The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[BenJepthah]

3 hours ago, Stormswift said:

Has enough time passed for them to be certain though?

No it’s just early results. But it’s still good news so far. 

[Ahuvah]

Be careful - remember the organization is much more cautious than the Governnents.

[Mykyl]

8 hours ago, Todd komaniak said:

What really gets me is that if someone dies and they were tested positive for Coronavirus then they say they died because of coronavirus not because oh they had a heart attack or got hit by a car every death is listed as covid-19 

Where did you read that? I have not read that anywhere. I also doubt it very much. Would make no sense.

[elisha]

16 hours ago, Todd komaniak said:

What really gets me is that if someone dies and they were tested positive for Coronavirus then they say they died because of coronavirus not because oh they had a heart attack or got hit by a car every death is listed as covid-19 

Wondering if there's a source for this?  I've actually heard the opposite.  In Russia for example, there was a very sharp spike in "pneumonia deaths" a couple months ago.

[Todd komaniak]

Look up project veritas is an independent reporter and about a month or so ago he had called all the mortuaries in New York they all said the same thing that every death was to be counted as Coronavirus 19

[BenJepthah]

All hospital notes are currently “ COVID “ notes. The patient may be treated for a diabetic foot unclear and not be tested for COVID but the note is “ COVID “ . Unless you actually enter the note and examine the protected information you would think that all the patients were at least suspected to have COVID.  That was the case for more than a month. Now every single patient is tested. The vast majority of patients are negative. Some have to be retested due to symptoms . So the real figures about who has contracted or dies “ with” COVID as opposed to “ from” COVID seem murky. And HIPPA will keep it so. 

[Mykyl]

20 minutes ago, Todd komaniak said:

Look up project veritas is an independent reporter and about a month or so ago he had called all the mortuaries in New York they all said the same thing that every death was to be counted as Coronavirus 19

I looked up project veritas and a question popped into my mind.

Why should I trust what they say based on their track record?

 

[BenJepthah]

8 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

I looked up project veritas and a question popped into my mind.

Why should I trust what they say based on their track record?

 

An interesting question.  Do we distrust the report because they have previously reported something we don’t want to hear? I guess the only way you can know for sure is to call all the mortuaries in NYC and ask the same questions. 
     It makes sense , However, that the mortuaries would treat the handling of every body as a C-19 considering that we know little about the Disease. So there is no basis to doubt this report. 

[Ms. Piffle]

IMHO it doesn't  matter if the deaths from Coronavirus is under or over reported. (Or both, balancing the reports) This is a deadly pandemic!   Millions worldwide have died as a result of the virus.  It's been life altering for others (amputations,  brain damage, etc).   I am so grateful for the direction from the governing body, from Jehovah.  

 

It's a daily reminder how we Need Jehovah's kingdom to come.  

Edited June 21, 2020 by Snority

[Todd komaniak]

So the real question is if it's over reported does somebody have an agenda

Edited June 21, 2020 by Todd komaniak

[BenJepthah]

26 minutes ago, Snority said:

IMHO it doesn't  matter if the deaths from Coronavirus is under or over reported. (Or both, balancing the reports) This is a deadly pandemic!   Millions worldwide have died as a result of the virus.  It's been life altering for others (amputations,  brain damage, etc).   I am so grateful for the direction from the governing body, from Jehovah.  

 

It's a daily reminder how we Need Jehovah's kingdom to come.  

26 minutes ago, Snority said:

IMHO it doesn't  matter if the deaths from Coronavirus is under or over reported. (Or both, balancing the reports) This is a deadly pandemic!   Millions worldwide have died as a result of the virus.  It's been life altering for others (amputations,  brain damage, etc).   I am so grateful for the direction from the governing body, from Jehovah.  

 

It's a daily reminder how we Need Jehovah's kingdom to come.  

Actually no, millions have not died : yet ! That we are aware of. But otherwise I agree with your comment.  The reason why people note all the inconsistencies and apparent subterfuge is they have learned that such things are used to further somebody’s agenda. And not usually to the good of all. But none of this , in practice, changes anything for you and I. 

[Shawnster]

19 hours ago, Todd komaniak said:

What really gets me is that if someone dies and they were tested positive for Coronavirus then they say they died because of coronavirus not because oh they had a heart attack or got hit by a car every death is listed as covid-19 

Sounds like a bit of hyperbole  to me.  I understand a lot of deaths may have been attributed to coronavirus than should have been, but I seriously doubt any of them were auto accidents.  I'd like to see a source for that claim before I accept it.

 

41 minutes ago, Snority said:

Millions worldwide have died as a result of the virus.

 

11 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

Actually no, millions have not died : yet !

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  9 million positive cases and 468 thousand have died.  

1 hour ago, BenJepthah said:

An interesting question.  Do we distrust the report because they have previously reported something we don’t want to hear? I guess the only way you can know for sure is to call all the mortuaries in NYC and ask the same questions. 

I distrust a site that appears to have a political agenda or a site that smacks of fake news/lack of journalistic integrity.

[Mykyl]

1 hour ago, BenJepthah said:

An interesting question.  Do we distrust the report because they have previously reported something we don’t want to hear? I guess the only way you can know for sure is to call all the mortuaries in NYC and ask the same questions. 
     It makes sense , However, that the mortuaries would treat the handling of every body as a C-19 considering that we know little about the Disease. So there is no basis to doubt this report. 

Nothing to do with what they reported in the past. Everything to do with what their bias is.

 

The mortuaries may treat each body as potentially being infected for safety but to state they all died of covid on the death certificate is a stretch too far. Screams more of a case of how do we cast doubt on how many have died.

