New Rules

[Dustparticle]

 This is dangerous   https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/health/cdc-mask-guidance-vaccinated/index.html

[Old]

27 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

 This is dangerous   https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/health/cdc-mask-guidance-vaccinated/index.html

Possibly, but why? in your opinion.

[califlorican]

I’m still cautious, but just looking at the numbers- it does seem to be that in places where there is a large percentage of people vaccinated, hospitalizations/deaths of elderly ones- who were vaccinated first- are dropping. Which seems to indicate, along with studies showing their efficacy in the real world, that vaccination does work. Not 100% of course, but honestly- nothing does. 

 

I personally am comfortable with being with other fully vaccinated people in a small group, but I understand if some are still uncomfortable with that. I can’t say I’ll be likely to go around people I don’t know without a mask on though- for both our sakes, just in case! 

[Dustparticle]

14 hours ago, Old said:

Possibly, but why? in your opinion.

Different  strains, people who don't have have it, have it. My relative is a nurse tells me the same. and those who not wearing the masks who could spread it to you.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Dustparticle

[Good-O]

I am going to do what the FDS says to do.

[Bob]

Wonderful news. I haven’t masked since I’ve got my vaccine, unless required when I walk into a store or business. I still follow the rules of private enterprise. 
 

Otherwise, I found no reason to get the jab if nothing was going to change. 

Glad to see normalcy returning. 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Bob

[Bob]

6 hours ago, califlorican said:

I’m still cautious, but just looking at the numbers- it does seem to be that in places where there is a large percentage of people vaccinated, hospitalizations/deaths of elderly ones- who were vaccinated first- are dropping. Which seems to indicate, along with studies showing their efficacy in the real world, that vaccination does work. Not 100% of course, but honestly- nothing does. 

 

I personally am comfortable with being with other fully vaccinated people in a small group, but I understand if some are still uncomfortable with that. I can’t say I’ll be likely to go around people I don’t know without a mask on though- for both our sakes, just in case! 

Agree here. I do respect and understand how some are hesitant to gather. 
 

I’m totally comfortable around people, personally. 

[Bob]

18 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

 This is dangerous   https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/health/cdc-mask-guidance-vaccinated/index.html

I hear ya. But at the same time, the vaccines are pointless if nothing changes restriction-wise.

 

Brother Morris even stated last year that resuming in person congregation meetings were predicated on an effective vaccine being produced and distributed. 
 

So loosening restrictions is directly tied to vaccination.

 

But no one is forcing people to remove their masks. They’re progressively being no longer mandated. 

[Dustparticle]

4 hours ago, Bob said:

I hear ya. But at the same time, the vaccines are pointless if nothing changes restriction-wise.

 

Brother Morris even stated last year that resuming in person congregation meetings were predicated on an effective vaccine being produced and distributed. 
 

So loosening restrictions is directly tied to vaccination.

 

But no one is forcing people to remove their masks. They’re progressively being no longer mandated. 

At the same time we need to use common since.

[Bob]

13 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

At the same time we need to use common since.

Right, basically. Totally agree. 

[Nirex]

9 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

Different  strains, people who don't have have it, have it. My relative is a nurse tells me the same. and those who not wearing the masks who could spread it to you.

It doesn't help that we can't seem to trust even the official health sites anymore either.

[califlorican]

On 5/14/2021 at 2:47 PM, Nirex said:

It doesn't help that we can't seem to trust even the official health sites anymore either.

I'm not sure it's fair to say we shouldn't trust them; they were learning more about this novel virus as time went on. They still are! These organizations are being pressured by so many people that it seems impossible for them to make a decision that will make anyone happy. But there are probably good reasons for them to change the wording here - I believe it might be because of so many people saying that we didn't need lockdowns/social distancing/masks and that we should aim for "herd immunity". Well, that sounds good in theory, except for the hundreds of thousands (millions now) who would die in the meantime. 

 

So just my opinion- they changed the wording so people wouldn't use their words as an excuse to risk theirs and others' lives. 

[Bob]

3 hours ago, califlorican said:

I'm not sure it's fair to say we shouldn't trust them; they were learning more about this novel virus as time went on. They still are! These organizations are being pressured by so many people that it seems impossible for them to make a decision that will make anyone happy. But there are probably good reasons for them to change the wording here - I believe it might be because of so many people saying that we didn't need lockdowns/social distancing/masks and that we should aim for "herd immunity". Well, that sounds good in theory, except for the hundreds of thousands (millions now) who would die in the meantime. 

 

So just my opinion- they changed the wording so people wouldn't use their words as an excuse to risk theirs and others' lives. 

I am not sure I remember hearing anyone say we should just allow the virus to spread unabated to achieve "herd immunity" - not anyone is a position of authority or responsibility anyway. 

[Shawnster]

57 minutes ago, Bob said:

I am not sure I remember hearing anyone say we should just allow the virus to spread unabated to achieve "herd immunity" - not anyone is a position of authority or responsibility anyway. 

Depends on one's definition of "unabated." There was this discussion last year where herd immunity was advocated, especially among the 'young and healthy.' True, those advocates stated people int the 'at risk' category should stay quarantined or use precautions. 

 

 

[califlorican]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

I am not sure I remember hearing anyone say we should just allow the virus to spread unabated to achieve "herd immunity" - not anyone is a position of authority or responsibility anyway. 

Well, Sweden kind of went that route.

