DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[Victoria]

Do not read in Russia? Why so?

[Lance]

I can’t speak for aTom but I think there is a few stories he feels it would not be wise to share if the authorities in Russia were to find out.. ..

no discrimination just a precaution 

[bohemian]

Tom has been very careful not to include quotations from the NWT or other banned publications, as that could put this book on the 'extremist' list. He is being 'cautious but innocent', imo.

[humble bumble bee]

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 6:51 AM, Lewis said:

On April 19, in Vladivostok, Russia, police raided a divine service attended by Valentin Osadchuk and three elderly women. All four were taken to the police station and interrogated. Valentin remains in custody

jw-russia.org: Peaceful man arrested in Primorye for 2 months

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Arrested for two months, until June 20, 2018, one of the followers of the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses in Vladivostok - 42-year-old Valentin Osadchuk.

 

Edited May 10, 2018 by humblebumblebee
corrected link

[Victoria]

News about Vladivostok are really scary. It is not far from us. And it shows that gathering even in such small groups can lead to imprisoning.

[NW2020]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 11:45 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Way way back in this thread, around the 140's I think, I posted that I was working on a summary of all events with regard to the Russian ban of our activites. Like many projects we embark upon, it does nothing but grow and grow, and I now have something about 140K words long. It will be the most rigorous work (really, the only rigorous work) I have done.

 

I am in the footnote stage now, and need some help with the following paragraph: 

 

As mentioned, eight governing members of Jehovah’s Witnesses were sentenced to American prison in 1918, on violation of the Espionage and Sedition Act. The religious press rejoiced. Dr. Ray H Abrams, in his book ‘Preachers Present Arms,’ reports: “I have been unable to discover any words of sympathy in any of the orthodox religious journals.”¹² By this measure, the Russian media’s response was almost cheery. Most of them rejoiced, but not all. One that did not was Novaya Gazeta, which ran an article summing up Witness beliefs with reasonable accuracy, if not proper order, and was sympathetic to their plight – taking for granted that they must continue their ministry. Included were vignettes telling why some became Witnesses and how they felt they had benefited from the faith. One woman said that she regretted only one thing – that she learned about the Bible too late to save her first marriage. Applying Bible principles would have done it, she felt, if she only had known them.

 

Does anyone here have the 1933 book (it was revised in 2009) Preachers Present Arms, who can tell me what page the above quotation is on?

 

 

 

Did you find the answer to your posted question?  I actually just picked up the book from the library today - but this is a 1969 edition.

[TrueTomHarley]

58 minutes ago, NW2018 said:

Did you find the answer

I did. Crowdsurfing works every time.

 

On 5/9/2018 at 6:52 PM, Victoria said:

Do not read in Russia? Why so?

Although the book does not use the New World Translation, it does occasionally quote other Watchtower publications. Technically, this makes it extremist.

 

There is another version that has all such quotes removed, leaving holes labeled "redacted." Not only does it not violate any extremist law (unless and until the book itself is declared extremist) but it serves to highlight the silliness of it all, for context nearly always indicated the eliminated quotes are perfectly innocuous. However, every effort is made to be deeply respectful of the government. In no way could this be described as a protest book. It also strives to relate things from a Russian perspective.

 

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/826384

 

Here is the cover for the 'safe' book. It is identical to the main version, except for the message in the orange ball:

 

 

Edited May 11, 2018 by TrueTomHarley

[EccentricM]

31 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

On 5/9/2018 at 11:52 PM, Victoria said:

Do not read in Russia? Why so?

Although the book does not use the New World Translation, it does occasionally quote other Watchtower publications. Technically, this makes it extremist.

I wasn't aware that was a literal warning label! I just thought it was like one of those things you just have for show, appeal or humoured. Like "gardening secrets, don't tell your neighbours!" a nod to how Russia tries to "ban everything".

Edited May 11, 2018 by EccentricM

[humble bumble bee]

jw-russia.org: Peaceful citizens arrested in the Arctic for 55 days - Jehovah's Witnesses

 

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44-year-old Roman Markin and 61-year-old Victor Trofimov, residents of Polyarny (Murmansk region), were sent to the pre-trial detention center for almost 2 months on suspicion of "organizing the activities of an extremist organization"

 

[humble bumble bee]

jw-russia.org: Criminal case for belief in Ivanovo region

 

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Dmitry Mikhailov, a 40-year-old resident of the city of Shuya (Ivanovo region), professing the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, was found suspected of involvement in the activities of an extremist organization

 

[Sheep]

Another news story:

 

https://jw-russia.org/news/18051523-315.html

 

It's becoming more and more evident that the decisions of all the Russian courts are made before any hearings are held.

