Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Naturale]

2 hours ago, sunshine said:

 ...I forget the actual survival rate, but it must be every low.  

 

Coronavirus Cases:

74,741,396

view by country

Deaths:

1,659,111

Recovered:

52,553,079

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[rocket]

2 hours ago, sunshine said:

 

 

 

Yes exactly, so once the entire world is vaccinated we will be able to crunch the numbers and see if less people die after than die before.    Obviously it is so deadly, we cannot develop immunity naturally...I forget the actual survival rate, but it must be every low.  This way immunity  can be developed  in a controlled manner once -  they find out the effect of the vaccine long term.  Its a new technology so it must be rolled out globally to full study what it will do to people and children long term. 

 

The survival rate depends on your age. If you are over 80 years old and live in my county, 27% of those infected die. If you are between 70 and 80 only 7% die and below 70 it goes down to 1%. and none have died below 55 years old.  Age and health have a lot to do with the survival rate.  Those percentage rates change slightly weekly. The Dec.16 update for the whole State of Oregon, the death rate for over 80 is 16.6% and 6.1% for those 70 -80.

Edited December 17, 2020 by rocket

[The Outcast]

8 minutes ago, rocket said:

The survival rate depends on your age. If you are over 80 years old and live in my county, 27% of those infected die. If you are between 70 and 80 only 7% die and below 70 it goes down to 1%. and none have died below 55 years old.  Age and health have a lot to do with the survival rate.  Those percentage rates change slightly weekly.

https://katu.com/news/local/oregon-reports-highest-two-day-covid-19-related-death-toll

 

Also people under 55 have died in Oregon.

I hope I found the right Country.

[Naturale]

Case Fatality Rate for people with underlying health conditions – such as cardiovascular diseases, respiratory diseases or diabetes – is higher than for those without. Elderly people are more likely to have those conditions, which is likely to be part of the reason why the elderly are most at risk from COVID-19. 

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

[.Ivan.]

and I got covid 19, cold-like symptoms, no fever, only headache, slight muscle pain, no energy, exhausted .. I smell and taste but weaker and somehow strange, different, revealed by antigen test.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, rocket said:

The survival rate depends on your age. If you are over 80 years old and live in my county, 27% of those infected die. If you are between 70 and 80 only 7% die and below 70 it goes down to 1%. and none have died below 55 years old.  Age and health have a lot to do with the survival rate.  Those percentage rates change slightly weekly. The Dec.16 update for the whole State of Oregon, the death rate for over 80 is 16.6% and 6.1% for those 70 -80.

I don't understand your figures.  Do you have a link to a website I can read?

 

I especially do not understand your comment about no one below 55 dying of covid.  Richard Rose, 37, died of Covid-19 back in July.  The youngest Coronavirus death was a 17-year-old.

[Bob]

4 hours ago, sunshine said:

Bill Gates Said in a recent CNN interview he envisioned a possible retire to normal (no masks, no social distancing) by the sommer of 2022 if there is a high uptake of the vaccine all over the world.  Our brother are extra cautions so probably only have another 2 or 3 years before brings get back to normal.

 

 

What authority does Bill Gates have to comment on this and why should we listen to ANYTHING he has to say?

 

His opinion is just that.. an opinion from a businessman that can be ignored. 
 

Facui said normality will return by June 2021, then 24 hours later he said the winter of 2021.

 

I am starting to think that all of these people, even health officials, really don’t what they’re talking about. 
 

They’re guessing at the timetable to normality. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

4 hours ago, sunshine said:

 

 

 

Yes exactly, so once the entire world is vaccinated we will be able to crunch the numbers and see if less people die after than die before.    Obviously it is so deadly, we cannot develop immunity naturally...I forget the actual survival rate, but it must be every low.  This way immunity  can be developped  in a controlled manner once -  they find out the effect of the vaccine long term.  Its a new technology so it must be rolled out globally to full study what it will do to people and children long term. 

 

Yeah we don’t know but we do become immune after we recover. 
 

The survival rate depends on age and health, but overall it’s like 99.96 or something like that, so it’s actually very high survival rate.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[rocket]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

I don't understand your figures.  Do you have a link to a website I can read?

 

I especially do not understand your comment about no one below 55 dying of covid.  Richard Rose, 37, died of Covid-19 back in July.  The youngest Coronavirus death was a 17-year-old.

My post is based on the county Data that I live in.  The Data for the entire State is different. Because the data is from a previous week that I wrote down and that data changes weekly, I do not have a link.

[vern]

Lot of stories..... All i.got to say.....

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

What authority does Bill Gates have to comment on this and why should we listen to ANYTHING he has to say?

Bill Gates was expressing an opinion.  Why does anyone need authorization to express an opinion?  What am I missing that indicates otherwise? 

 

1 hour ago, Bob said:

 

I am starting to think that all of these people, even health officials, really don’t what they’re talking about. 
 

They’re guessing at the timetable to normality. 

Of course they are.  We all understand this, don't we? That's the whole nature of the term "novel" as in "novel coronavirus.". No one has any experience with this prior to the end of 2019. 

[Shawnster]

15 minutes ago, rocket said:

My post is based on the county Data that I live in.  The Data for the entire State is different. Because the data is from a previous week that I wrote down and that data changes weekly, I do not have a link.

Ah County. I read country.  Sorry. 

[AH173]

4 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

That's the whole nature of the term "novel" as in "novel coronavirus.".

I remember when I pointed this out to a member weeks and months ago. Oh the backlash. Oh the backlash. 

