My Computer Wins10, 3.yrs old...

[Sheep]

On 3/19/2019 at 5:51 AM, lord-360 said:

Eek the ram hurts. Got an ssd? Breathes life into older laptops.

 

On 3/19/2019 at 11:10 AM, The Deej said:

About a year and a half ago I upgraded my 1 TB hard drive on my laptop to a 500G SSD, it was less than $200, and the best money I ever spent.  Super-fast startup and no more moving parts, which makes the machine run cooler and with less noise.

 

On 3/19/2019 at 11:22 AM, tuntun said:

That's the problem. we all know SSD are much faster than hard drive because they are much more expensive.

With the same price SSD capacity is only 1/4 to 1/2 of the hard drive.

 

I've been reading all the posts above about SSDs and their advantages over HDDs. But I'm still confused. My old laptop's HDD crashed in about 2016 (700GB, about four years old), and I had to get a new drive installed. The technician at the place I took it to recommended SSD, saying it would be a lot faster. So I opted for the SSD (500GB). However I didn't see any noticeable difference in speed. It was about the same as the old one.

 

About a month ago I bought a new laptop that has an HDD (5400 RPM), and it's a lot faster than my old one with the SSD! So I'm not clear on what the hype is and any advantage there's supposed to be. (However, it shoud be noted this new laptop uses something called Optane memory, which is supposed to make things run faster.)

 

To a technologically challenged brother such as myself, please answer in simple terms.

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Sheep

[jwhess]

The speed of the hard drive (or SSD) is only one part of the performance issue.  A newer laptop most likely has a much faster processor, more available RAM memory (and even quicker memory), a more useful graphics processor (or even faster processor) and so on.  All of these items play a part in response time and performance.  So if you upgraded all but the hard drive, it will be faster.  Would it be even more responsive if you had added a new SSD...?  Perhaps.

[pnutts]

Windows 10 April 2019 release to be April 10th. Supposed to fix a lot of bugs the Oct 2018 release.

 

Later this spring - maybe see release of win 12 ( no 11 )

[Tortuga]

15 minutes ago, pnutts said:

Later this spring - maybe see release of win 12 ( no 11 )

No Windows 11?

That might mean there wont be a Widows 13....sneaky....

[The Deej]

1 hour ago, Sheep said:

 

 

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I've been reading all the posts above about SSDs and their advantages over HDDs. But I'm still confused. My old laptop's HDD crashed in about 2016 (700GB, about four years old), and I had to get a new drive installed. The technician at the place I took it to recommended SSD, saying it would be a lot faster. So I opted for the SSD (500GB). However I didn't see any noticeable difference in speed. It was about the same as the old one.

 

About a month ago I bought a new laptop that has an HDD (5400 RPM), and it's a lot faster than my old one with the SSD! So I'm not clear on what the hype is and any advantage there's supposed to be. (However, it shoud be noted this new laptop uses something called Optane memory, which is supposed to make things run faster.)

 

To a technologically challenged brother such as myself, please answer in simple terms.

 

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A couple of ways its faster is the start up time.  From the time I hit the power button to swiping my finger of the print reader is literally 10 seconds or less to full on desktop.  On this same laptop with the old HD it tool over a minute to come up just to the password screen.   Also noticeable is how fast programs open, as well as documents.  I know it sounds trivial but in a world where we have become impatient and want stuff faster this really does make a difference.   

 

Here is some good information, I obviously copied and pasted this here.  I didn't want to post a link.

 

When an SSD upgrade makes sense

Any PC running a CPU introduced within the past six or seven years (that is, an AMD Phenom; an Intel Atom, Core 2, or Core i3/i5/i7; or any newer processor family) is a good candidate for an SSD upgrade. You’ll still see a performance boost with an SSD even if your CPU is older than those mentioned. In such cases, however, it’s probably time to put that computer out to pasture, because there are many other advancements—chipset improvements, new bus technologies, faster I/O ports—that you can’t get short of replacing your motherboard (at a minimum).

You should also consider an SSD upgrade if you’re buying a new computer. A PC with a midtier CPU and an SSD (or an SSD cache for a mechanical hard drive) will start up faster and feel significantly faster than a computer that’s hobbled by a slow hard drive, even if it has a higher-end CPU.

 

If you want it all and have the budget to indulge that strategy, buy a PC with both types of drives. It’s hard to do so with a laptop, though, so in that situation you’ll want to buy the largest SSD you can afford. An alternative mobile strategy is to supplement the internal storage with an inexpensive, high-capacity external hard drive (500GB mechanical drives cost about $60). You can buy an external SSD, too, but those devices are much more expensive.

