Moscow To Go After Non-Orthodox Faiths

[vern]

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Posted to me in facebook.....  didn't see anyone post it;  not sure if this is the right forum thread.

[AH173]

The Drunken Harlot is still on top of the beast! For now.

Revelation 18: 8 

That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong. 9 “And the kings of the earth who committed sexual immorality with her and lived with her in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her when they see the smoke from her burning. 10 They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!

Partial quote from Web article :

"“The main enemies,” in the minds of these people, the religious law specialist said, “are Protestants (Baptists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Adventists), Jehovah’s Witnesses alongside neo-pagans and Wahhabi extremists,” some of whom are to be identified as extremist by asking their opinion about the annexation of Crimea."

[trottigy]

They are not after ALL religions - just those that are not "Russian Orthodox" (Title changed to be more accurate)

 

Moscow To Go After All Faiths Russian Orthodox Church Doesn’t Like? – OpEd

 

 

Moreover, Lunkin continues, “Abbot Serapion proposed extending the status of ‘foreign agent’ to religious organizations financed from abroad;” and both he and others at the meeting “sounded calls to find ‘enemies’ and ‘spies’ in connection with the Ukrainian situation and the struggle with ‘Western influence.’”

 

“The main enemies,” in the minds of these people, the religious law specialist said, “are Protestants (Baptists, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Adventists), Jehovah’s Witnesses alongside neo-pagans and Wahhabi extremists,” some of whom are to be identified as extremist by asking their opinion about the annexation of Crimea.

 

Such an approach will make “impossible any manifestation of religious life or missionary activity beyond the limits of ‘traditional religions’ and in fact beyond the limits of the Russian Orthodox Church,” Lunkin says. But it will also likely be used against liberals within the church given the hatred for them that the anti-sect activists have displayed.

 

Clearly, the religious law specialist concludes, in today’s Russia, “freedom of conscience is not for all” but only for those who have the approval of the state and the Patriarchate.

 

EDIT: Just a note - when governments (in the form of the UN - not just Russia) turn on religion - it will be ALL (not just us). Russia appears to be doing what it had done previously in the 1920 - after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Edited December 14, 2015 by trottigy

[Shawnster]

One thing I'd like to know, and I'm sure there are articles and books out there, is how did the Russian Orthodox church survive for 70 some years under Soviet rule?

[Adelin]

As usual, the Orthodox Church cannot keep its flock by conviction but coercion. This shows how weak it is when it comes to spiritual help, but how degraded as a prostitute.

In our country, all the news announced that the government would not allocate any money to the church for the next year. Within one day, the situation turned the opposite way, as the patriarch made some visits to some government officials. All the news said now, that the priests would have a salary increase next year.

[AH173]

One thing I'd like to know, and I'm sure there are articles and books out there, is how did the Russian Orthodox church survive for 70 some years under Soviet rule?

I vaguely recalled that Russian Orthodox Church was in cahoots with government for a while. I had to refresh my thoughts with a little research. From my Isilo. (I wish I had the Pdf file for the images)

Publications Volumes

g01 4/22 3-4

The Soviet Attack on Religion

World War II and Religion

In 1939, Nazi Germany, then an ally of the Soviet Union, invaded Poland, thus beginning World War II. Within a year the Soviet Union had absorbed the last 4 of its 15 republics—Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Moldavia. In June 1941, however, Germany launched a massive attack on the Soviet Union, which took Stalin totally by surprise. By the end of the year, German troops had reached the outskirts of Moscow, and the fall of the Soviet Union appeared imminent.

In desperation, Stalin sought to mobilize the nation for what the Russians called the Great Patriotic War. Stalin recognized that he needed to make concessions to the church to win the support of the people for the war effort, since millions of them still remained religious. What was the result of the spectacular reversal of Stalin's policy toward religion?

