Jehovah's memory as a faithful servant. Heb 11:5, 13 .
Could Jehovah apply the same to the remaining anointed ones? I think it makes perfect sense.

[Landon1285]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:12 PM, Andrey said:

I wish everyone to run the course to the end! ❤️

 

Running for Life

 

[Verse 1]:
The road is steep, the path is long,
The world feels dark, it pulls so strong.
Temptations rise, the faith is tried,
But through it all, You’re by my side.

 

[Pre-Chorus]:
When the weight is heavy, and my spirit’s low,
I lift my eyes to where Your mercy flows.

 

[Chorus]:
With Jehovah, I can stand the test,
Through the trials, I’ll give my best.
Though this world is cold, and hearts grow faint,
You give me strength when I feel restrained.
I’ll run the race, I’ll hold my ground,
Until Your promised world is found.

 

[Verse 2]:
The finish line feels far away,
The night is long, but comes the day.
The wicked laugh, they plot and scheme,
But I hold fast to Your righteous dream.

 

[Pre-Chorus]:
When my steps falter, when the doubts appear,
Your loving voice reminds me You are near.

 

[Chorus]:
With Jehovah, I can stand the test,
Through the trials, I’ll give my best.
Though this world is cold, and hearts grow faint,
You give me strength when I feel restrained.
I’ll run the race, I’ll hold my ground,
Until Your promised world is found.

 

[Bridge]:
Though storms may rage, I won’t give in,
The prize awaits for those who win.
Your Word's a lamp, it lights my way,
It keeps me strong from day to day.

 

[Final Chorus]:
With Jehovah, we can bear it all,
He lifts us up each time we fall.
The New World shines, it’s drawing near,
No room for sorrow, pain, or fear.
We’ll run this race, endure the fight,
And live forever in His light.

 

[Outro]:
With Jehovah, all things are true,
The life He’s promised, He’ll see us through.
Stay on the path, don’t ever stray,
With Him, we’ll reach eternal day.

 

Outstanding. I can't believe I missed this. 

[truce]

22 hours ago, Dolce vita said:

I have a question and I apologize in advance if it is not relevant.

 

In the case of the Anointed who are going to be raptured and therefore, according to what the Bible says and/or what we understand so far, must die: can we say that their death is not Adamic? They are not going to die because they are imperfect but because Jehovah himself is going to carry out their death and resurrection. When Jehovah gives death to the faithful, it is a guarantee that it will be gentle, necessarily.

 

Unless, as is defended by some, they benefit from the same miracle as the members of The Great Crowd. Nevertheless, this is not what the Bible seems to say.

 

This death, at this moment in human history, no longer seems to me to be quite the same as ours, the one we have inherited, the same for those who will die at Armageddon. They will not die because of their imperfection. They will die because of The Kingdom.

 

Jehovah has already done this, giving death to someone so that the servant escapes a more cruel death. Here too: is it the death inherited from Adam if it is Jehovah who gets involved?

 

I will end with the case of Jesus: his death does not come from Adam, does it not, he remained obedient, so from whom does it come? The secular enemy? In any case, it is he who introduced the reaper. The death of Jesus is historical and will remain so: the only perfect human to die perfect, while remaining obedient, we all know that.

Exactly why the Bible says anointed ones are declared righteous for life. Jehovah declares them righteous by taking away the burden of adamic sin and thus when they die, they die in the same manner that christ died, for the sake of the kingdom, submitting themselves to a death like his. The Bible calls them Christ's brothers because like Jesus, they will not only be Kings but also Priests. It is truly remarkable. I dare say that those of the anointed who will be privileged during the GT to be "caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air" do not die as a result of inherited sin from Adam, but their death is actually a change from earthly life to heavenly life. Chirst already paid the price for their sins. That is why according to Romans 5:1, there is therefore no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 

22 hours ago, Dolce vita said:

I have a question and I apologize in advance if it is not relevant.

