Is time travel possible?

[minister159]

 

Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 598, Second Death

 

Rev. 20:6, 2:10, 11

[Dustparticle]

 Go back in time to Sunday June 25, 1939 when Rutherford gave the talk Government and Peace in Madison Square Garden. There was a big fight broke out at that time. I do not mind being there throwing  some punches.

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, minister159 said:

 

Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 598, Second Death

 

Rev. 20:6, 2:10, 11

I think they are "beyond the second death" because Jehovah decreed it, not because He isn't powerful enough to destroy them. So I think He can kill them, but won't.

[Ronald Davis]

let me put it a different way Jehovah has given Jesus, the anointed, all different angels, and us free will which is a gift he gave us.  plus a gift that Jehovah is given to Jesus and the anointed is immorality.  so if Jehovah gives them the gift that he can't destroy them because they don't need him to live.  then if Jehovah did destroy them wouldn't that make him and indian giver and a liar too.

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, Ronald Davis said:

let me put it a different way Jehovah has given Jesus, the anointed, all different angels, and us free will which is a gift he gave us.  plus a gift that Jehovah is given to Jesus and the anointed is immorality.  so if Jehovah gives them the gift that he can't destroy them because they don't need him to live.  then if Jehovah did destroy them wouldn't that make him and indian giver and a liar too.

 

That is essentially what I am saying. He is capable of killing them, but because he made certain promises that can't be broken, he won't kill them.

[grain of mustard]

The question of immortality has nothing to do with Jehovah's ability to destroy or not, but rather with his righteous standards. Jehovah granting immortality and then destroying himself goes against his principles. But of course the Almighty has the power to destroy. To be immortal is to have life in oneself, apart from Jehovah, but still completely dominated, anointed by the Holy Spirit. It is like giving up your free will. To be anointed is to let Jehovah take charge of your life in heaven. Do you think Jehovah would risk giving immortality only for the anointed to rebel later? Not even Jesus did Jehovah give up. He waited for Jesus to legally fulfill his purpose before receiving immortality.  

[Witness1970]

9 hours ago, Ronald Davis said:

indian giver

Sometimes we say racist things without realizing they are racist.  I know I have done that at times.

[Shawnster]

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

[Tortuga]

7 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

Night time goes faster than day time...

[Cool.As.Ice]

All things are possible with God.

[Dages]

31 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

All things are possible with God.

as far as it is logical. God can't make a married bachelor  

[Dages]

Don't mix basic miracles with illogical moves.

Having a donkey talk or the sun stand still isn't illogical.

Having a married bachelor or go back to before the creation moment when he was alone would not cancel the fact that creation happened. That would be illogical. 

Like all the "omni" and "all" that one can imagine, there will always be qualifications to stay logical.

[Dolce vita]

8 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Night time goes faster than day time...

It's pretty and very true, Brother Richard!

[New World Explorer]

4 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Jehovah’s power is absolutely without limits, and He has the capability to do whatever He pleases, whether turning back time, making a donkey talk, destroying an immortal creature, or making the sun stand still.

 

When will some of you finally realize this? Do you guys really think that there are limits to God’s power???

Yes, there are limits .. can Jehovah create another Jehovah but even more powerful? Then submit himself to more powerful Jehovah? And then destroy everything he created and feel no regret?

Your statements above indicate that you believe that Jehovah can do what I suggested. 

Even Almighty God has some natural limits to his activity ... one of them is illogical expectations, another is related to his qualities where love forbids him to do wicked things. 

[Tortuga]

5 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Our Father has NO limits whatsoever besides what He imposes on Himself because of His high righteous standards.

Along with that is this..

*** it-2 “Miracles” par. 10 ***
If we appreciate that God, out of respect for his moral laws, did not hold back from sacrificing his beloved Son, certainly we can reason that he would never need to “violate” his physical laws to carry out anything desired within physical creation.
 

[Dages]

42 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Along with that is this..

*** it-2 “Miracles” par. 10 ***
If we appreciate that God, out of respect for his moral laws, did not hold back from sacrificing his beloved Son, certainly we can reason that he would never need to “violate” his physical laws to carry out anything desired within physical creation.
 

Yes, this is about physical laws, not against logic.

[Witness1970]

9 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

All things are possible with God.

(Hebrews 6:18) . . .That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 

(Titus 1:2) . . .and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago; 
 

(Job 34:10) . . .Therefore, YOU men of heart, listen to me. Far be it from the [true] God to act wickedly, And the Almighty to act unjustly!
 

God cannot do anything unloving.  God cannot do anything unjust or wicked. God cannot lie.

 

 

[grain of mustard]

7 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Certo; por que isso é tão difícil?

