The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[cme]

11 hours ago, Bob said:

Except, he did not call COVID a hoax. More reasons why I don’t trust the media:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/

 

He never claimed covid was a “hoax”:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/

I did not say he claimed it, I said "he cannot claim it as a hoax" because he now is walking proof that we can't deny or dismiss this virus.

[Bob]

1 hour ago, cme said:

I'm not going to get technical with this.  However, he chose to dismiss it, "Dismiss" he did.  Whether he wanted to accept or reject it,  he was still downplaying this virus as if this virus would magically disappear just like it appeared.  He misled and confused the masses into believing that this virus was not as dangerous as scientist were saying.

 

 

Sure I never disagreed with this. But you’re sort of missing the point. He was lied on. Those lies were repeated here, though innocently. 

1 hour ago, cme said:

I did not say he claimed it, I said "he cannot claim it as a hoax" because he now is walking proof that we can't deny or dismiss this virus.

Fair enough!

[Tbs77]

What I thought about was Nebuchanezzar and his arrogance.  Did not Trump about a month ago or so took a picture in front of a church and held up the bible?
 
Jehovah can send him to eat grass and humiliate him just like he did with Nebuchanezzar.
 
What about King Herod when the people cried out "a gods words and not man's" did not Jehovah have worms eat him up?
 
These world leaders have no idea who they are messing with.
 
I see how the nations are flaunting and flexing their muscles as world leaders but, soon, very soon Jehovah will step in and vanquish all these demi-gods!!
 
They are nothing but a film of dust on a pair of scales to Jehovah.  I feel that Trump felt humiliated because he has contracted this Covid-19 and has nothing to say for himself.  He can't claim its a "hoax".

I made some brothers laugh telling them Trump is going to become the modern day King Manasseh..going to study after his recovery with one of the GB.. told them With God All things are possible.

I told them Satan will be so angry.

I love using my imagination!

[Tortuga]

3 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

I have some news which may dishearten some . Based on his age and general condition of the POTUS. He has a 94% chance of FULL RECOVERY without lasting secondary problems.

That may dishearten his political opponents but it doesn't dishearten any of us, we are completely neutral. We all hope that anyone affected by Covid19 has a full recovery, it's part of our Christian love for all mankind.

[Hugh O'D]

3 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

some news which may dishearten some .

Like @Mephibosheth that thought doesn't bother me at all, I don't personally want any more to die from Covid-19. Whether he's reelected or not also doesn't particularly affect me as neither he nor his rival support God's kingdom. When the end comes it won't really matter who's POTUS, they'll either join to make Gog or they'll be pushed out of the way and Gog will be formed.

 

Something else to be said about him, he hasn't been stupid enough to be before a Judicial Committee which puts him ahead of many Jehovah's Witnesses. Make of that what you will.

 

P.s. @BenJepthah thanks for your timely words.

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Hugh O'D

[Old]

Trump is in Jehovah's hands? 

[Shawnster]

10 hours ago, M.J. said:

When a president goes into the hospital for something serious, where he could become unconscious, he normally has a short ceremony in which the vice-president is sworn in as temporary acting president. But it didn't happen this time....there is no precedent for this...I see many issues could come up because of it....

 

Also, if Trump does recover, we are sure to hear a lot of comments about how God is miraculously backing and protecting Trump...it will make him appear invincible and drive the fanaticism surrounding him to new highs...

Did everyone see the video where several religious leaders are all praying over him? Craziest thing ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrRRARERv0A

 

While Coronavirus is unprecedented, we have seen a President transfer power under the 25th Amendment.  In the previous cases, however, that transfer of power was handled at the last moment before the President was rendered unconscious.  Since Trump was seen walking under his own power to and from Marine One on the way to the hospital, and since the hospital has a full office that the President can use to run the country, there was no need at this time to transfer power.  Trump was awake and alert and only complained about relatively mild effects of Coronavirus.  There simply isn't the need to transfer power at this time. 