 

In the case of the Anointed who are going to be raptured and therefore, according to what the Bible says and/or what we understand so far, must die: can we say that their death is not Adamic? They are not going to die because they are imperfect but because Jehovah himself is going to carry out their death and resurrection. When Jehovah gives death to the faithful, it is a guarantee that it will be gentle, necessarily.

 

Unless, as is defended by some, they benefit from the same miracle as the members of The Great Crowd. Nevertheless, this is not what the Bible seems to say.

 

This death, at this moment in human history, no longer seems to me to be quite the same as ours, the one we have inherited, the same for those who will die at Armageddon. They will not die because of their imperfection. They will die because of The Kingdom.

 

Jehovah has already done this, giving death to someone so that the servant escapes a more cruel death. Here too: is it the death inherited from Adam if it is Jehovah who gets involved?

 

I will end with the case of Jesus: his death does not come from Adam, does it not, he remained obedient, so from whom does it come? The secular enemy? In any case, it is he who introduced the reaper. The death of Jesus is historical and will remain so: the only perfect human to die perfect, while remaining obedient, we all know that.

Exactly why the Bible says anointed ones are declared righteous for life. Jehovah declares them righteous by taking away the burden of adamic sin and thus when they die, they die in the same manner that christ died, for the sake of the kingdom, submitting themselves to a death like his. The Bible calls them Christ's brothers because like Jesus, they will not only be Kings but also Priests. It is truly remarkable. I dare say that those of the anointed who will be privileged during the GT to be "caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air" do not die as a result of inherited sin from Adam, but their death is actually a change from earthly life to heavenly life. Chirst already paid the price for their sins. That is why according to Romans 5:1, there is therefore no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 

[Dolce vita]

1 hour ago, truce said:

Exactly why the Bible says anointed ones are declared righteous for life. Jehovah declares them righteous by taking away the burden of adamic sin and thus when they die, they die in the same manner that christ died, for the sake of the kingdom, submitting themselves to a death like his. The Bible calls them Christ's brothers because like Jesus, they will not only be Kings but also Priests. It is truly remarkable. I dare say that those of the anointed who will be privileged during the GT to be "caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air" do not die as a result of inherited sin from Adam, but their death is actually a change from earthly life to heavenly life. Chirst already paid the price for their sins. That is why according to Romans 5:1, there is therefore no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 

Exactly why the Bible says anointed ones are declared righteous for life. Jehovah declares them righteous by taking away the burden of adamic sin and thus when they die, they die in the same manner that christ died, for the sake of the kingdom, submitting themselves to a death like his. The Bible calls them Christ's brothers because like Jesus, they will not only be Kings but also Priests. It is truly remarkable. I dare say that those of the anointed who will be privileged during the GT to be "caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air" do not die as a result of inherited sin from Adam, but their death is actually a change from earthly life to heavenly life. Chirst already paid the price for their sins. That is why according to Romans 5:1, there is therefore no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 

Thank you, my dear Br @truce. This is exactly where my research has taken me. Yes, it is unique and incredible to be in a state lent by Jehovah and similar to that of Christ. It is beyond what can be written about.

[jwhess]

54 minutes ago, Dolce vita said:

Thank you, my dear Br @truce. This is exactly where my research has taken me. Yes, it is unique and incredible to be in a state lent by Jehovah and similar to that of Christ. It is beyond what can be written about.

While it is true that God grants them (or acredits them) with righteousness, they don't actually become perfect, holy and righteous in the complete sense.  Their deaths are real and demonstrate a sacrificial nature in honor to God.

 

*** it-1 p. 605 Declare Righteous ***

The followers of Jesus Christ who are called to be his spiritual brothers, with the prospect of being joint heirs with him in the heavenly Kingdom (Ro 8:17), are first declared righteous by God on the basis of their faith in Jesus Christ. (Ro 3:24, 28) This is a judicial act of Jehovah God; therefore before him as the Supreme Judge no one can “file accusation” against his chosen ones. (Ro 8:33, 34) Why does God take this action toward them?