 

Shopping tips

SSD technology has changed rapidly, and performance has nearly tripled in just a few years. You can find a lot of SSDs on the market, and shopping strictly by price can be a big mistake—that supercheap drive you just pulled out of the bargain bin might have slow memory and a dated controller that kills its price-to-performance ratio. You’ll see big performance differences among newer drives, too: Samsung’s 840 Pro, for instance, is the fastest consumer SSD we’ve tested. Other top performers include Seagate’s 600 series, Corsair’s Neutron series, the OCZ Vertex and Vector series, and SanDisk’s Extreme II series.

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by The Deej

[lord-360]

1 hour ago, Sheep said:

 

 

 

I've been reading all the posts above about SSDs and their advantages over HDDs. But I'm still confused. My old laptop's HDD crashed in about 2016 (700GB, about four years old), and I had to get a new drive installed. The technician at the place I took it to recommended SSD, saying it would be a lot faster. So I opted for the SSD (500GB). However I didn't see any noticeable difference in speed. It was about the same as the old one.

 

About a month ago I bought a new laptop that has an HDD (5400 RPM), and it's a lot faster than my old one with the SSD! So I'm not clear on what the hype is and any advantage there's supposed to be. (However, it shoud be noted this new laptop uses something called Optane memory, which is supposed to make things run faster.)

 

To a technologically challenged brother such as myself, please answer in simple terms.

 

500gb in 2016 would have been quite expensive for an SSD IIRC.  

 Surprised you wouldn't have noticed a difference. Just watch this video for comparison. That optane is interesting. It's very small but is a great boost if you use in for smaller programs. never seen it before.

[tuntun]

2 hours ago, Sheep said:

i've been reading all the posts above about SSDs and their advantages over HDDs. But I'm still confused. My old laptop's HDD crashed in about 2016 (700GB, about four years old), and I had to get a new drive installed. The technician at the place I took it to recommended SSD, saying it would be a lot faster. So I opted for the SSD (500GB). However I didn't see any noticeable difference in speed. It was about the same as the old one.

 

About a month ago I bought a new laptop that has an HDD (5400 RPM), and it's a lot faster than my old one with the SSD! So I'm not clear on what the hype is and any advantage there's supposed to be.

Replacing storage media with SSD will definitely make the operating system (OS) will run faster. but there are other parameters.

Buying a new laptop is not always we will get a faster Processor and more RAM (depending on the budget you provide).

 

But on new laptops it usually has fewer problems. in my opinion the new HDD is not much different than the obsolete SSD.

On obsolete laptops, the operating system has been packed with so many applications that are sure will overload the system, not to mention fragmentations, and residues that has been mounting. a problem that is rarely encountered on new laptops.

 

 

For some applications (for example AAA games or photography processors). Greater RAM and a more sophisticated graphics processor (APU) will play more roles rather than SSD storage.

[pnutts]

You can use a program- ntlite -to remove much of the bloat in windows

 

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ntlite.html

[Sheep]

3 hours ago, lord-360 said:

500gb in 2016 would have been quite expensive for an SSD IIRC.  

 

Surprised you wouldn't have noticed a difference. Just watch this video for comparison. That optane is interesting. It's very small but is a great boost if you use in for smaller programs. never seen it before.

 

That's an interesting video. But the timing I get with my new computer is about like the SSD in the video. I'm not sure if it's because of the Optane memory thing...(?)

 

Of course, this computer has Windows 10 (the old one is Windows 7). I had already heard it was faster with just about everything, including shutting down in 4 seconds flat!

 

My personal opinion: Maybe I'm a die-hard, but I am still attached to Windows 7. I like the looks of it better than 10, and it seems to be a lot more reliable with everyday stuff even though it's slower. I prefer it. And if you ever have to use System Restore, the speed of Windows 7 has Windows 10 beat by hours (no exaggeration)!

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Sheep

[Sheep]

1 hour ago, pnutts said:

You can use a program- ntlite -to remove much of the bloat in windows

 

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ntlite.html

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm all in favour of a clean computer, and I already use a couple of cleaners (CCleaner, KCleaner, etc). But I'll take a look at this one too.

 

(Would you believe I'm typing this on my Windows 7 laptop?)

[lord-360]

2 hours ago, Sheep said:

 

That's an interesting video. But the timing I get with my new computer is about like the SSD in the video. I'm not sure if it's because of the Optane memory thing...(?)

 

Of course, this computer has Windows 10 (the old one is Windows 7). I had already heard it was faster with just about everything, including shutting down in 4 seconds flat!

 

My personal opinion: Maybe I'm a die-hard, but I am still attached to Windows 7. I like the looks of it better than 10, and it seems to be a lot more reliable with everyday stuff even though it's slower. I prefer it. And if you ever have to use System Restore, the speed of Windows 7 has Windows 10 beat by hours (no exaggeration)!