 

Quote

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_president_of_the_United_States#Since_the_Twenty-fifth_Amendment

Since the Twenty-fifth Amendment[edit]

Proposed by the 89th Congress and subsequently ratified by the states in 1967, the Twenty-fifth Amendment also established formal procedures for addressing instances of presidential disability and succession.^[21] Its Section 3, which allows the president to voluntarily transfer his authority to the vice president, has been invoked on three occasions by two presidents. (Section 4, which addresses the case of an incapacitated president who is unable or unwilling to issue voluntary declaration, has not been activated since the amendment came into force.)^[17][22]

Two vice presidents have so far served as acting president while the president underwent a medical procedure.

• On July 13, 1985, from 11:28 am to 7:22 pm EDT, George H. W. Bush was acting president while Ronald Reagan underwent colon cancer surgery under anesthesia.^[23][24]
• On two occasions, Dick Cheney was acting president while George W. Bush underwent colonoscopies under sedation (June 29, 2002 from 7:09 am to 9:24 am EDT, and July 21, 2007 from 7:16 am to 9:21 am EDT). ^[25]

 

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https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/trumps-suite-at-walter-reed-features-living-working-spaces-as-well-as-medical-facilities/2434490/

Trump's Suite at Walter Reed Features Living, Working Spaces as Well as Medical Facilities

 

The Department of Defense runs Walter Reed, but the White House controls the presidential suite, which is as much a living space and office as a medical facility.

 

It includes an intensive care unit, a kitchen and a secure conference room. White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has his own office space in the medical center, and there are sleeping quarters for the White House physician to be present 24/7 during the president’s stay.

 

 

 

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Old said:

Trump is in Jehovah's hands? 

I rather have something better in my hands like chocolate.

[M.J.]

9 hours ago, Shawnster said:

since the hospital has a full office that the President can use to run the country, there was no need at this time to transfer power.  Trump was awake and alert and only complained about relatively mild effects of Coronavirus.  There simply isn't the need to transfer power at this time. 

The reason I mentioned it is because of the unique political climate, in which people are questoning if Trump will turn power over if he loses the election. So it makes the issue of whether or not he turns over temporary power before becoming unconscious, even more interesting.

Edited October 4, 2020 by M.J.

[CHecker]

13 minutes ago, M.J. said:

The reason I mentioned it is because of the unique political climate, in which people are questoning if Trump will turn power over if he loses the election. So it makes the issue of whether or not he turns over temporary power before becoming unconscious, even more interesting.

So, as Jehovah's people how does this affect us? Do we care if POTUS turns over power? Are we affected? Does it change Jehovah's position as regards P&S? The fall of BTG? Nope. So it's a dead discussion. 

[M.J.]

33 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

So, as Jehovah's people how does this affect us? Do we care if POTUS turns over power? Are we affected? Does it change Jehovah's position as regards P&S? The fall of BTG? Nope. So it's a dead discussion. 

@bagwell1987

I'm sorry if my comments came off the wrong way, but in context, it's not about who wins or loses, but how political events affect us.

 

I find it interesting because the country is on high alert, as many people feel a civil war could break out. If there is a political action, or inaction, that triggers a massive wave of riots across the country, I want to know to be as ready as possible, in a practical way.

 

The entire nation is on edge. People are either nervous or trigger happy.

 

On 9/11 I went out in service that morning.  We had heard about the plane crash,  but that was all. When we got to the territory, the householders were scared out of their mind and a lady told me, don't you know what's happening!? She looked at me like we were crazy to be out at a time like that. Even the police came by and looked jittery. We finally realized that we looked fanatical and needed to go home and watch what was unfolding. A brother told all parents to immediately go and sign their children out of school,  no matter what the school was claiming to avoid a panic. Ps. Parents, have someone authorized to pick up your kids if you are unable to.

Edited October 4, 2020 by M.J.

[M.J.]

21 hours ago, M.J. said:

When a president goes into the hospital for something serious, where he could become unconscious, he normally has a short ceremony in which the vice-president is sworn in as temporary acting president. But it didn't happen this time....there is no precedent for this...I see many issues could come up because of it....

 

Also, if Trump does recover, we are sure to hear a lot of comments about how God is miraculously backing and protecting Trump...it will make him appear invincible and drive the fanaticism surrounding him to new highs...

Did everyone see the video where several religious leaders are all praying over him? Craziest thing ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrRRARERv0A

 

@bagwell1987

Perhaps you didn't see my previous post which I'm pasting here, so you can see the context.

