VATICAN CONFIRMS POPE BENEDICT XVI TO RESIGNS

[Dave]

Sounds reasonable Fiona. Interesting parallel.

However in the first century it was the radical group that was eventually destroyed.

[rbrown1205]

Has any one ever heard of a novel (FICTION) called Edelweiss Pirates Operation Einstein? Some people on the internet are saying that this has some bearing on the reason why Benedict resigned.

http://www.amazon.com/Edelweiss-Pirates-Operation-Einstein-ebook/dp/B00BB1W73A

[Myree]

OOOOooooo now that's some good gossip!

[Rajan]

OOOOooooo now that's some good gossip!

and who knows...... he might have heard about the Truth or been witnessed....

[retroHelen]

Has any one ever heard of a novel (FICTION) called Edelweiss Pirates Operation Einstein? Some people on the internet are saying that this has some bearing on the reason why Benedict resigned.

http://www.amazon.com/Edelweiss-Pirates-Operation-Einstein-ebook/dp/B00BB1W73A

What went on with the Vatican Bank was never resolved and was ongoing even after this famous book was published in 1984 - Some of the issues raised of Mafia links/money laundering/ P2 Italian Freemason illegal activity could have a bearing on his resigning:

http://www.yallop.com/ingodsname.aspx

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/9323288/Prosecutors-investigate-Vatican-Bank-mafia-link.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112159/Vatican-classed-likely-involved-money-laundering-Yemen-Algeria-North-Korea.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Works_of_Religion

Ongoing law cases of families of Jews who lost their wealth during the Holocaust and had traced large amounts of gold via Nazis/Ustase it to the Vatican Bank - who so far refuse to give evidence and claim sovereign Immunity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alperin_v._Vatican_Bank

This on top of ongoing International law suits re Paedophile Priests;Tax bill quarrels with different countries; hundreds of women mistreated in Magdalen Laundries in Ireland wanting redress;Hundreds of families split by the scandal of stolen children in Spain known as Ninos Robados seeking redress via the Untied Nations. (Discussed on another thread here);Native Children mistreated in Colonial Church run homes in Canada and Australia seeking justice, etc, etc.

You think of the analogy of the person in the stage act who is trying to keep too many plates spinning on top of poles - this frail old Pope just couldn't keep up!

[retroHelen]

Catholics are asked to give something up for Lent - The Pope really went for it big-time this year didn't he?!

[LeslieDean]

That's a good one Helen!!!

[destiny]

European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.

Photo: Courtesy skynews.com

Brussels:

The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.

The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.

Issued 13 February, 2013

12:00 am GMT

[Myree]

I can't find it anywhere on sky news...

[retroHelen]

ITCCS said that by September 15th last year:" in the midst of Catholic masses around the world, a Public Banishment Order will be issued, binding on every catholic establishment. Church occupations will then follow. The Banishment Order will, in effect, expel the Catholic Church from our communities and declare their churches and other property open to all people for their own use, like the homeless. Church officials will then be illegally trespassing and subject to arrest."

-The seizure of Catholic churches around the world and arrest of church officials. Remember when that happened?

Other's on the net comment of ITCCS that: 'Their' (though many think this is just a one man army of Kevin Annet) "official page" is nothing more than a Wordpress blog. 'They' can send letters to the Vatican, UK's Queen and any government office and put up a Wordpress statement, but it doesn't mean that they have (or he has) any actual juristiction or enforcement capabilities.

There are sites now appearing on the Internet suspicious of and questioning the jurisdiction of ITCCS such as http://stopkevinannett.wordpress.com/category/kevin-annett/

http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/09/15/kevin-annett-a-man-who-tried-to-hijack-the-canadian-occupy-movement/

Make what you will of these sites.

[Dave]

The more I read about the ITCCS the less I'm inclined to view it as credible.

One recent post on the ITCCS website which started off in a believable journalistic style quickly descended into a personal 'rant' that indicated the writer was lacking objectivity and was somewhat emotionally involved in the story.

I'm not sure how seriously we should take this.

From what I read on one of Helen's links above, the man behind the ITCCS, Kevin Annett (if this article is to be believed) has a habit of hijacking whatever publicity he can find and then spinning whatever story he can (no matter how untrue) to draw attention to himself as some kind of self-appointed deliverer.

