Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[SUNRAY]

5 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

If so, it would be in a future article or book

Or Governing Body update?

[rolypoly]

I don't post much, and I'm just being silly here.  Be gentle.

 

My prediction:  USA-- TRUMP Day 1-- suddenly ENDS Russia/Ukraine War & Israel Conflicts etc. (just as he is boasting he will).   But proud Trump won't admit a USA/NATO defeat anywhere and will propose a "Deal" through a 3rd party (UN), KOTN/S cede power to UN for an hour to facilitate a world peace deal (to end all the KOTN/S conflicts at once).  Jehovah gives them the idea to be OK w it, they think its a good idea (one thought).  The UN includes the dismantling of religion in the deal but disguises it w vague language or some disguise?.  The UN attacks btg, Nations weep when they realize what they did.  P&S.  They poke Jah's eye,  The End.

 

Perfect guy to make waves. Or not. Only a multiverse of possibilities😂

[LeolaRootStew]

Since we're theorizing:

 

Trump starts going after the "deep state" in America and makes real strides, but because of extradition laws he can only do so much when people escape the US. He begins peace talks with other countries who agree that the deep state is a pernicious global enemy and the only way to get rid of it is to join forces via the UN.

 

The UN declares that they have defeated the deep state and now there is peace and security. They are then told that in order to maintain this newfound peace, religion must also be destroyed. 

[rolypoly]

1 minute ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Since we're theorizing:

 

Trump starts going after the "deep state" in America and makes real strides, but because of extradition laws he can only do so much when people escape the US. He begins peace talks with other countries who agree that the deep state is a pernicious global enemy and the only way to get rid of it is to join forces via the UN.

 

The UN declares that they have defeated the deep state and now there is peace and security. They are then told that in order to maintain this newfound peace, religion must also be destroyed. 

Same...

[Dustparticle]

Just a reminder to some, it is not all about Trump. It is all about how Jehovah maneuver  the NATIONS to this. 

[Ahuvah]

7 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

Just a reminder to some, it is not all about Trump. It is all about how Jehovah maneuver  the NATIONS to this. 

Yes. Thank you! The only part he may play is being one of the Kings of all the nations that relinquish power by Jehovah’s hand. IF he is sworn in or in power when it happens. He may though, make trouble for the witnesses in the meantime, but any leader can do that or be party to it.

[New World Explorer]

Donald Trump has warned there will be “hell to pay” if remaining Israeli hostages are not released before his first day back in the White House next month.

Taking to social media platform Truth Social, the president-elect said not enough was being done to free hostages – in an apparent reference to those taken by Palestinian militant group Hamas during its October 7, 2023 attack.

“Everybody is talking about the hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanely, and against the will of the entire World, in the Middle East – But it’s all talk, and no action!” Mr Trump wrote on Monday, without naming Hamas specifically.

“Please let this TRUTH serve to represent that if the hostages are not released prior to January 20, 2025, the date that I proudly assume Office as President of the United States, there will be ALL HELL TO PAY in the Middle East, and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against Humanity.”https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-threatens-all-hell-to-pay-if-hostages-are-not-released-by-deadline/news-story/acabbcc9fc80055d123c88f90ad77968

 

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

Yep

there s no time because GT lasts “1hour” a very short period of time 

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Yes, but I'm talking about the time period from the destruction of BtG until Armageddon.

 

[vern]

Define the wild beast.

 

Define the kings with no kingdom

 

Define they

 

Define holding back till the slaves are sealed in their forheads.

[Shawnster]

15 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

 

Does this indicate that once the nations give their power to the UN they will never get it back? 

 

1. Does it matter? If they regain their individual power, what would change? The destruction will have already begun. That comet won't be stopped. 

 

2. It's not often that some group who has been given such powers will give those powers up willingly. Perhaps part of the destruction could be those individual nations trying to forcibly regain control. 

 

3. How long do you think the Great Tribulation will last? Will I even last long enough for the UN to lose the power given it. 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

1. Does it matter? If they regain their individual power, what would change? The destruction will have already begun. That comet won't be stopped. 

 

Intellectual curiosity. I had never considered it before reading that verse.

 

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

3. How long do you think the Great Tribulation will last? Will I even last long enough for the UN to lose the power given it. 

