Intermittent Fasting

[normadenardo]

Does anyone here practice intermittent fasting for health reasons?

[Hope]

I was just thinking about doing that this week.  Will be following this topic...

[Buttrfly71]

Sure do...I follow a 18:6 schedule most days or a 16:8. It depends on how hungry I am. I eased into it over a couple of weeks, starting with 10, then 12 hrs fasted. I start after dinner and end between 10am and noon. I find it suits my stomach issues. When I do eat, it is mostly veggies/fruits. If I eat meat, it has to be a really good cut! These combined have given me more energy, and I don't need a bathroom quite as often as before.

[Stormswift]

Yeah I do ... sometimes 23:1 ... other times 18:6 ... and I try to have a keto based diet, but have added some no no's from Keto to my diet to feed the bacteria micro biome in my gut. (Things with fibre like pineapple).

 

With Keto my blood sugars are dropping dramatically, but doctors want to put me on tablets for my raising cholestorol levels. 

So my plan of attack is to reduce my tablets rather than add to them by losing all my belly fat which will reduce my resting insulin levels, and thus sugars spiking less when I do eat.  So once my weight has dropped even more than it has now ... and my type II diabetes is reversed and hopefully my blood pressure has reduced, then I'll move my keto diet into a Jehovah diet .. (which is really eating foods that we were supposed to in the beginning or from the point of Noah) which should suit my lifestyle ... so really I'm keeping processed foods out of my diet ... supermarket milk ugh, margarines double ugh, simple carbs, vege oils, processed sugars I'm trying  to keep away from my mouth. 

 

The hardest thing for me is getting rid of fat/sugar products that I adore ... ie: Milk Chocolate and Ice cream. sighhh.

 

Actually a sister said to me ... why don't you just have smaller portions through out the day ... interesting thing there is if you do that, your insulin levels never lower and you get hungry. With intermittent fasting - you don't get hungry hard to believe I know ... but on the 23:1 - I don't get hungry at all.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Stormswift

[hatcheckgirl]

Fasting for a diabetic though? I would check with a doc about that. The whole idea is not to spike the sugar levels so eating small meals throughout the day to level the sugar spikes. I know if I were to fast or even miss a meal, my sugar levels would crash.

[Stormswift]

4 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Fasting for a diabetic though? I would check with a doc about that. The whole idea is not to spike the sugar levels so eating small meals throughout the day to level the sugar spikes. I know if I were to fast or even miss a meal, my sugar levels would crash.

It was recommended by my previous doctor ... and it's working both for the weight and for the diabetes - of course it wouldn't work for diabetes type I. Only Type II - my brother reversed his Diabetes type II and is no longer even a pre-diabetic ... and he eats fairly normally now, with caution.

 

Would I recommend it for diabetics? Only after checking with your doctor, but it's working for ME and I can testify to it for myself.

 

The idea of fasting/diabetes II is to lower your resting insulin, the higher your resting insulin is - the higher your sugars spike when you eat ... you get that resting insulin down, your sugars don't spike anywhere as much when  you eat. Additionally you lose weight. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Stormswift

[Loopy]

 

Milk....Ahhhhh! I use to drink it many times a day.   

 

I haven’t had dairy milk since the end of October of last year. Thought I would have a rough time with not having it, but actually don’t miss it.

 

But now it has 12g sugar????!!!!

 

Been using Organic Almond Milk 🥛 since than for my protein daily drink. But now I can no longer afford it since having to pay for Medicare/supplement insurance. ☹️

 

But I did a test run just using water and it’s fine. 😁

[Stormswift]

I only drink milk straight from the Vats, it doesn't spike sugars very much as it hasn't been processed and has natural fats in it. But Supermarket milk spikes sugar levels as much as coke does.

[Miss Bea]

I try to fast every other day. On my off days, 500 calories. The other day, normal eating.

That is, used to. Since I got back from my trip north, I’ve been slowly putting on a bit of weight. Now, I know why.

i read an article that said a three day fast will reset ones immune system. I need to check that out again, and get serious! 

[Stormswift]

Yes, my Doctor said that as well Miss Bea - I hadn't heard of intermittent fasting until he told me about it - he said don't go over 500 calories on your 23/1 fasting days. Once a week to maintain your weight 2-3 times a week to lose it. I make sure though I get all my needed nutrients on my 'other' days.

[Stormswift]

Can I pose an interesting question that might help Norma here:

 

Who said we have to eat three times a day? When did THAT idea come in?

 

It's a modern pastime to eat three times a day ... 1977 saw the introduction of the Food Pyramid by the WHO ... supported by the Heart Association ... but it's only since then that the obesity epidemic took hold, and only since then can Diabetes type II be claimed as a world wide epidemic, along with heart disease. 

