Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Tortuga]

2 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Such a manipulation would give Satan opportunity to complain against Jehovah and why he is “meddling” in earthly affairs… so I do not subscribe to above comments. I simply view that Jehovah foresaw future events and unfolded his purpose accordingly. (I don’t see an angelic Doctor Who with a screw driver fixing a timeline) 

I think Mathew chapter 2 disagrees with you.

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, Tortuga said:

I think Mathew chapter 2 disagrees with you.

The writer is in heaven so I need to watch my steps and avoid any possible thunder strikes LOL 😂 

Why do I complicate my life? LOL 😂😂😂

[jwzhang]

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Ensures National Security and Economic Resilience Through Section 232 Actions on Processed Critical Minerals and Derivative Products – The White House


Not sure what this really means or will lead to, but these numbers are almost comical? It just keeps increasing

[Dark King]

I was inactive for 6 years from 2000 to 2006. When I came back into the truth, my mom recommended two publications for me to read cuz she can tell I was missing some things and that was the reason she said the reason why I became inactive and was inactive for so long.

 

She recommended these two books.

 

The Proclaimers book the old one and I recommend the physical copy because it has pictures and she also recommended the Daniel prophecy book and also again recommend the physical copy because it has pictures.

 

Maybe some of you have parents or grandparents in the truth that has a physical copies, but I recommend everybody read these two books and because they are foundational books in the truth.

 

And please see if you can find someone who has the physical books because like I said, the physical books have pictures and those illustrations are worth way more than a thousand words. They are worth millions of words and get into the footnotes of both publications and meditate on all the scriptures.

 

Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimer's of the Good News.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r1/lp-e/jv

 

Pay attention Daniel's prophecy 

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r1/lp-e/dp

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:57 PM by Dark King

[Dark King]

League of Nation also the United Nation.

 

The brothers knew about both during the first world war. There was a famous speech given about Can Peace Last during the first world war, about the League of Nation and the United Nation.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1958767#h=27:0-30:823

 

I can only imagine how faith strengthening it was for the brothers and sisters during that time to see the League of Nation and then peace comes for a while and then the United Nation come into existence and the brothers of the government body and their associate anointed ones knew everything way in advance. They watch as United Nation was being formed and seen within the charter of the United Nation. The elements and the mechanism needed to turn on false religion way back then. Truly amazing to think about.

Edited Wednesday at 01:00 PM by Dark King

[carlos]

13 hours ago, Tortuga said:

I haven't heard that before. What year was that information included in the Pioneer school?

 

Instructors at Pioneer School or Elders' School have some latitude on how to approach the lessons. It's not unusual for instructors to share some ideas that are not included in the contents of the course but are their own opinions, musings or experiences. I think that's what happened in this case. I have attended Pioneer School twice and many subjects discussed were completely different every time. I recently attended Elders' School and each instructor added tidbits, pieces of advice, or ideas that were not in the book but were their own. That makes every school unique and enriching.

 

It's like when someone says "My CO told us this or that". Well, COs are human and have their own opinions on things too. That doesn't mean everything they say is a fact. Our CO recently said Noah had never seen rain.

[computerwiz]

19 hours ago, Doug said:

Wouldn't it be awesome if DOGE took a hard look at tax exempt status of churches?  For example, does this church endorse one candidate over another during an election?

 

 

[Dhanyel]

The global trade war will badly hurt the US and global economies, WTO says

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/business/tariffs-wto-global-trade-economy-intl/index.html

[Old]

2 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

The global trade war will badly hurt the US and global economies, WTO says

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/business/tariffs-wto-global-trade-economy-intl/index.html

So?

[Dages]

2 hours ago, Old said:

So?

Just one more step towards the GT.
 

 

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, Old said:

So?

The World Trade Organization on Wednesday said that the volume of global trade is expected to decline by 0.2 percent in 2025 under current conditions – or “nearly three percentage points lower” than a low-tariff baseline scenario.