 

But I didn’t mean those in authority. Many in the general public have mentioned the idea of “herd immunity” time and time again. So that’s why I say I think it’s why WHO changed the wording- people who were pushing for fewer restrictions in order to get “herd immunity” could say last summer that WHO agreed with them. WHO changed it so people couldn’t continue to say that. 

[Dustparticle]

 I am in south of USA, Basically no rules. Scareses me.

[trottigy]

35 minutes ago, califlorican said:

Well, Sweden kind of went that route.

 

But I didn’t mean those in authority. Many in the general public have mentioned the idea of “herd immunity” time and time again. So that’s why I say I think it’s why WHO changed the wording- people who were pushing for fewer restrictions in order to get “herd immunity” could say last summer that WHO agreed with them. WHO changed it so people couldn’t continue to say that. 

You mean no one in "authority" like the Health and Human Services assistant secretary?

 

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A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a "herd immunity" approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by a House watchdog and shared with POLITICO.

 

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD," then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote on July 4 to his boss, Health and Human Services assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, and six other senior officials.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408

 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, califlorican said:

Well, Sweden kind of went that route.

 

But I didn’t mean those in authority. Many in the general public have mentioned the idea of “herd immunity” time and time again. So that’s why I say I think it’s why WHO changed the wording- people who were pushing for fewer restrictions in order to get “herd immunity” could say last summer that WHO agreed with them. WHO changed it so people couldn’t continue to say that. 

Hmm I recall them officially denying that. What they did admit was that they were attempting to avoid a full lockdown, and trusting their citizens to do the right things without the heavy hand of the government. 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Bob

[Bob]

42 minutes ago, trottigy said:

You mean no one in "authority" like the Health and Human Services assistant secretary?

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408

 

Well, I guess I meant it was never publicly stated that I was aware of.  

[Shawnster]

And... We're done! 

 

Ohio matching CDC guidance, will not require masks for vaccinated individuals

 

Gov. Mike DeWine announced Friday that Ohioans who are vaccinated won't be required to wear a mask—matching guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

"Ohio will be amending our remaining health orders to comply with the new CDC guidance, which says that those who have been vaccinated no longer need to wear masks, while those who have not been vaccinated should still wear a mask and socially distance," DeWine said.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/dewine-announces-ohio-matching-cdc-guidance-will-not-require-masks-for-vaccinated-individuals

[Tortuga]

20 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

while those who have not been vaccinated should still wear a mask and socially distance," DeWine said.

...and yell "Unclean, unclean!"

 

🤣

[Doug]

On 5/14/2021 at 8:45 AM, Bob said:

 

Brother Morris even stated last year that resuming in person congregation meetings were predicated on an effective vaccine being produced and distributed. 
 

So loosening restrictions is directly tied to vaccination.

 

He also said that vaccination is a personal decision for each individual to make.

So, then, if in-person meetings are predicated on vaccination , will only those vaccinated be allowed?

 

This makes me wonder if individual Bethel family members are invited to leave if they decline vaccination?  I can't imagine that at all.  And I think we would have heard about it , which we haven't.

[M.J.]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

So, then, if in-person meetings are predicated on vaccination , will only those vaccinated be allowed?

What about visitors? The scenario you describe wont' work. 

[Mykyl]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:11 AM, Shawnster said:

And... We're done! 

 

Ohio matching CDC guidance, will not require masks for vaccinated individuals

 

Gov. Mike DeWine announced Friday that Ohioans who are vaccinated won't be required to wear a mask—matching guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

"Ohio will be amending our remaining health orders to comply with the new CDC guidance, which says that those who have been vaccinated no longer need to wear masks, while those who have not been vaccinated should still wear a mask and socially distance," DeWine said.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/dewine-announces-ohio-matching-cdc-guidance-will-not-require-masks-for-vaccinated-individuals

Clearly they have not understood that masks are not to protect you the wearer. They are to protect others you come into contact with.
So far I have not come across anything that says that when vaccinated you cannot pass on Covid. It was still not known yet but I have not looked recently as I’m sick and tired of people’s attitudes. 
 

So wearing a mask whether vaccinated or not and despite local authority choices is about protecting anyone around us in enclosed buildings. We respect others lives, not just our own. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Mykyl

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Mykyl said:

Clearly they have not understood that masks are not to protect you the wearer. They are to protect others you come into contact with.
So far I have not come across anything that says that when vaccinated you cannot pass on Covid. It was still not known yet but I have not looked recently as I’m sick and tired of people’s attitudes. 
 

So wearing a mask whether vaccinated or not and despite local authority choices is about protecting anyone around us in enclosed buildings. We respect others lives, not just our own. 

Well, this large study shows that fully vaccinated people are less than half as likely to spread it, and that’s even if they contract it in the first place. The research is ongoing as well. 
 

No vaccine is 100 percent. So there will always be the possibility of a vaccinated person passing it. But that’s why you get your dose. So in case that happens, the likelihood of you getting really sick become a rarity. 
 

The more people are vaccinated, the less it spreads between people. So that’s why the push for vaccination. 
 

STUDY:
https://khub.net/documents/135939561/390853656/Impact+of+vaccination+on+household+transmission+of+SARS-COV-2+in+England.pdf/35bf4bb1-6ade-d3eb-a39e-9c9b25a8122a?t=1619601878136

 

But despite that, what I really do appreciate is that you’re free to practice the precautions in your personal life till you feel safe enough  to discontinue the precautions. You’re not being banned from doing so. 
 

That’s not a snarky remark by me, either. One of my best friends is still going to “mask up” every time he leaves the house. 
 

That’s fine by me.