1) I mentioned that issues could come up due to an unconscious president

2) I mentioned how religious hypocrites were fawning over Trump, which is what has spurred a lot of fanaticism. The critique was actually against false religion.

I didn't view this as political leaning in any way.

Edited October 4, 2020 by M.J.

[Zephyr]

Dead discussion? Looks very alive to me. Keep it neutral. No below the waists

[ChrisC]

I understand a team of specialists are giving him the very best care.

 

[Lee49]

It appears Stumble the duck is getting more views - Go Stumble!

[Lee49]

Stumbles, Is this part of what you call  "lame duck " politics? 😂

[Tbs77]

A drive by? Oh well....it is what it is!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/04/great-reports-donald-trump-cuts-another-video-claims-progress/3617839001/

[Lee49]

 

How do pandemics end?

 

We are in the grip of a pandemic like none other in living memory. While people are pinning their hopes on a vaccine to wipe it out, the fact is most of the infections faced by our ancestors are still with us.

Click on link to find out how some of those pandemics came to an end, giving us clues as to how our future may unfold.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-876f42ae-5e44-41c0-ba2d-d6fd537aadfe

[BenJepthah]

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-archive-united-nations-54a3a5869c9ae4ee623497691e796083
      The WHO has announced that they have adjusted their estimate of those infected up to 10% of the world’s population.  They caution that this means that 90% are yet to be infected. 
       This is roughly double the previous estimate.  Question: if twice as many are already infected then what does that tell us about the percentage that Die from COVID ? 

[Shawnster]

From the article

 

The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization said Monday the agency’s “best estimates” indicate roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus — more than 20 times the number of confirmed cases — and warned of a difficult period ahead.

 

 

May have.... Best estimates... In other words, these are just models and speculations.  They could be wrong.  

[Shawnster]

President Donald Trump on Monday walked out of the military hospital where for three days he had been receiving an unprecedented level of care for COVID-19.

 

Trump leaves hospital to return to White House

 

http://www.therepublic.com/2020/10/05/trump-leaves-hospital-to-return-to-white-house/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

[BenJepthah]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

From the article

 

 

 

 

May have.... Best estimates... In other words, these are just models and speculations.  They could be wrong.  

they could be wrong seems to be the theme.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc-revises-coronavirus-guidance-to-acknowledge-that-it-spreads-through-airborne-transmission.html

    And then there is this.  Bottom line 6 feet isn’t near enough and masks are only good to a limited extent . Airborne transmission is a whole other ballgame.  

[Dustparticle]

12 hours ago, Shawnster said:

President Donald Trump on Monday walked out of the military hospital where for three days he had been receiving an unprecedented level of care for COVID-19.

 

Trump leaves hospital to return to White House

 

http://www.therepublic.com/2020/10/05/trump-leaves-hospital-to-return-to-white-house/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Should this be in the section of International Peace and Security? Lol......

Edited October 6, 2020 by Dustparticle

[BenJepthah]

Regarding the Treatment used with the president. With the possible exception of the use of a polyclonal antibody therapy ( experimental ) he would have received Budisemide ( which reduces receptor sites in the airways for which C-19 has an affinity ) Rendensivir,  Methylprednisone , and probably an anti clotting medication like Warfarin or eve Aspirin ( which he probably already takes). This is also what we use to treat COVID at my workplace. We have been using this regimen for months .  

[BenJepthah]

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-archive-united-nations-54a3a5869c9ae4ee623497691e796083
    If this is accurate.   And 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc-revises-coronavirus-guidance-to-acknowledge-that-it-spreads-through-airborne-transmission.html
   If this is accurate. Then.

     What I said months ago is true.  Everyone will eventually be exposed and get some form of this no matter how careful they are.  But, what I didn’t say mi the ago, they are very very likely going to survive.  
         One more thing though.  As the months have passed healthcare has gotten much better at treating this disease. THe longer you personally can delay getting this disease the better off you will be.  What is more. Wearing masks that are ineffective for COVID And social distancing in a way that in no way is distance enough for COVID will not prevent COVID, but it will prevent Influenza. Not transmitting Influenza ,which may be just as dangerous , is reason enough to preserve that personal practice.  Imagine that someone gets COVID, survives but is a little debilitated, then gets Influenza.  So it’s still worth doing.