 

Jeová é o Todo-Poderoso, o Alfa e o Ômega, Aquele que criou tudo.

 

Por que algumas pessoas complicam tanto isso? É realmente tão difícil de entender?

 

O poder de Jeová é absolutamente ilimitado , e Ele tem a capacidade de fazer o que quiser, seja voltar no tempo, fazer um jumento falar, destruir uma criatura imortal ou fazer o sol parar.

 

Quando alguns de vocês finalmente perceberão isso? Vocês realmente acham que há limites para o poder de Deus? Isso não parece o Deus que eu conheci; que pode fazer tudo e qualquer coisa.

 

Não há absolutamente NENHUM limite para o que o Ancião dos Dias pode fazer. Ele poderia facilmente nos exterminar em uma fração de segundo, se quisesse. Nenhuma criatura pode resistir ao Seu poder, mesmo que seja imortal . 
 

Mesmo vivendo para sempre, nunca conheceremos Jeová de cabo a rabo, e sempre haverá algo novo para aprender sobre Suas habilidades.

 

Estou vendo alguns neste fórum argumentando que Jeová não pode fazer isso ou aquilo, como se o Seu poder realmente tivesse limites. Não sei quanto a todos vocês, mas esse não é o Deus que conheci. Seu poder está além de qualquer coisa que possamos compreender. Nenhuma discussão sobre isso ou aquilo mudará o fato de que o Todo-Poderoso tem a liberdade absoluta de fazer o que quiser, quando quiser e como quiser, com todo o poder que achar necessário.

 

A única coisa, a única coisa que nosso Pai NÃO PODE fazer é MENTIR .

 

Se algum de vocês tiver algo que possa refutar essas verdades, então venha e diga aqui e agora. 
 

PS: Peço desculpas se estou parecendo rude, rude ou ríspido; não é minha intenção, mas estou ficando um pouco chateado com o fato de que parece haver alguns amigos aqui dizendo que Jeová realmente tem limites para o Seu poder Todo-Poderoso. Tal raciocínio é totalmente impensável para mim, mas reconheço que não consigo convencer todos a aceitar o que eu e outros também acreditamos.

 

No entanto, Jeová é o Deus Onisciente, Sábio e Todo-Poderoso. Quem pode se opor a Ele ou impor limites ao Seu poder?

 

Dito isto, preste muita atenção a@LeolaRootStew e@grão de mostardaComentários de . Eles trouxeram alguns pontos muito bons para colocar toda essa situação em perspectiva.

 

Nosso Pai NÃO tem limites além daqueles que Ele impõe a Si mesmo por causa de Seus altos padrões de justiça.

 

Para concluir, vou citar o Slave aqui, para que não seja apenas minha opinião:

*** cl cap. 20 p. 201 par. 6 “Sábios de Coração” — Ainda Humildes ***
6 Vale a pena notar que há uma distinção entre humildade e modéstia. A modéstia é uma bela qualidade que os humanos fiéis devem cultivar. Assim como a humildade, ela está associada à sabedoria. Por exemplo, Provérbios 11:2 diz: “A sabedoria está com os modestos.” No entanto, a Bíblia nunca fala de Jeová como sendo modesto. Por que não? A modéstia, conforme usada nas Escrituras, sugere a devida consciência das próprias limitações. O Todo-Poderoso não tem limitações, exceto aquelas que ele impõe a si mesmo por causa de seus próprios padrões justos. (Marcos 10:27; Tito 1:2) Além disso, como o Altíssimo, ele não está sujeito a ninguém. Portanto, o conceito de modéstia simplesmente não se aplica a Jeová.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1102002044&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9

 

 

You can see your admiration and respect for our Creator and Almighty when you say that he can do anything, except lie or go against his fair standards. But be careful! Be careful not to treat Jehovah's power with arbitrariness. Time is unidirectional, it only "runs" forward. This law is based on logic, because logic is that our free will moves us to take actions and each action causes a change that causes the passage of time. This is as logical as going down and going up. An action generates a reaction and so on, that is time. Our actions are unique, I am writing now, there is no way to write what I wrote again, only by writing it again, again. There is no way to replay it. The past time has passed, it is stored in our memory. Just as the future is in our mind, in our plans, purposes, it has not happened yet, it is not real yet in a concrete way, it has not happened. Time is not a creation of Jehovah that can come and go and stop. Time is a result, a sum, a calculation of actions, of what is done, both ours and Jehovah's own. Jehovah, by the logic of the movement of time, cannot rewind what he himself did a thousand years ago or what he will do a thousand years in the future. Does he cease to be Almighty because of this? Absolutely not. That would be being arbitrary with his power. But with respect to our time, if Jehovah wants to recreate an image of what we did in the past, I think he can, although I think Jehovah has no need for that. Jehovah does not need to review or see time in the future. Why? He can accomplish whatever he wants, his name is involved. His memory is infallible. We inherited this logic from our Creator. 