 

We (being the people in general) never ate three meals a day until around the 18th century. Even in the 19th century , the main meal was midday ... people used to go Mass without breaking their fast, to come home to a large cooked meal and they may have had a light supper at night and that was basically it.

 

Rates of Diabetes type II were very low -  not to say they weren't there, but not on the scale of today. Combine eating three meals a day with processed food - that's disaster!

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20243692

 

Just a note on cholestorol ... The Medical fraternity deemed cholestorol our mortal enemy based on autopsies of people who had died of heart disease ... why? Because they found cholestorol 'clogging' up their arteries ... now cholestorol at least the good one, passes through our arteries easily and is not produced soley by the fats we eat , but rather the processed foods ... the only time chololestroal becomes a real problem is when it detects a tear in the arterial wall ... and it rushes to mend that wall and protect it ... so of course high amounts would be found in someone who has heart disease, but what caused the tear in the first place? Not cholestoral - processed sugars act like shards of glass in our blood and that is what is causing the tears. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Stormswift

[Hope]

I'm trying to decide if I'll do better not eating breakfast or not eating supper.  I REALLY love breakfast and if it's hearty enough, I often don't feel like eating again 'til around 3 or 4p.  It might be more rough not to eat 'til the noon hour...

 

But I need to lose loads of weight.  I'm blessed that my blood sugar and blood pressure are fine (pressure is on the low side).  But cholesterol should be dealt with.  Plus -- I need to lose loads of weight.  I know a lot of my eating is emotional    I need to find something else to do that is full-filling (get it?)    

 

80 lbs need to go with a quickness, tho... 

[Loopy]

Certain foods can be kinda hard to drop from eating. One of mine was processed foods. You know go to the local gas station/convenience store and check out what they had in the heating bin. Especially when I was heading out driving 4 miles to go shopping. Plus always had a 20 Oz soda with me going and picked one up coming back.

 

Since I’ve dropped that kid nd of processed foods and soda I’m 1/2 way to my goal weight. Still a long way to go.

 

I’m not exactly strict keto but I try to avoid the bad stuff that raises insulin, which can halt weight loss. Unfortunately a lot of fruit is off limits. ☹️

 

 

[Buttrfly71]

I reccomend reading "The Obesity Code" by Jason Fung and "Delay, Don't Deny" by Gin Stephens. The first is a bit dry, but has all the science behind IF. Including why it can be safe if you have T2diabetes. The second is her experience with IF and also includes references for the info she gives. 

 

You do not have to do Keto in order to lose weight on IF. Each person is different and must do what is best for their body. For me, keto caused fatty liver and a spike in cholesterol. Since doing mostly plant based, it has cleared up. For others, Keto is the way to go, and can also help with T2. Just listen to your body and take it slow. 

[Stormswift]

21 minutes ago, Loopy said:

Certain foods can be kinda hard to drop from eating. One of mine was processed foods. You know go to the local gas station/convenience store and check out what they had in the heating bin. Especially when I was heading out driving 4 miles to go shopping. Plus always had a 20 Oz soda with me going and picked one up coming back.

 

Since I’ve dropped that kid nd of processed foods and soda I’m 1/2 way to my goal weight. Still a long way to go.

 

I’m not exactly strict keto but I try to avoid the bad stuff that raises insulin, which can halt weight loss. Unfortunately a lot of fruit is off limits. ☹️

 

 

Strict keto is hard - easy if you like the food, but quite expensive as well ... that's why I've incorporated other foods as well. But Sister Jennifer is correct, IF works without Keto ... very well in fact, and I think Norma is more interested in the IF than the Keto aspect ... the other thing it has to be a lifestyle you can stick with ... and sometimes I don't stick to it ... but it always works when I do ... and I don't find it hard.

 

If one researches 23/1 IF ... some cram an awful a lot of food into that one hour of eating ... I tried that once, couldn't do it ... so am keeping it to 500 cals on those days - and not worrying SO much about what I eat the following day within my limits.

 

Berry fruit is good I buy frozen berry fruit ... and keeping fruit to one or two pieces doesn't do damage ... it's all about moderation. Then our bodies start working as Jehovah designed them to work. 

[Good-O]

Yes, when I did IF faithfully I too lost weight and had more energy.  I ate 7-3 and nothing afterwards due to GERD!  Sadly, I returned to my previous habits due to several reasons but I will now go back to it.  Happy to read your comments - gives me some ideas.  

[hatcheckgirl]

I’m not as optimistic, and would agree to definitely go with what’s best for you in your particular situation. IF has shown benefits of not just weight loss, but also helps with repair of the body due to inflammation, and can reduce the cholesterol levels and blood pressure.

 

But, the actual study only included 3 obese men on insulin drugs. And lab rats. The human study ran for just a year and was successful for all three men in losing weight and getting off insulin. Great! But it is not known if anything adverse will happen in the long term.