 

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It was noticeable that the judge knows the decision in advance and conducts the process along this path.

 

[Omoyeme]

Same article:

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A similar feeling developed in Arthur Leontiev, a lawyer who represented the "Watchtower Society, Bibles and Treatises of Pennsylvania" in court: "A number of signs allow such an assumption, because as early as 2016 somehow there was a record in Rosreestr that this complex is planned for withdrawal for state or municipal needs. It is interesting that even before the beginning of this process in the mass media there appeared information that one of the state institutions had already submitted an application for the transfer of this complex to them. And we even applied to the St. Petersburg City Court to clarify to us what is meant here, because this could be interpreted as the fact that the decision had already been made in advance. "

 

The authorities didn't even try to hide the fact that they wanted the Bethel complex from 2 years ago because they knew they'd have complete support from the RF - no matter what!  It's sickening...truly sickening!

Edited May 16, 2018 by Omoyeme

[humble bumble bee]

Jw-Russia.org: The raid on Jehovah's Witnesses in Birobidzhan, code-named "Judgment Day"

 

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A criminal case was instituted against 55-year-old Alam Aliyev, a local Jehovah's Witness.

 

[Dages]

3 minutes ago, humblebumblebee said:

Jw-Russia.org: The raid on Jehovah's Witnesses in Birobidzhan, code-named "Judgment Day"

Can't wait for the raid on the world, code named "Judgement day"... that will be the real one.

[Miss Bea]

They are hanging themselves. Our property is just that property. The friends, and what they are going through, another thing. They had no right to our property, and less right to persecute us. But, what they don’t know, is they are fulfilling bible prophecy. If Jehovah wanted, he could stop them in a heartbeat. He is letting their hearts harden, or, hopefully soften. They are being given a chance. And will reap their consequences, good or bad. 

They may be our enemies, but they need our prayers. They just don’t feel that noose around their neck! 

I’ve never seen an actual pharaoh, but, I can easily identify a certain world leader’s face as that of a pharaoh. Taunting Jehovah. 

They are not prevailing. They are not in control. Satan may be gloating, but, it will short lived. 

The world is swirling under his bondage, but, we are stable. And hopeful. And thankful. If I’m going to be picked on, I want it to be because I’m one of Jehovah’s people! Do what they may. Just one of us and Jehovah is a majority! 

[dove]

www.jwforum.net

 

New today...world  news and etc..

[dove]

2 hours ago, Dove said:

www.jwforum.net

 

New today...world  news and etc..

Not all new news...new email to me 😏

[Victoria]

15 hours ago, humblebumblebee said:

Jw-Russia.org: The raid on Jehovah's Witnesses in Birobidzhan, code-named "Judgment Day"

 

 

This is my city. Our home was searched too. They took away our PC, all our phones and tablets. The old bible.And many other things that can be evidence against us. We can be arrested anytime. They searched 24 houses and apartments so far.Please pray for us! 

[hatcheckgirl]

My dear Victoria, definitely we will keep praying for you.  Endurance and courage, my dear sister.   I know Jehovah will give you extraordinary strength to cope with what is to come.  Stay strong, and know we love you so very much!

[Tbs77]

Relief is coming!
But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels

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[Tia]

Oh my sis,

There are so many heartfelt prayers - even before reading your post(s)

We love you dearly - 

 

[Victoria]

26 minutes ago, Victoria said:

They took away our PC, all our phones and tablets. The old bible.And many other things that can be evidence against us.

Forgot to mention our international passports( not sure how you call them) so we cannot go abroad even for a short time. We planned to do it in summer, bought the tickets and now we are going to lose much money.

[New World Explorer]

They took your passports ? Seriously? 

Persecution in full, I say. 

Praying for you 

[Victoria]

18 minutes ago, Gregexplore said:

They took your passports ? Seriously? 

Persecution in full, I say. 

Praying for you 

They always do it in all the cities. Our fault not to hide them. We Russians always hope nothing bad will happen to us.

[cricket246]

You would think if they didnt want the JWs there in Russia they would encorage them to leave the country...sigh...time is speeding up...