Cant have anyone believe New York has had crazy amounts of deaths. We must get back to normal...

That's just me.

Edited June 21, 2020 by Mykyl

[BenJepthah]

26 minutes ago, Todd komaniak said:

So the real question is if it's over reported does somebody have an agenda

Probably not so much.  Let’s examine the heart attack and hit by a car thing. Once all the numbers are In it’s just a matter of subtracting the seasonal incidence of heart attacks and other causes of death from the total.  Now, as noted otherwise, the incidence of influenza seems to have been greatly reduced ( the two illnesses cannot share the same apartment it seems). Although I have seen one or two who were blessed with both.  
     But let’s really focus on just one thing. “ auto accidents” since C-19 does have a number of wild effects on cognition do we say the sick man wandered into traffic Because he was sick or that he did so incidental to being sick? Imagine the C-19 virus as a man pushing an already dieing person in a wheelchair. The person might just die one week or one month later without being “ pushed” . But when we picture C-19 in this way we would still say IT was the killer.  

[BenJepthah]

9 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Nothing to do with what they reported in the past. Everything to do with what their bias is

And you know their bias how?? By what they reported in the past right?? Otherwise you would only know their bias from what others reported about their reporting??And the reporters who reported that their reporting is biased would be reporting from a bias ??   It’s watchers watching watchers suspiciously watching watchers.  So much fun!  

[Todd komaniak]

The number of coronavirus deaths in state figures topped 1,000 earlier this week, and the number stood at 1,150 deaths as of Friday afternoon. But officials with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment revealed during a call with reporters that that number does not represent the number of people who have died due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirushttps://coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/

Edited June 21, 2020 by Todd komaniak

[Ms. Piffle]

1 hour ago, BenJepthah said:

 

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  9 million positive cases and 468 thousand have died.  

I am so sorry.  You are correct.   Postive cases in the Millions worldwide,  not deaths.   Thank you.  

 

I did find the following article interesting.  I know nothing about the reputation of this site.  It seems legit.  If not, I'm sure someone will say.  

 

How COVID-19 Deaths Are Counted

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, Wolfson said, but it’s not yet clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. Fowkes said that based on her experience, it’s more likely that COVID-19 deaths are being missed than overcounted.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

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[Mykyl]

1 hour ago, BenJepthah said:

And you know their bias how?? By what they reported in the past right?? Otherwise you would only know their bias from what others reported about their reporting??And the reporters who reported that their reporting is biased would be reporting from a bias ??   It’s watchers watching watchers suspiciously watching watchers.  So much fun!  

Whats your point?

As Jehovahs witnesses we are told to check. Dont just accept what is said. They all have a bias. 

 

A comment was made. I asked for a quote. The quote comes from a place that doing a check on I would struggle to trust. That's it. No other agenda from me. Sigh.

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by Mykyl

[BenJepthah]

26 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Whats your point?

As Jehovahs witnesses we are told to check. Dont just accept what is said. They all have a bias. 

 

A comment was made. I asked for a quote. The quote comes from a place that doing a check on I would struggle to trust. That's it. No other agenda from me. Sigh.

 

Well then, we are on the same page. All are biased. But the findings reported may not be. 

[Lewis]

This week the United States passed another grim milestone when its number of coronavirus related deaths passed the number of Americans killed in World War 1.

 

Health experts in other countries are struck by how the coronavirus crisis is especially bad in the U.S.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/

 

I’m just glad the Canadian borders are still closed.

[Hugh O'D]

7 minutes ago, Lewis said:

Health experts in other countries are struck by how the coronavirus crisis is especially bad in the U.S.

Just to say that the USA is still only 7th worst for deaths per million among the reasonably large sized countries (no offense to San Marino or Andora but there populations are just too small IMHO to be counted for statistics).

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[M.J.]

On 6/20/2020 at 3:08 PM, ChocoBro said:

I wonder if "waves" are really such a bad thing right now. It's summer on the northern hemisphere and people are more likely to survive Covid19, like any other flu or corona virus. 

Numbers seem to imply this. Since April 10, new daily cases in the USA have dropped by a mere 20.8 %, but daily deaths have dropped by a whopping 70.4 %. You can't explain this fact away with stuff like "social distancing" or "wearing masks": This can only be explained by the miracle that is the immune system.

 

Maybe someone has a better explanation. To the best of my knowledge, we haven't found a miracle treatment for severe cases yet.

 

I'm far more worried about this thing still being around in November / December, to be honest.

I'm in the Sunshine State, and cases are going up the last few days.

[trottigy]

And it still looks like a 5% death rate.

 

I’m glad the slave in update #4 is reminding us to be vigilant still. It’s easy to be swayed by those who want to make this thing to be a hoax or limited in its danger. The GB sure isn’t looking at it that way (Eccl. 7:12)

 

 

edit:  469,399/9,026,542=.052 or 5.2%

 

remember when some thought that if testing went up the death rate would go down? That doesn’t seem to be the case.

Edited June 22, 2020 by trottigy

[Bob]

14 hours ago, Lewis said:

This week the United States passed another grim milestone when its number of coronavirus related deaths passed the number of Americans killed in World War 1.

 

Health experts in other countries are struck by how the coronavirus crisis is especially bad in the U.S.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/

 

I’m just glad the Canadian borders are still closed.

Well, an indicator of how bad a crisis is (1) death per million, (2) hospitalization rate, and (3) percent positivity, because new cases are primarily the result of increased testing. Keep in mind the US tested more than any country so they're going to have many more cases.