[Dolce vita]

Jehovah's power is always aligned with his nature. Jehovah cannot act against his holiness, for example, and yet if he wanted to, he could; he can do anything. But at the same time, we must understand that he cannot; that would be acting against his nature. 

 

I understand what Brother Elijah @Cool.As.Ice is saying and I fully agree with him. But I also understand everything the others are saying and I fully agree with them too, because it seems to me that you are all saying the same thing, but differently.

[Shawnster]

[Cool.As.Ice]

5 hours ago, grain of mustard said:

Be careful not to treat Jehovah's power with arbitrariness.

That is not what I’m doing. I have the greatest respect for God’s power. What I don’t understand is some of these comments here mentioning that God can’t do some things.

[bobby]

No, he would not. Why think about someone coming along and peace and security, not declared 

Due to someone accidentally starting an international incident, which led to a war that lasted for 

a century, then everyone was so busy with the war that false religions were not wiped out, then the great

Tribulation never happens 

 think people think I don't want to be in my 90s in this system 

[Dages]

6 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

That is not what I’m doing. I have the greatest respect for God’s power. What I don’t understand is some of these comments here mentioning that God can’t do some things.

A "married bachelor" is not just something difficult to imagine, it's a self-contradictory concept. The very definition of a bachelor is an unmarried man. To be a "married bachelor" would be to be both married and unmarried at the same time and in the same sense, which is a logical impossibility.

 

Now, the general view on this is that God is the author of logic itself. Logic isn't an external constraint on God, but rather an expression of His own rational and consistent nature. If God could do illogical things, it would imply a fundamental inconsistency or irrationality within God's own being, which is contrary to the general understanding of divine perfection.

 

This line of reasoning often leads to a more refined understanding of omnipotence. Omnipotence is generally understood as "the power to do anything that is logically possible." It's not about doing things that are inherently contradictory or nonsensical. God can do anything that can be done, but a logical impossibility isn't something that can be done, even by God.

It's abilities, not liabilities.

 

It's important to distinguish between illogical things and miraculous things. Miracles (like walking on water or raising the dead) might defy the laws of nature as we understand them, but they don't involve logical contradictions. Water turning into wine doesn't involve the wine being simultaneously water and not water in the same sense. It's a transformation, not a logical paradox.

[Dages]

Logic has 3 main principles.

Identity : X is X

Non contradiction : X cannot be A and non-A

Excluded middle: X is either A or non-A

 

They are the axioms upon which all other logical reasoning, mathematics, and even scientific inquiry are built. Without them, coherent thought and communication would be impossible.

They are considered intuitively obvious. To deny them would involve using them in the very act of denial (if you deny the law of non-contradiction, you are implicitly claiming that your denial is true and its opposite is false, thereby using the law ).

They are not culturally specific or arbitrary human inventions. They are believed to reflect fundamental aspects of reality and how we can understand it... And so we can understand God, the author of logic and reason, we can trust his word.

[dljbsp]

6 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

God can’t do some things.

 

It’s a common feeling—after all, most of us grew up hearing that “God can do anything.” And in a sense, that’s true—Jehovah is almighty. But when we take a closer look at the Bible, we see that his power is not random or unbounded—it’s always in harmony with his perfect qualities. So there are things Jehovah cannot do—not because he’s weak, but because he’s holy.

 

For example, Hebrews 6:18 says plainly: “It is impossible for God to lie.” That’s not a flaw. It’s a promise. We can trust everything he says—because deceit is not just something he won’t do, it’s something he can’t do. The same goes for injustice. Job 34:10 asks, “Is it even conceivable for the true God to act wickedly?” No. He cannot be unrighteous. That’s why his judgments are always fair, even when we don’t understand them fully.

 

There are other things too. James 1:13 tells us Jehovah “cannot be tempted by evil.” His loyalty to good is absolute. 2 Timothy 2:13 says he “cannot deny himself.” In other words, he will never betray his own values or turn his back on what he has promised. And Malachi 3:6 reassures us that “I am Jehovah; I do not change.” His standards don’t shift. His love doesn’t fade.

 

So yes, there are things God cannot do—but those “cannot” statements are actually what make him so worthy of our trust. He can’t lie. He can’t fail. He can’t forget us or grow tired of doing what’s right. He will always be faithful, even when we are struggling.

 

To me, that doesn’t make God smaller—it makes him more beautiful. More stable. More trustworthy. A god who could lie or change wouldn’t be safe to follow. But Jehovah is rock-solid. Always.

 

I hope that brings you the same peace it brings me.