 

Yeah Windows 10 was a big boost in loading speed for me also. That intel optane is definitely helping. It's basically a small ssd in a way that holds the important files you use most for fast loading. Great thing for a laptop.

[pnutts]

Some computers get really hot.🌡️☀️

[Sheep]

On 3/20/2019 at 3:13 PM, pnutts said:

Later this spring - maybe see release of win 12 ( no 11 )

 

I'm not sure about that. I found the above info you mentioned at windowsreport.com. However did you notice that info was dated April 1, 2017? That should be your first clue, Sherlock. Scroll down the page, and you'll see this:

 

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To conclude this surprising piece of news, we remind you that today is April Fools’ Day. Microsoft is indeed trying to make VR accessible and affordable to the general public, but we have no clue as to what features Windows 12 will bring — and if there will be a Windows 12 OS.

 

See also the Editor's Note in italics just below it.

[Old]

On 3/20/2019 at 4:42 PM, Sheep said:

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm all in favour of a clean computer, and I already use a couple of cleaners (CCleaner, KCleaner, etc). But I'll take a look at this one too.

 

(Would you believe I'm typing this on my Windows 7 laptop?)

Good to know, I have been using Pledge, sometimes hard to wipe off the screen. 

[pnutts]

3 hours ago, Sheep said:

I'm not sure about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzEz6kukOow

 

 

Jan 31, 2019 date

[Sheep]

22 hours ago, pnutts said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzEz6kukOow

 

 

Jan 31, 2019 date

 

Sounds to me like this guy got his info from windowsreport.com, even though he passed right by the screen saying it was an April Fool's Day prank. The other websites he quotes also may have gotten their info from the same source, and just passed it on as is. Windows 10 has only been out for about three years, and they're looking at another OS already? It doesn't sound likely to me. But we'll see what happens in the future.

[pnutts]

3 hours ago, Sheep said:

Windows 10 has only been out for about three years

XP came out in 2001 then Vista then win 7 then win 8 then win 8.1, next win 10 and semi-annual updates since then.

It is about time for a major upgrade. Maybe cloud based subscription - just to keep the $$$$ rolling in.

[lord-360]

6 hours ago, pnutts said:

XP came out in 2001 then Vista then win 7 then win 8 then win 8.1, next win 10 and semi-annual updates since then.

It is about time for a major upgrade. Maybe cloud based subscription - just to keep the $$$$ rolling in.

I think they wanted Windows 10 to be their end all be all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/08/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/#76c65c663328 

When looking for Windows 11 or 12 announcements or plans I could only find 1 link at windows report. No reliable news pages have any rumors related to a next version that I can find. It is possible they could release another version, but I think their stance is still that of which they originally posted.

[Sheep]

16 hours ago, lord-360 said:

I think they wanted Windows 10 to be their end all be all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/08/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/#76c65c663328 

When looking for Windows 11 or 12 announcements or plans I could only find 1 link at windows report. No reliable news pages have any rumors related to a next version that I can find. It is possible they could release another version, but I think their stance is still that of which they originally posted.

I heard the same thing (about 10 being the last Windows)... from a couple of sources. But I'm new to Windows 10 and can't really say one way or the other.

[jwhess]

Do we remember OS/2  or NT....

[lord-360]

4 hours ago, jwhess said:

Do we remember OS/2  or NT....

Just before me. My dad built and sold pc's back then when there was a profit for it. I had one with those big floppy discs you used to run programs. Remember 95 a bit and definitely 98. 

[1gemstone]

On 3/19/2019 at 10:44 AM, The Deej said:

Trust me Windows Defender is a great program.  I never want to go back to Sophos or any other paid virus protection software.  The "so called free trial software", is one of the first things I delete from any new computer I get.  

FYI, just deleted McAfee after making Window Defender my total antivirus protection. Spoke with a Microsoft rep who agreed that  Window Defender was better than aThird Party antivirus  program, he even remove it for me, I allow him to do a remote access with my laptop, and checked everything was good with my PC.

 

Thank you again for your help. 

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Just before me. My dad built and sold pc's back then when there was a profit for it. I had one with those big floppy discs you used to run programs. Remember 95 a bit and definitely 98. 

Big floppies? 5 1/4" or 8"...?

Just Older

[lord-360]

4 hours ago, TonyWenz said:

Big floppies? 5 1/4" or 8"...?

Just Older
 

I think the 8 inch ones. They felt flimsy. Screen was greenish

[pnutts]

On 3/26/2019 at 3:19 AM, TonyWenz said:

Big floppies? 5 1/4" or 8"...?

I remember using 5 1/4 & 3 1/2 inch - even cloning 5.25 to 3.5 diskettes - even though it was not supposed to be possible. Started with DOS & win 3.1 on diskette even 95 on 3.5 diskettes.

Edited March 29, 2019 by pnutts