With the cooperation of the church, the Russian people were mobilized for the war effort, and by 1945 a dramatic Soviet victory over the Germans was realized. After the Soviet attack on religion was suspended, the number of Orthodox churches increased to 25,000, and the number of priests reached 33,000

Publications Volumes

g01 4/22 4-9

A Focus of the Soviet Attack

Box on page 6

"The Most Harshly Persecuted"

A Concise Encyclopaedia of Russia of 1964 stated that Jehovah's Witnesses were "extremely active in proselytizing" and were "the most harshly persecuted religious community in the Soviet Union.

Box/Picture on page 8

ARMAGEDDON—A Soviet Propaganda Film

The Soviets produced the film Armageddon in an effort to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses. It featured the fictional story of a love affair between a boy in the Soviet army and a girl who was enticed to join the ranks of the Witnesses. At the film's end, the little sister of the girl died in an accident caused by a Witness overseer, who was portrayed as a tool of the American espionage service.

Commenting on the film, which stirred the feelings of audiences, the Ukrainian newspaper The Red Flag of May 14, 1963, said: "In such a way atheistic propaganda is effective, convincing, and it can be used in other villages of the country where similar films are shown.

[AH173]

From reading the above referenced article in the Awake 2001, I kinda would hope for a special campaign /magazine to publicize the April 8 1951 persecution of JWs there in Russia and a summary of every County on earth who persecute a peaceful and obedient people.

Isaiah 54:17 

No weapon formed against you will have any success,And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah,And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah.

[AH173]

Last of the series in this special Awake article.

Publications Volumes

g01 4/22 13-15

What Is the Future of Religion?

"The Los Angeles Times of February 10, 1999, drew attention to the exercise of the church's political influence when commenting on the Law of Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations. The Los Angeles Times said that this law, signed by then President Boris Yeltsin in September 1997, was "promoted by the Russian Orthodox Church." The law gave the church preferred status as a "traditional" religion, along with Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism. Among other things, the law required that religious organizations in Russia reregister.

The New York Times of February 11, 1999, reported that after this law was passed, "the Orthodox Church kept pressures on its rivals." The Times added: "Last August, Aleksei II, Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, called for a ban on proselytizing faiths, particularly those that try to lure people away from the 'religions of their ancestors.'" Since then, efforts to ban the so-called proselytizing faiths have continued, resulting in what has been characterized as a "religious cold war."

[Tbs77]

From 2014....

Stare in amazement

[Trina]

Sickening, pray for our brothers and sisters. The end cannot be far away. Just a little while longer.

[AH173]

Today from forum18.org.

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2133

[shali]

I think Russia singles us out because of our neutrality.  We won't support what they are doing in the Ukraine, we won't join the army and biggest of all - we don't support the government.  All other religions there do all those things but we don't and nothing they do will break our allegiance to Jehovah.  I guess they figure that our love for Jehovah is based on whether we have literature or kingdom halls to meet in.  Someone needs to show them Jesus's illustration of the mustard grain and the mountain!  (He said to them: “Because of your little faith. For truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard grain, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.” -Matt. 17:20)

[vern]

Is "not support the government" the right way of expressing our neutrality?  We cooperate with governments and their laws in as much as they don't conflict with Jehovah's laws.  We will not support rebellion.  We are neutral in that we will support any government by being lawful citizens.  The scriptures ask the rulers to kiss the son in psalms.  Jesus only rules with an iron rod by having enemies in opposition, but they are welcome to support him if they choose; sadly they support the Wildbeast and "their one thought". 

[shali]

Guess I would of thought most would of taken that term to mean "not vote" or get involved politically. Sometimes I forget some of these threads are public and certain terms may need explained. So sorry.

[pnutts]

Russian gov't is passing a law to ignore adverse rulings from European Court of Human Rights.

[shali]

They already ignore adverse rulings of the ECHR! Guess they figure if they have the law on the books that it's o.k. What good would that court be if all countries did the same thing?

[ChrisC]

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