[Bob]

20 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Bill Gates was expressing an opinion.  Why does anyone need authorization to express an opinion?  What am I missing that indicates otherwise? 
 

He’s not expressing an opinion. Saying bars and restaurants have to stay closed for six months (what he said during that interview) is policy making. He’s got no authority to do that. 
 

Gates donates tens of millions to vaccine research and development. He think it buys him a seat at the table (but perhaps it does!)

 

 

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Of course they are.  We all understand this, don't we? That's the whole nature of the term "novel" as in "novel coronavirus.". No one has any experience with this prior to the end of 2019. 

We are told to take their word as gospel. Their guesses are made authoritatively, and those guesses influence public policy and have real world consequences, like business closures and lockdown policy.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[rocket]

2 minutes ago, Bob said:

 

We are told to take their word as gospel. Their guesses are made authoritatively, and those guesses influence public policy and have real world consequences, like business closures and lockdown policy.

If you were in need of "novel" heart surgery, who would you look to for information. A heart surgeon or a dentist.  I would much rather listen to a person who spent his whole life studying infectious diseases in regard a "novel virus"  than  a doctor/scientist with no experience in the field.  Almost half the people in the USA listened to Pres. Trump tout herd immunity, go get infected, as the answer. What did that lead to. More death!

[Bob]

@Shawnster I mean, imagine this scenario:

 

Meteorites hit the earth all the time. So you have some astronomer who predicts that based on the amount of meteorites hitting the earth in 2020, that means we are close to the “Big One” hitting us in 5 years, and he recommends that we all hide underground till 2027 to avoid it.

 

Nothing happens in 2026. 
 

That’s what I mean by how guesswork on behalf of health officials can have disastrous, real world consequences that are irreversible. 

[Bob]

6 minutes ago, rocket said:

If you were in need of "novel" heart surgery, who would you look to for information. A heart surgeon or a dentist.  I would much rather listen to a person who spent his whole life studying infectious diseases in regard a "novel virus"  than  a doctor/scientist with no experience in the field.  Almost half the people in the USA listened to Pres. Trump tout herd immunity, go get infected, as the answer. What did that lead to. More death!

Well, let’s not make this political.

 

If you don’t have experience with Covid, you’re just as useless as a dentist. 
 

Remember, Fauci and co. early on said don’t wear masks. In February he said we don’t need to change our lives.

 

He’s completely reversed that. 
 

So his study in infectious disease proved to help not one bit back then. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[Naturale]

 

“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,”  Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital

 

Israelis celebrated on Friday when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that the country had signed a deal with Pfizer Inc. to buy its novel coronavirus vaccine. But the fact remains that if Pfizer succeeds – or Moderna, with whom Israel also has a contract – these will be the first-ever messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines brought to market for human patients.

 

In order to receive Food and Drug Administration approval, the companies will have to prove there are no immediate or short-term negative health effects from taking the vaccines. But when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects.

 

... there are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.

 

www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=im

[Bob]

I am not saying we should not trust health officials. We should. We must. BUT this pandemic has demonstrated the need to question them. This has exposed health officials as frail and fallible humans and not the gatekeepers of scientific truth as we perceived them.

 

They are not gods. They don't know everything. They need to be questioned. They are not to be rejected or doubted, but a healthy skepticism is OK. 

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bob

[rocket]

I hope I'll get to live long enough to find out if the RNA vaccines have long term complications. In the mean time I'm getting the vaccine because of the positive data to date and because they have used RNA in treating cancer for a number of years with no ill effects that i've heard of.

[rocket]

34 minutes ago, Bob said:

Well, let’s not make this political.

 

If you don’t have experience with Covid, you’re just as useless as a dentist. 
 

Remember, Fauci and co. early on said don’t wear masks. In February he said we don’t need to change our lives.

 

He’s completely reversed that. 
 

So his study in infectious disease proved to help not one bit back then. 

I recon that's why they say doctors are "practicing medicine."  If they had all the answers they wouldn't have to practice.  Dr. Fauci made mistakes because it is a "novel virus." Unlike other doctors he learned from his mistakes and moved on.

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, rocket said:

I recon that's why they say doctors are "practicing medicine."  If they had all the answers they wouldn't have to practice.  Dr. Fauci made mistakes because it is a "novel virus." Unlike other doctors he learned from his mistakes and moved on.

Oh I like Fauci. I think he tries his best. But the issue with him is he loving all the attention all the press. He used to be an obscure figure. Now he's a celebrity. I don't think he can be relied on as a objective source of truth anymore. 

[hatcheckgirl]

Well, I never heard of Kerry Chant before this pandemic, did you? No? That’s because we’ve never needed to listen to the advice of the Chief Medical Officer in whatever country or or state we are in. 
 

We know they are imperfect men and women. We are in the last of the last days. It’s obviously going to be beyond them to solve the issues of this pandemic. But while we’re in it, it’s wise to follow the advice they give, because they still know more about viruses than you or I.
 

And we want to follow what the GB has said regarding following advice of superior authorities, who base their decisions on the medical advice of the time. 

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

And we want to follow what the GB has said regarding following advice of superior authorities, who base their decisions on the medical advice of the time. 

That's a good point. Are UNELECTED health officials (in the US anyway) the "superior authorities"?

 

I don't think so. Presidents, Governors, and Mayors are for sure. That's an interesting question, to be honest.

[runner92]

31 minutes ago, Bob said:

Oh I like Fauci. I think he tries his best. But the issue with him is he loving all the attention all the press. He used to be an obscure figure. Now he's a celebrity. I don't think he can be relied on as a objective source of truth anymore. 

Agreed.