Whether or not this is all just a lot of hot air, only time will tell. In the mean time this organisation should probably be viewed with caution.

[trottigy]

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is absolutely necessary" that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a "dignified existence" in his remaining years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/17/pope-immunity_n_2708518.html

[sunshine]

One thing I didn't know, but learnt having watched the documentary "Home Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God (2012)" Is that Ratzinger centralized all the Church sex abuse cases and ensured that they alll came to him. He was therefore the most knowledgable individual that personally knows about the all the Catholic sex cases and this alone made him incredibly vulnerable should the church lose its total control over its records.

We will have to see if any of this eventually proves relevant.

[rocket]

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is absolutely necessary" that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a "dignified existence" in his remaining years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/17/pope-immunity_n_2708518.html

I supose there is always the possibility of being convicted in absentia.

[rbrown1205]

This is a painful thought....he apparently was in a place to know all about it, and did he have the authority to do something about it? If he did...dear me.

I remember a few years ago when it was found that some in the congregations were taking advantage of children, and people on the outside were accusing Jehovah's people. The brothers combed through every case and resettled them appropriately. It's not about hiding, it's about doing what is right.

[Myree]

The Australian Government has launched a Royal Commission into child sexual abuse which will look at all religious organisations, state care providers, not for profit bodies and the responses of child service agencies and the Police forces. The Roman Catholic Church will figure prominently in the inquiry. It is expected that ultimately the subject of compensation for victims will be addressed… and it won’t be the Australian tax payer who has to foot the bill; it will be institutions like the Catholic Church who will be contributing heavily to the fund.

The Prime Minister said "this is history in the making". It is unprecedented. Public pressure led to the government being forced to take this action.

Australia is just a little fish in a big ocean. Imagine the repercussions if many more governments decided to follow suit.

The ITCCS don't have the "teeth", but some of the mainstream media have reported on their claims. There is a lot of unrest, the "sea" of humanity is getting boisterous.

[Shawnster]

Australia is just a little fish in a big ocean. Imagine the repercussions if many more governments decided to follow suit.

As part of the British Commonwealth of Nations, Australia makes up part of the King of the South and the 7th World Power (Part of the "Anglo" in the Anglo-American Empire)

[tim2k]

True.. so is Canada

[retroHelen]

British Commonwealth of Nations = 54 Countries or 1/3 of the World's Population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations]

This is why USA likes to be allied to Great Britain because of it's Commonwealth links and secondary because of it's European Links too.

Countries are all so inter-related by Political alliances and issues, that what affects one spreads to all a lot quicker now.

[Myree]

The WT 15/6 makes some interesting points:

""THE ANGLO-AMERICAN WORLD POWER AND THE FEET OF IRON AND CLAY

The clay, therefore, represents elements within the sphere of influence of the Anglo-American World Power, elements that make it weaker than the solid iron of the Roman Empire. The clay is referred to as “the offspring of mankind,” or the common people. (Dan. 2:43) In the Anglo-American World Power, people have risen up to claim their rights through civil rights campaigns, labor unions, and independence movements. The common people undermine the ability of the Anglo-American World Power to act with ironlike strength. Also, opposing ideologies and close election results that do not end up in a clear majority have weakened the power base of even popular leaders, so that they have no clear mandate to implement their policies. Daniel foretold: “The kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly prove to be fragile.”—Dan. 2:42; 2 Tim. 3:1-3.

10 In the 21st century, Britain and the United States have continued their special partnership, often acting together in world affairs. The prophecies about the immense image and the wild beast confirm that the Anglo-American World Power will not be replaced by some future world power. This last world power may be weaker than that represented by the legs of iron, but it will not disintegrate on its own.

Regarding Babylon the Great:

""16 However, during the Lord’s day, Babylon the Great has seen the waters, the people who support her, dry up dramatically. (Rev. 16:12; 17:15) For example, when the image of the beast first appeared, the churches of Christendom—an influential part of Babylon the Great—dominated the Western world. Today, the churches and their ministers have lost the respect and support of the masses. In fact, many people believe that religion contributes to or causes conflict. An increasingly vocal and militant group of Western intellectuals is calling for the end of religion’s influence on society.

17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19."""