 

First, it is because Jehovah is perfect and holy (Isa 6:3); hence, in harmony with his holiness, those whom he accepts as his sons must be perfect. (De 32:4, 5) Jesus Christ, God’s chief Son, showed himself perfect, “loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners.” (Heb 7:26) His followers, however, are taken from among the sons of Adam, who, because of sin, fathered an imperfect, sinful family. (Ro 5:12; 1Co 15:22) Thus, as John 1:12, 13 shows, Jesus’ followers were not, to begin with, sons of God. By his undeserved kindness, Jehovah God arranged a process of “adoption” through which he accepts such favored ones and brings them into a spiritual relationship as part of his family of sons. (Ro 8:15, 16; 1Jo 3:1) Consequently, God lays the basis for their entry into or their adoption to sonship by declaring them righteous through the merit of Christ’s ransom sacrifice in which they exercise faith, acquitting them of all guilt due to sin. (Ro 5:1, 2, 8-11; compare Joh 1:12.) They are, therefore, “counted,” or credited, as being completely righteous persons, all their sins being forgiven and not charged against them.—Ro 4:6-8; 8:1, 2; Heb 10:12, 14.

 

It can be seen that, though enjoying the status of righteous persons before God, these Christians do not possess actual or literal perfection in the flesh. (1Jo 1:8; 2:1) In view of the prospect of heavenly life for these followers of Christ, such literal perfection in fleshly organism now is not actually needed. (1Co 15:42-44, 50; Heb 3:1; 1Pe 1:3, 4) However, by their being declared righteous, having righteousness “counted,” or credited, to them, God’s requirements of justice are satisfied, and he brings the adopted ones into the “new covenant” validated by the blood of Jesus Christ. (Lu 22:20; Mt 26:28) These adopted spirit-begotten sons in the new covenant that is made with spiritual Israel are ‘baptized into Christ’s death,’ eventually dying a death like his.—Ro 6:3-5; Php 3:10, 11.

 

[Dolce vita]

1 hour ago, jwhess said:

While it is true that God grants them (or acredits them) with righteousness, they don't actually become perfect, holy and righteous in the complete sense.  Their deaths are real and demonstrate a sacrificial nature in honor to God.

 

*** it-1 p. 605 Declare Righteous ***

The followers of Jesus Christ who are called to be his spiritual brothers, with the prospect of being joint heirs with him in the heavenly Kingdom (Ro 8:17), are first declared righteous by God on the basis of their faith in Jesus Christ. (Ro 3:24, 28) This is a judicial act of Jehovah God; therefore before him as the Supreme Judge no one can “file accusation” against his chosen ones. (Ro 8:33, 34) Why does God take this action toward them?

 

First, it is because Jehovah is perfect and holy (Isa 6:3); hence, in harmony with his holiness, those whom he accepts as his sons must be perfect. (De 32:4, 5) Jesus Christ, God’s chief Son, showed himself perfect, “loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners.” (Heb 7:26) His followers, however, are taken from among the sons of Adam, who, because of sin, fathered an imperfect, sinful family. (Ro 5:12; 1Co 15:22) Thus, as John 1:12, 13 shows, Jesus’ followers were not, to begin with, sons of God. By his undeserved kindness, Jehovah God arranged a process of “adoption” through which he accepts such favored ones and brings them into a spiritual relationship as part of his family of sons. (Ro 8:15, 16; 1Jo 3:1) Consequently, God lays the basis for their entry into or their adoption to sonship by declaring them righteous through the merit of Christ’s ransom sacrifice in which they exercise faith, acquitting them of all guilt due to sin. (Ro 5:1, 2, 8-11; compare Joh 1:12.) They are, therefore, “counted,” or credited, as being completely righteous persons, all their sins being forgiven and not charged against them.—Ro 4:6-8; 8:1, 2; Heb 10:12, 14.