 

In the past, it is interesting that people probably did naturally practice some sort of fasting. Poor people only ate about once or twice a day, but worked very hard in the fields etc. So along with IF comes activity, something that must be part of any weight loss routine. Insulin resistance is definitely helped through exercise, and a proper diet (non-processed food, smaller portion sizes, etc).

 

The problem for today is adjusting our diets too drastically, which is what IF may do to someone with diabetes, since we are way out of whack in our eating habits compared to ones in times past. You and I live in a different type of world than they did. I think going cautiously if you are a diabetic is wise, and know that I personally would go hypo if I went without breakfast or fasted for too long.  I might consider the 5:2 fasting after talking with my dietician who will monitor the results.

 

If you are on insulin, or hypo causing medication, such as sulphonylureas or glinides, an intermittent fasting could significantly increase the risk of hypos. Your doctor should advise you on whether the diet is appropriate.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/5-2-intermittent-fast-diet.html

[normadenardo]

Wow!! Thank you for all the great comments. I have been doing IF since 6/21. I feel great. I try to do at least 16/8 daily, but lately have been hitting 20+ hour fasts with no problems. I have taken pretty much all processed carbs ( pasta, rice ) and all sugar out of my diet. When I do eat I have a little maple syrup or honey in my coffee/tea. I try to include as many veg as I can and good fats. I have lost 12 lbs! My weight has been stuck for a long time. This feels great! I have still 50-55 lbs to lose. I am glad there are other on here I can share my journey with. 

[RodLS45]

Some years ago, I fasted for 21 days under medical supervision. (lost 25 Kg) Now at 73 & an Insulin-dependant Diabetic, I have been advised by my G.P. & my Endocrinologist to not fast again! Still tempted . . . 

 

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Some years ago, I fasted for 21 days under medical supervision. (lost 25 Kg) 

Now at 73 & an Insulin-dependant Diabetic,I have been advised by my G.P. & my 

Endocrinologist.to not fast again! Still tempted

 

Yes, At your age, it is better to err on the side of caution. Your doctor and specialist know what best for you. 

 

https://www.everydayhealth.com/type-2-diabetes/living-with/fasting-safely-with-diabetes/

Diabetes and Fasting: Does Type Matter?

Whether you have type 1 or type 2 diabetes, fasting needs to be approached with care. "Fasting should be rare if you have diabetes because an individual with type 1 or type 2 on oral medication can experience hypoglycemia (low blood sugar)," says Amy Kranick, a certified diabetes educator with Diabetes Care Club in Nashville, Tenn. Risks from low blood sugar include seizure, coma, or even death if left untreated.

On the other hand, depending on the individual, fasting without using insulin can result in high blood sugars or in diabetic ketoacidosis (a serious diabetes complication caused by blood build-up of acids called ketones). 

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by M'Awan

[normadenardo]

Just so everyone knows... I am not saying anyone should or should not try intermittent fasting. Of course anyone who is already under a doctors care or on any medication should seek professional advice. I am not debating the benefits or risks. Just wanted to know if anyone else practices this lifestyle. ❤️

[Loopy]

I heard Dr. Berg say you can intermittent fast with 3 meals a day...NO snacking in between.

[Miss Bea]

The one I came across was, and, I’ve done it, (thankfully, I don’t have diabetes) eat normally, (and I try to eat simple) one day, and, 500 calories the next. I thought that is doable. Wade through one day of, “fasting”., then eat normal the next day.

As I said, I want to do the three day fast. It said it is even good for, um, elderly ones. Reset the immune system. Mines pretty good, but, this won’t hurt. I just have to pick the three days.

My husband has fasted 12 days using acorn water. Acorns, after being processed, has a high quality protein. He wants to process some acorns for me. 

(He used to take part in the white deerskin, whatever. I can’t remember it’s proper name.) He doesn’t anymore. And, for him it was a major thing. He saw the hypocrisy, and left. That’s another story...

[Miss Bea]

18 hours ago, Stormswift said:

Who said we have to eat three times a day? When did THAT idea come in?

It’s just me and husband. We are getting on in years. We eat twice a day. It used to be that last meal was at 2:30. But, summer, with the long days, more time is spent outside, working, so, now it can be a bit later.

We eat when we get up, then, our main meal, then a snack in the evening. Right now, it’s fruit. But there are some organic chocolate bars that satisfy me, and then some. 

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by Miss Bea

[Stormswift]

4 hours ago, normaclutter said:

Just so everyone knows... I am not saying anyone should or should not try intermittent fasting. Of course anyone who is already under a doctors care or on any medication should seek professional advice. I am not debating the benefits or risks. Just wanted to know if anyone else practices this lifestyle. ❤️

It's safe to assume Norma, that anyone here would be acting within the advice of their doctor. I agree it shouldn't be a debate, your question was a simple one.