 

No idea. Could be months, could be more than a year. All I know is that their desire to destroy us will be their undoing, and knowing that the end will come when we are a target will be a great incentive for me to preach any sort of hailstone message with great zeal - the end is nigh!

 

9 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

Just a reminder to some, it is not all about Trump. It is all about how Jehovah maneuver  the NATIONS to this. 

 

Why are people so touchy when Trump is brought up? Trump is a new piece on the chess board and that will always affect things. Every time there is a change in the world order I theorize how it can lead to the end - right now that change is Trump. It's nothing personal, he's just the latest wild card. Do you see anything wrong with the theory itself - it literally involves all the nations? I don't think it's less legitimate just because it includes Trump.

[Ahuvah]

12 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Why are people so touchy when Trump is brought up? Trump is a new piece on the chess board and that will always affect things. Every time there is a change in the world order I theorize how it can lead to the end - right now that change is Trump. It's nothing personal, he's just the latest wild card. Do you see anything wrong with the theory itself - it literally involves all the nations? I don't think it's less legitimate just because it includes Trump.

 

Been pondering  your well thought out question.

 

The answer is simple. Yes he's part of a political chessboard ... and his moves will affect individuals one way or the other. But the label has been slapped on the King chess piece, and that label can fall off anytime or be replaced.

 

He is not though, part of the prophetic chessboard. Very few prophecies remain unfulfilled this point in time. 

We have the final sealing of the anointed. No trump needed.

We have Jehovah inserting the one thought into the ALL of the Kings to give UN power. No trump needed. (Him possibly being part of the collective notwithstanding) 

The turning on BBTG. No trump needed

Gathering the nations together for judgement. No trump needed

Hailstone message. Definitely no trump needed.

Remnant departing. No need to say more. 

Attack of Gog of Magog. Although it MAY involve him, he's not needed for this to happen.

 

Why this is important to many, myself included, when it's brought up ... is that very well meaning brothers and sisters, not just jwtalk, but even locally are looking to Trump as a chess piece from Jehovah. 

 

This system is in checkmate, Jehovah doesn't need any individual to complete things. At his appointed time, he will step in and expose the checkmate while they all think the game could still be won.

 

I worry, and it's not MY worry I know, but I care because the brotherhood is very special to me, that when one looks in one way, they might be blindsided from another direction. 

 

I've had a very dear friend convey an illustration to me, that has bowled me over in its simplicity. 

We aren't reading a mystery novel. Jehovah has shown us, not just the path everyone is taking, but he's given us all the ending. And what an ending!  By focusing in on an individual...  it could well take us down a dark alley, and if that individual falls by the way ... it can be hard to get back on track.

 

So, while keeping on the watch, by using what HAS been revealed is certainly appropriate.  Keeping our minds on the ending, helps us to see the markers in the scriptures.

 

That's how I see it ... we are at the finish line ... Satan is there trying to trip us up before we get there. 

Edited December 5 by Ahuvah

[LeolaRootStew]

5 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

 

Been pondering  your well thought out question.

 

The answer is simple. Yes he's part of a political chessboard ... and his moves will affect individuals one way or the other. But the label has been slapped on the King chess piece, and that label can fall off anytime or be replaced.

 

He is not though, part of the prophetic chessboard. Very few prophecies remain unfulfilled this point in time. 

We have the final sealing of the anointed. No trump needed.

We have Jehovah inserting the one thought into the ALL of the Kings to give UN power. No trump needed. (Him possibly being part of the collective notwithstanding) 

The turning on BBTG. No trump needed

Gathering the nations together for judgement. No trump needed

Hailstone message. Definitely no trump needed.

Remnant departing. No need to say more. 

Attack of Gog of Magog. Although it MAY involve him, he's not needed for this to happen.

 

Why this is important to many, myself included, when it's brought up ... is that very well meaning brothers and sisters, not just jwtalk, but even locally are looking to Trump as a chess piece from Jehovah. 

 

This system is in checkmate, Jehovah doesn't need any individual to complete things. At his appointed time, he will step in and expose the checkmate while they all think the game could still be won.