 

It can be seen that, though enjoying the status of righteous persons before God, these Christians do not possess actual or literal perfection in the flesh. (1Jo 1:8; 2:1) In view of the prospect of heavenly life for these followers of Christ, such literal perfection in fleshly organism now is not actually needed. (1Co 15:42-44, 50; Heb 3:1; 1Pe 1:3, 4) However, by their being declared righteous, having righteousness “counted,” or credited, to them, God’s requirements of justice are satisfied, and he brings the adopted ones into the “new covenant” validated by the blood of Jesus Christ. (Lu 22:20; Mt 26:28) These adopted spirit-begotten sons in the new covenant that is made with spiritual Israel are ‘baptized into Christ’s death,’ eventually dying a death like his.—Ro 6:3-5; Php 3:10, 11.

 

Brother John, thank you very much for this feedback. So I must have expressed myself badly, dear Brother, because for me there is no doubt that the anointed ones concerned by Armageddon and who will be 'raptured' will have to go through death before receiving their heavenly inheritance by resurrection. In my remarks I simply wanted to emphasize the singularity of their death because like Jesus, they will die while they are faithful. They are obliged to die for the journey that awaits them while the Great Crowd, because they are faithful, escape death.

[truce]

On 1/12/2025 at 2:17 AM, Dolce vita said:

Brother John, thank you very much for this feedback. So I must have expressed myself badly, dear Brother, because for me there is no doubt that the anointed ones concerned by Armageddon and who will be 'raptured' will have to go through death before receiving their heavenly inheritance by resurrection. In my remarks I simply wanted to emphasize the singularity of their death because like Jesus, they will die while they are faithful. They are obliged to die for the journey that awaits them while the Great Crowd, because they are faithful, escape death.

Beautiful. 

[SKnight]

On 1/11/2025 at 8:17 PM, Dolce vita said:

On 1/11/2025 at 6:22 PM, jwhess said:

 

Brother John, thank you very much for this feedback. So I must have expressed myself badly, dear Brother, because for me there is no doubt that the anointed ones concerned by Armageddon and who will be 'raptured' will have to go through death before receiving their heavenly inheritance by resurrection. In my remarks I simply wanted to emphasize the singularity of their death because like Jesus, they will die while they are faithful. They are obliged to die for the journey that awaits them while the Great Crowd, because they are faithful, escape death.

“..,What an outstandingly and beautiful point. I think Bro. @jwhess research and highlighted points are amazingly and carefully done.” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[Mike]

So, after listining to the las tak, the question: Does the Great Tribulation begin with the governments handing over poewer to the UN or with the detruction of Babylon the Great?

 

[jwhess]

38 minutes ago, Mike said:

So, after listining to the las tak, the question: Does the Great Tribulation begin with the governments handing over poewer to the UN or with the detruction of Babylon the Great?

 

It is a good question.  If you have no scriptural citations or publication references to share...I guess we will have to wait for further enlightenment...♥️

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I look forward to the Study Article that will give more detail....

[LeolaRootStew]

7 hours ago, Mike said:

So, after listining to the las tak, the question: Does the Great Tribulation begin with the governments handing over poewer to the UN or with the detruction of Babylon the Great?

 

 

I can't say for certain, but in our previous understanding we didn't believe that the cry of peace and security was the start of the GT, but it was a precursor/sign that the GT was about to begin with the destruction of BtG. I am going to assume the same (unless corrected) that joining the UN is also just a precursor.

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I can't say for certain, but in our previous understanding we didn't believe that the cry of peace and security was the start of the GT, but it was a precursor/sign that the GT was about to begin with the destruction of BtG. I am going to assume the same (unless corrected) that joining the UN is also just a precursor.

I agree. Unless we missed an update.

WT May 2020
Prophecy:
The nations proclaim “peace and security,” and “the ten horns” and “the wild beast” attack “the prostitute” and destroy her. Thereafter, destruction befalls the nations.