The spillover effect of Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs”,  most of which have been paused until July, could lead to an “even sharper decline of 1.5 percent in global goods trade and hurt export-oriented least-developed countries,” the WTO said.

The UN’s Trade and Development (UNCTAD) office also revised its prediction for global growth downwards from 2.5 percent to 2.3 percent in 2025, noting in its assessment that growth below a threshold of 2.5 percent often signals a global recession.So…. Global recession could potentially have impact on “Peace and Security” especially on Security part where people all over the world don’t feel secure economically therefore opening possibilities where “fix” is offered and people feel secure at least economically… or there could be many other scenarios … So…. lets see how this plays out …

[JennyM]

9 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

The global trade war will badly hurt the US and global economies, WTO says

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/16/business/tariffs-wto-global-trade-economy-intl/index.html

world economy is interconnected to one another.. if US economy sneezes, other countries will get infected.

[Shawnster]

7 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

The World Trade Organization on Wednesday said that the volume of global trade is expected to decline by 0.2 percent in 2025

 

So, is this two tenths of one percent or is this two percent? 

[SheyZ]

7 hours ago, Dages said:

Just one more step towards the GT.
 

 

🟣Rev 22:20...Yes, I am coming quickly.’” “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”

 🟣 unlike never before, the earth is falling apart at the same time.

🟣Matthew 24:22 .. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut

[ChrisC]

On 4/15/2025 at 11:33 PM, Tortuga said:

I was really hoping to see a WT study article about his talk, but I don't see one yet.

So you are saying more new stuff at the A.M. and a bumper 256 page WT next summer with all the details?

I like your thinking!

 

[Tortuga]

7 hours ago, Dages said:

Just one more step towards the GT.

Is it?

 

*** w77 1/15 p. 49 par. 22 Build Up Your Confidence Now for the Future ***
Stock markets and prices may fall and heads of governments may topple, but these are not barometers that determine or measure the closeness of the storm of the “great tribulation.” 
 

 

[trottigy]

This is interesting https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/us/tax-exempt-status-irs-harvard.html

What Is Tax-Exempt Status and Can the I.R.S. Revoke It From Harvard?

 

Quote

Eligible organizations include those whose purpose is “charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition and preventing cruelty to children or animals,” according to the I.R.S.

 

The I.R.S. determines which organizations meet the criteria for tax-exempt status. The agency has at times revoked tax-exempt status, for example after audits that found political or commercial activities that violated the terms of eligibility.

 

If they can just revoke the tax-exempt status from one of the oldest institutions in the US (and one that has been exempt for almost as long) they can easily do it to any organization or religion.

 

That seems interesting to watch.

[Cool.As.Ice]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

Is it?

 

*** w77 1/15 p. 49 par. 22 Build Up Your Confidence Now for the Future ***
Stock markets and prices may fall and heads of governments may topple, but these are not barometers that determine or measure the closeness of the storm of the “great tribulation.” 
 

 

 

11 hours ago, Old said:

So?

They are however, a part of the sign. Don’t forget about 2 Timothy. You brothers know the verses I’m talking about already, so I’ll just quote verses 1 & 3:

(2 Timothy 3:1) 3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=55003001&srcid=share

(2 Timothy 3:3) 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=55003003&srcid=share

 

The trade war is great example of the nations being “not open to any agreement”, because of KOTS’ actions against the KOTN in starting this global trade war, with a least a part of the KOTN (China) retaliating, and neither one backing down or giving an inch, regardless of the severe economic pain that they are imposing on their subjects.

 

On that note, remember Jesus’ words @ Matthew:

(Matthew 24:7) 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=40024007&srcid=share

 

The fact that the kings are engaged in this knockdown, drag out economic boxing match

is a sign, I believe, that the great tribulation is fast approaching. 
 

I would also think too, that the economic pain that results, would aggravate the effects of the rider of the black horse in Revelation 6:5,6. As the tariffs drag on, food will likely become much harder and more expensive to buy. 
 