 

I worry, and it's not MY worry I know, but I care because the brotherhood is very special to me, that when one looks in one way, they might be blindsided from another direction. 

 

I've had a very dear friend convey an illustration to me, that has bowled me over in its simplicity. 

We aren't reading a mystery novel. Jehovah has shown us, not just the path everyone is taking, but he's given us all the ending. And what an ending!  By focusing in on an individual...  it could well take us down a dark alley, and if that individual falls by the way ... it can be hard to get back on track.

 

So, while keeping on the watch, by using what HAS been revealed is certainly appropriate.  Keeping our minds on the ending, helps us to see the markers in the scriptures.

 

That's how I see it ... we are at the finish line ... Satan is there trying to trip us up before we get there. 

 

I'm not bothered by the possibility he may be gone tomorrow and have nothing at all to do with the end times. This is like a mystery novel, one that starts by revealing the end and then goes back to the beginning so you can guess with each turn of the page how each new detail will lead to the ending you already know. Even having our expectations subverted is part of the fun of this "mystery". It's very exciting, and guessing is part of the fun.

 

I've taken this same approach with each president and this system has still not ended - yet I'm not disappointed or derailed. On the contrary, it keeps my mind engaged and eager to see the fulfillment of prophecy. When the nations give their power to the UN I will not be disappointed if it takes a completely different route than what I can imagine; in fact, that makes it even more exciting because I know it's in Jehovah's hands and he is wiser than we are.

 

As far as the UN situation, it's possible to make some predictions about how that comes about. We know the thought comes from Jehovah, but it will still make logical sense to the nations based on the transcript of the AM:

 

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there will come a time when all political powers on earth...will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the United Nations to try to solve some of the problems in the world.

 

They will be trying to solve some sort of problem by joining forces. Some of us like to guess what that problem could possibly be. Since the US is one of the big 5 countries in the UN, they can have a lot of influence on convincing other countries to join - that means Trump could have a role in convincing them (or not). Will the problem they are trying to solve be related to something Trump has promised to work on or will it be entirely new on the world scene (like another pandemic)? We don't know.

 

But for those of us who like to guess, it feels like if we can come up with any kind of story to connect the dots between today and the "one thought" then the end feels closer for us. So please show patience for those of us who get excited theorizing because, rather than derailing us, it's what helps us to stay on track.

 

P.S. If I had lived in Jerusalem I would have been one of those people trying to guess how we could flee to the mountains with the Roman armies surrounding us. I would have come up with theories like, maybe we'll have to dress up like soldiers and sneak away, maybe we will try to sneak away at night, or maybe the army will give people the opportunity to "surrender" and that will be our way out. I would not have been disappointed that the army up and left; I would have been gushing about how awesome Jehovah is to come up with a solution I couldn't even dream of.

[Ahuvah]

9 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I'm not bothered by the possibility he may be gone tomorrow and have nothing at all to do with the end times. This is like a mystery novel, one that starts by revealing the end and then goes back to the beginning so you can guess with each turn of the page how each new detail will lead to the ending you already know. Even having our expectations subverted is part of the fun of this "mystery". It's very exciting, and guessing is part of the fun.

 

I've taken this same approach with each president and this system has still not ended - yet I'm not disappointed or derailed. On the contrary, it keeps my mind engaged and eager to see the fulfillment of prophecy. When the nations give their power to the UN I will not be disappointed if it takes a completely different route than what I can imagine; in fact, that makes it even more exciting because I know it's in Jehovah's hands and he is wiser than we are.

 

As far as the UN situation, it's possible to make some predictions about how that comes about. We know the thought comes from Jehovah, but it will still make logical sense to the nations based on the transcript of the AM:

 

 

They will be trying to solve some sort of problem by joining forces. Some of us like to guess what that problem could possibly be. Since the US is one of the big 5 countries in the UN, they can have a lot of influence on convincing other countries to join - that means Trump could have a role in convincing them (or not). Will the problem they are trying to solve be related to something Trump has promised to work on or will it be entirely new on the world scene (like another pandemic)? We don't know.

 

But for those of us who like to guess, it feels like if we can come up with any kind of story to connect the dots between today and the "one thought" then the end feels closer for us. So please show patience for those of us who get excited theorizing because, rather than derailing us, it's what helps us to stay on track.