[trottigy]

The WT 15/6 makes some interesting points:

""THE ANGLO-AMERICAN WORLD POWER AND THE FEET OF IRON AND CLAY

17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19."""

So it is "the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations" that will take her down. It will not be just someone stepping aside. Nor will it be some group headed by a headline seeker and not backed by ANY nation (See ITCCS).

[Myree]

The WT 15/6 makes some interesting points:

""THE ANGLO-AMERICAN WORLD POWER AND THE FEET OF IRON AND CLAY

17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19."""

So it is "the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations" that will take her down. It will not be just someone stepping aside. Nor will it be some group headed by a headline seeker and not backed by ANY nation (See ITCCS).

These groups are just picturing the drying up of support and even hostility toward the great harlot. But we have to wait for the Big One - the powers within the UN turning on Babylon the Great, which will occur "in one night" as it were. We won't see the build-up as it will be "sudden and violent". Well as I'm on the other side of the world I'll be sleeping won't I while you all see what's happening I slept right through the events of 9/11, and in the morning didn't know why every channel had the same thing on. It was replaying what had happened the night (Australian time) before.

All these other little tidbits are interesting though. As the WT said "Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago." Not so now.

[countrykaren]

The WT 15/6 makes some interesting points:

""THE ANGLO-AMERICAN WORLD POWER AND THE FEET OF IRON AND CLAY

17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19."""

So it is "the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations" that will take her down. It will not be just someone stepping aside. Nor will it be some group headed by a headline seeker and not backed by ANY nation (See ITCCS).

These groups are just picturing the drying up of support and even hostility toward the great harlot. But we have to wait for the Big One - the powers within the UN turning on Babylon the Great, which will occur "in one night" as it were. We won't see the build-up as it will be "sudden and violent". Well as I'm on the other side of the world I'll be sleeping won't I while you all see what's happening I slept right through the events of 9/11, and in the morning didn't know why every channel had the same thing on. It was replaying what had happened the night (Australian time) before.

All these other little tidbits are interesting though. As the WT said "Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago." Not so now.

Very interesting.... the 911 i heard it about midnight as i husband was up late watching tv and he woke me up .. but

to know that we are fully aware of what will take place in the future is very comforting.. agape

[Motherhen]

There’s been some probing on the internet about why the Vatican should be so interested in space, due to the Infrared Telescope called Lucifer on Mt. Graham in Arizona that they fund and operate. Since infrared technology can detect things that cannot be seen with other telescopes or the naked eye, some wonder whether the Vatican is looking at something the rest of us cannot see, and claim that Catholic leaders know that something of importance is approaching.

An interesting case is made that the Vatican’s interest in space stems from its expectation of the arrival of an alien savior. “What the Vatican is preparing for is about to change everything,” writes a soon to be released book Exo-Vaticana. Continuing, it even claims that Christians will have “to renounce their faith in God… once new teachings originating from outside the Earth are confirmed as credible”.

Before dismissing this as complete nonsense, it’s probably worthwhile to consider the history of the obelisk in St. Peter’s Square, which was originally cut from granite in Egypt as a symbol of Osiris (Apollo). Later moved to Alexandria, the obelisk was then brought to Rome, where it stood during the martyrdom of early Christians. Finally, it was placed in the center of St. Peter’s Square in Rome, with its sides still graven with dedications to Augustus and Tiberius.

Also of significance is the origin of the term inaugurate, which refers to a ceremony approving a ruler that was sanctioned by the gods through omens. If an inauguration was sealed by thunder and lightning, it was a sign that Jupiter, the father of Apollo, was watching and the gods approved. Coincidentally, thunder and lightning marked Vatican Square on the resignation of Pope Benedict, providing a sign that Apollo, the son of Jupiter, will return to reign over the earth in a new golden age “novus ordo seclorum”.

For that reason, curious eyes are now focused on the obelisks at the Vatican and also in Washington for a ritual to be performed in anticipation of the arrival of this son of promise (Apollo) to earth. Interestingly, President Obama will be heading for Israel to announce “peace, peace” at the same time the College of Cardinals will be assembling in Rome to elect the last pope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Advanced_Technology_Telescope

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/vaticana14.htm

[hayhauler]

That would make a great Saturday Night live sketch with father "guido sarducci!!!!" ~ pope on a rope!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKvRvL5r3A