Back in the old days, one job would suffice to raise a family, own a home, and maintain a car. Nowadays, many people (including yours truly) work multiple jobs and slave away for many hours just to have the bare necessities.

 

People like to complain that young people “don’t wanna work”; but fail to take into account that the older generation had things MUCH easier when they were young, as opposed to us now. 

I might be venting a bit, but this reflects my anger and frustration over just how difficult it is just to provide for myself out here. If I feel that way, imagine how much more of a struggle a family head has to make, trying to provide for a family out here now. Single parents, as well.
 

In any event, we expect things to become worse before they become better.

Edited Thursday at 03:32 PM by Cool.As.Ice

[Tortuga]

35 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

They are however, a part of the sign.

True, as we see the prophecies being fulfilled, it confirms that we are in the last days. We don't need to see all of the details, each war, each crime, each riot, to know that we are in the last days. The recent fluctuations in the stock market, whether they are temporary or permanent, is just more indication that we are in the last days, but it doesn't affect Jehovah's timeline at all. They aren't steps to the GT, they are part of the scenery along the way.

Edited Thursday at 04:04 PM by Tortuga

[Dustparticle]

17 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

 

They are however, a part of the sign. Don’t forget about 2 Timothy. You brothers know the verses I’m talking about already, so I’ll just quote verses 1 & 3:

(2 Timothy 3:1) 3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=55003001&srcid=share

(2 Timothy 3:3) 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=55003003&srcid=share

 

The trade war is great example of the nations being “not open to any agreement”, because of KOTS’ actions against the KOTN in starting this global trade war, with a least a part of the KOTN (China) retaliating, and neither one backing down or giving an inch, regardless of the severe economic pain that they are imposing on their subjects.

 

On that note, remember Jesus’ words @ Matthew:

(Matthew 24:7) 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=40024007&srcid=share

 

The fact that the kings are engaged in this knockdown, drag out economic boxing match

is a sign, I believe, that the great tribulation is fast approaching. 
 

I would also think too, that the economic pain that results, would aggravate the effects of the rider of the black horse in Revelation 6:5,6. As the tariffs drag on, food will likely become much harder and more expensive to buy. 
 

Back in the old days, one job would suffice to raise a family, own a home, and maintain a car. Nowadays, many people (including yours truly) work multiple jobs and slave away for many hours just to have the bare necessities.

 

People like to complain that young people “don’t wanna work”; but fail to take into account that the older generation had things MUCH easier when they were young, as opposed to us now. 

I might be venting a bit, but this reflects my anger and frustration over just how difficult it is just to provide for myself out here. If I feel that way, imagine how much more of a struggle a family head has to make, trying to provide for a family out here now. Single parents, as well.
 

In any event, we expect things to become worse before they become better.

 

 Good points. No matter what party she belongs to, I told a woman that ever since the market collapse in 1929, basically all economic plans has failed. It is a part of the system we live in. 

[Shawnster]

13 hours ago, Dages said:

Just one more step towards the GT.
 

 

Isn't everything just one more step closer? 

Edited Thursday at 08:23 PM by Shawnster

[Ahuvah]

Just now, Shawnster said:

Isn't everything just one more step closer? 

Yup ... one day (Maybe soon, maybe not) ... my breakfast will be the last breakfast I have in this system. 

[jps]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Isn't everything just one more step closer? 

 

we have never ever been this close the end before (😁)

[Ahuvah]

9 minutes ago, jps said:

 

we have never ever been this close the end before (😁)

Well actually,now we are 9 minutes closer. 😄 🤣 😂 

[Áine]

7 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Is it?

 

*** w77 1/15 p. 49 par. 22 Build Up Your Confidence Now for the Future ***
Stock markets and prices may fall and heads of governments may topple, but these are not barometers that determine or measure the closeness of the storm of the “great tribulation.” 
 

 

Every day is a step closer