Fulfillment:
The nations may claim that they have achieved peace and security. Then, the nations supporting the UN destroy the institutions of false religion. This marks the opening phase of the great tribulation. That tribulation will end with the destruction of the entire world system at Armageddon.

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[Mike047]

On 1/10/2025 at 9:40 PM, minister159 said:

The anointed who are living and gathered during the great tribulation, will experience death, but will not need to sleep in death, the same as all other anointed who die during Christ's presence. As the article points out, they are instantly raised to life in the heavens. However, when it says, "Anointed ones who today finish their earthly course," it means finishing it in death.

I think there may be something in what you say, but I believe the points made by me are correct, based on the what was said by brother Geoffrey Jackson. No doubt if there is needed clarification, we will hear it in due course.

[Eejay]

2 hours ago, Mike047 said:

what was said by brother Geoffrey Jackson

 

Brother Geoffrey Jackson said:

"our view with regard to the start of the great tribulation with the destruction of Babylon the Great....

 

turn with me this time, please, to Revelation chapter 17, this is one of the chapters that describes the destruction of false religion, or in other words, when the great tribulation starts....

 

So let’s read Revelation 17:17 and note, please, what it tells us: “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.”....

 

Yes, they will empower the United Nations so that the United Nations will be in a position to take action against false religion....

 

So if you’re in Revelation 17, please, let’s look at verses 12 and 13: “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings “for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.”....

 

So this newly empowered United Nations, from that time on, will rule collectively for a short time, but it will enable them to destroy false religion and fight against Jesus and Jehovah’s people....

 

This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the great tribulation will start —a sudden change, not something that happens gradually."

 

So the "one hour" of UN authority precedes the start of the great tribulation and is said to include the action taken subsequently right up to Armageddon. And it would also appear likely to include the cry of "Peace and Security". In fact, it could well be the trigger for such a cry, as the purpose of this prior-to inconceivable transfer of power was described by Br. Jackson as requisite because the nations "will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the United Nations to try to solve some of the problems in the world". (Understatement of the year next): "Now, isn’t that exciting?"

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[trottigy]

Well, just think about this - does declaring "Peace" sound like a tribulation?

 

Does attacking religion with the intent to "completely burn her with fire" sound like a tribulation?

 

It is called a "tribulation" (a noun that means a difficult experience or challenge that causes suffering). Declaring Peace and security is not suffering. In fact, it might be thought of as the exact opposite of suffering. 

 

So, the "tribulation" begins when the "suffering" / tribulation begins. And it is going to be "Great" - as in something bigger than ever seen. We have never seen EVERY religion on the planet attacked before. We have seen one religion attack another, but nothing like governments attacking them all.

Edited January 17 by trottigy

[Ezequiel]

Hello,

I just wanted to add and comment on what has already been discussed. I think many people understand when the Great Tribulation begins, but perhaps (and I could be wrong) some still do not know the exact moment when this event starts.

Matthew 24:15-21:

 

"Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),

*for then there will be great tribulation* such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."

 

So the question arises: According to our Lord, when would the Great Tribulation begin?

 

Note what is mentioned in the Watchtower of July 2013:

So, what event will mark the beginning of the great tribulation? Jesus predicted: "When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment)... the United Nations ("the disgusting thing" of today) will be "standing in a holy place" when it attacks Christendom (holy to the so-called Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. This event, described in Revelation 17:16-18, will mark the beginning of the great tribulation.

 

And what happens just before this Great Tribulation begins?

 

The Watchtower of June 2023 says:

The apostle Paul wrote that just before the day of Jehovah begins (that is, the great tribulation) this proclamation would be made: "Peace and security."

In the near future, God's enemies will somehow declare “Peace and security!” (1 Thess. 5:3). Inspired messages from demons will start circulating everywhere, deceiving almost all people (Rev. 16:13, 14)
(W23/6 para. 15)

 

Now then, what I personally understand (I could be wrong) from Brother Jackson's speech is as follows:

At the precise moment on Jehovah's calendar, He instills in the nations the desire to surrender their authority as kings to the wild beast (i.e., the United Nations). At that time, this wild beast will rule for one hour (i.e., a short period of time) and the consequent action is to stand in the holy place, as Jesus said.