 

P.S. If I had lived in Jerusalem I would have been one of those people trying to guess how we could flee to the mountains with the Roman armies surrounding us. I would have come up with theories like, maybe we'll have to dress up like soldiers and sneak away, maybe we will try to sneak away at night, or maybe the army will give people the opportunity to "surrender" and that will be our way out. I would not have been disappointed that the army up and left; I would have been gushing about how awesome Jehovah is to come up with a solution I couldn't even dream 

You and I definitely share similar thoughts. And theorizing is great. We are all a team though and sometimes others comments can contribute to our final conclusions. We have a brother here who often brings up every little thing Trump is doing ... it's at the point where I don't feel compelled to make conversation with him.

 

But I'm certainly with you on filling in the dots and when the Bible is silent there is certainly some leeway for artistic license. 

 

I feel with the UN ... it's going to be suddenly obvious and that Jehovah is in the mix. I find that so exciting. I'm not looking for steps or signs leading up to it.

 

Thanks for sharing I've really enjoyed it. ❤️ 

[Dhanyel]

Perhaps this false peace and security comes during Trump’s government, if it is not already being fulfilled. Of course, this is just a personal opinion, of no importance, but I would really like more clarification about this prophecy in Thessalonians.

 

 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

Perhaps this false peace and security comes during Trump’s government, if it is not already being fulfilled. 

 

 

If you have to use the word if, then you can rest assured the fulfillment is not yet. The peace and security prophecy is not going to be easy to miss. 

[Dhanyel]

4 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

If you have to use the word if, then you can rest assured the fulfillment is not yet. The peace and security prophecy is not going to be easy to miss. 

Right, I meant to ask if it could be in progress—not necessarily fulfilled yet, but perhaps in line to be fulfilled, in project, under discussion, or gradually developing

[Dhanyel]

Catholic nun among 25 arrested in mob bust in northern Italy

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/05/europe/catholic-nun-25-arrested-italy-intl-latam/index.html

[vern]

Wow.  Busted.

[BLEmom]

On 12/3/2024 at 10:16 PM, LeolaRootStew said:

Since we're theorizing:

 

Trump starts going after the "deep state" in America and makes real strides, but because of extradition laws he can only do so much when people escape the US. He begins peace talks with other countries who agree that the deep state is a pernicious global enemy and the only way to get rid of it is to join forces via the UN.

 

The UN declares that they have defeated the deep state and now there is peace and security. They are then told that in order to maintain this newfound peace, religion must also be destroyed. 

I think Trump is one of the worst team players I’ve ever seen in American politics. He has over the years complained about china, Mexico, NATO and the UN. 
If he ends up being the one to hand over power to the UN, then there’s no doubt it would be Jehovah making him do it! I just wonder if we will see him eating grass in the field if he does! 😂

Just in case….that was a Nebuchadnezzar joke 😜

[Tortuga]

15 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

I think Trump is one of the worst team players I’ve ever seen in American politics. He has over the years complained about china, Mexico, NATO and the UN. 
If he ends up being the one to hand over power to the UN, then there’s no doubt it would be Jehovah making him do it! I just wonder if we will see him eating grass in the field if he does! 😂

Just in case….that was a Nebuchadnezzar joke 😜

[Dustparticle]

56 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

If he doesn’t eat it, then he might smoke it.

[Julsey]

Just like to bring up 1 Pet. 2:17 here. There’s a place for humour, but as Jehovah’s people, we have to be careful about what we say, especially on the internet. A lot of things cross my mind when watching politicians, but that doesn’t mean that it would be a good idea to share any of them. Just my opinion, FWIW. 

Edited December 7 by Julsey
Typo

[truce]

18 hours ago, Julsey said:

Just like to bring up 1 Pet. 2:17 here. There’s a place for humour, but as Jehovah’s people, we have to be careful about what we say, especially on the internet. A lot of things cross my mind when watching politicians, but that doesn’t mean that it would be a good idea to share any of them. Just my opinion, FWIW. 

I couldn't agree more. 

[Dhanyel]

Syrian rebels appear to have entered Damascus as regime’s defenses collapse

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-civil-war-12-07-2024-intl/index.html