The wild beast (which is the same as the "disgusting thing" Jesus spoke of) stands in the "holy" place (for the so-called Christians and other religions) and then the great tribulation begins.

Now, what is it that leads the nations to give their authority to the wild beast? Will this event bring about the predicted proclamation of "peace and security," or will this proclamation be made before that event?

We do not know. I am anxiously awaiting the Watchtower that addresses this topic.

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Ezequiel said:

"Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),

*for then there will be great tribulation* such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."

 

The scripture says "when you catch sight of the disgusting thing...flee to the mountains." After it mentions several kinds of people and how they would flee in haste it says, "then there will be a great tribulation". So the tribulation doesn't start when you see the disgusting thing, but after you have fled. 

 

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Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),  16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.  17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house,  18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.  19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!  20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;  21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.  22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short

3 hours ago, Ezequiel said:

The apostle Paul wrote that just before the day of Jehovah begins (that is, the great tribulation) this proclamation would be made: "Peace and security."

 

It sounds to me like

the disgusting thing (UN) is a sign for us to flee,

then the cry of P&S occurs,

then the GT begins. 

 

I wonder if the GB has a plan in place for us to "flee" when the UN stuff happens or if it's figurative. For instance, will they see the UN gain power and decide to sell all of our buildings and start meeting on Zoom only? The side effect might be that we are not a visible presence when religion is targeted (as if we left Jerusalem).

Edited January 16 by LeolaRootStew

[jwhess]

26 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The scripture says "when you catch sight of the disgusting thing...flee to the mountains." After it mentions several kinds of people and how they would flee in haste it says, "then there will be a great tribulation". So the tribulation doesn't start when you see the disgusting thing, but after you have fled. 

 

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Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),  16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.  17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house,  18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.  19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!  20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;  21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.  22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short

 

It sounds to me like

the disgusting thing (UN) is a sign for us to flee,

then the cry of P&S occurs,

then the GT begins. 

 

I wonder if the GB has a plan in place for us to "flee" when the UN stuff happens or if it's figurative. For instance, will they see the UN gain power and decide to sell all of our buildings and start meeting on Zoom only? The side effect might be that we are not a visible presence when religion is targeted (as if we left Jerusalem).

Watchtower references indicate that we do not know the details. But we will obey the heavenly directions.

I was reminded of the people fleeing from the California wildfires.  They could only take what they could immediately gather and put in their cars.  Then some of them had to leave their cars and flee on foot.  The various Watchtower articles stress there may be challenges and deprivations during this time. We are encouraged to view our everlasting salvation as of more worth than material items left behind.

 

*** w15 7/15 p. 16 par. 7 “Your Deliverance Is Getting Near”! ***

Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.

 

*** w12 4/15 p. 26 par. 16 Jehovah Knows How to Deliver His People ***

Just what form our flight will take remains to be seen. However, we can be sure that Jehovah will make clear the meaning of those instructions when the time comes for us to follow them.

[sis little]

On 1/9/2025 at 3:32 AM, Mike047 said:

 

This is how our brother Geoffrey Jackson explained it. It is worth also keeping in mind the words of 1Cor 15:52 "in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed." The way the bible reads, they will not die, they will be 'taken', after all, if they died, where would the bodies be?. This may also be one aspect of what Jesus intimated in John 11:26 "and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. "

Bro Mike, when the anointed ones pass on, they will not see the pit, they goes straight to heaven. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I get.

[Mike047]

13 hours ago, sis little said:

Bro Mike, when the anointed ones pass on, they will not see the pit, they goes straight to heaven. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I get.

Yes, Angela, that is how the bible presents it, I agree. They will be 'transferred', and there will be no physical body left behind.