Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[ucastrobr]

 

 

 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Hope said:

It is worse.

 

The president himself posted that meme... no one is mocking him in this instance but he himself. 😕 

 

If the president himself posted racist imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

If the president himself posts pornographic imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

Just because the president created and posted propaganda does not mean we need to share it.  I don't want to see propaganda and I don't think my brothers and sisters want to, either. 

 

Trump did this. Trump did thst.  I can't believe he dud this and that. Look how disgusting. Did you see the disgusting things? Here, let me show you the disgusting things. 

 

Did our brothers and sisters share the disgusting things Obama did? Or do we, in our hearts, feel Trump is so much worse than Obama? 

 

Were we as obsessed with Biden, Obama, Bush the 2nd, or Clinton as we seem to be with Trump and sharing every disgusting move made? 

 

If not, then maybe our neutrality is affected.  If we treat or view this president any differently than previous presidents, then maybe our neutrality is affected. If this president affects our emotions (positive or negative) more than a previous president, then maybe our neutrality is affected. 

 

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

He's part of the King of the South. That's reason enough.

 

Sorry, I don't understand. Why is that any reason for Christians to spread propaganda generated by the King of the South? Are we it's mouthpiece?

 

I know, it's just the news of the day.

 

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I guess I just feel differently. This doesn't even register for me, so it's not affecting my neutrality, but I understand others are in different places right now. 💜

 

How does it affect others around you? 

 

If it doesn't register, good for you. It must be registering for others, though, because here we are discussing it on a forum dedicated to Christians. It graced my inbox on Facebook first thing this morning. 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

How does it affect others around you? 

 

If it doesn't register, good for you. It must be registering for others, though, because here we are discussing it on a forum dedicated to Christians. It graced my inbox on Facebook first thing this morning. 

 

I'm not the one who posted it. I acknowledged that other people may be affected, but I literally did nothing to contribute to this. This kind of thing does not interest me, but clearly it interests others or they wouldn't be sharing it.

 

[navco]

27 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

If the president himself posted racist imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

If the president himself posts pornographic imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

Just because the president created and posted propaganda does not mean we need to share it.  I don't want to see propaganda and I don't think my brothers and sisters want to, either. 

 

Trump did this. Trump did thst.  I can't believe he dud this and that. Look how disgusting. Did you see the disgusting things? Here, let me show you the disgusting things. 

 

Did our brothers and sisters share the disgusting things Obama did? Or do we, in our hearts, feel Trump is so much worse than Obama? 

 

Were we as obsessed with Biden, Obama, Bush the 2nd, or Clinton as we seem to be with Trump and sharing every disgusting move made? 

 

If not, then maybe our neutrality is affected.  If we treat or view this president any differently than previous presidents, then maybe our neutrality is affected. If this president affects our emotions (positive or negative) more than a previous president, then maybe our neutrality is affected. 

 

 

Sorry, I don't understand. Why is that any reason for Christians to spread propaganda generated by the King of the South? Are we it's mouthpiece?

 

I know, it's just the news of the day.

 

 

How does it affect others around you? 

 

If it doesn't register, good for you. It must be registering for others, though, because here we are discussing it on a forum dedicated to Christians. It graced my inbox on Facebook first thing this morning. 

 

I get and agree what you are saying but it does seem the propaganda is intensifying recently but i assume the propaganda during the world wars where crazy as well ... just thinking out loud  the wicked rulers time is coming to a end.edit but now as i think about it brute force propaganda or slicker propaganda which is just as bad is all around us .... its satans world.

Edited Monday at 06:03 PM by navco
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[Hope]

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

If the president himself posted racist imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

If the president himself posts pornographic imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

Just because the president created and posted propaganda does not mean we need to share it.  I don't want to see propaganda and I don't think my brothers and sisters want to, either. 

I agree that the imagery is not worth sharing. However, they do seem to illustrate the speedy and barely imaginable descent into madness and destruction this system is headed. Who could even think of these things ten years ago?

 

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Trump did this. Trump did thst.  I can't believe he dud this and that. Look how disgusting. Did you see the disgusting things? Here, let me show you the disgusting things. 

 

Did our brothers and sisters share the disgusting things Obama did? Or do we, in our hearts, feel Trump is so much worse than Obama? 

 

Were we as obsessed with Biden, Obama, Bush the 2nd, or Clinton as we seem to be with Trump and sharing every disgusting move made? 

Not favoring anyone... but I cannot recall this level of gleeful public (at least) degradation, cruelty, and ignorance depicted in words or pictures by any other president or his administration; and I can remember back to Nixon. Yes - they are all bad, absolutely. The madness displayed every. single. day. of the current administration is one for the books, however. 😕 

 

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

If not, then maybe our neutrality is affected.  If we treat or view this president any differently than previous presidents, then maybe our neutrality is affected. If this president affects our emotions (positive or negative) more than a previous president, then maybe our neutrality is affected. 

 

 

These are very good points and definitely something for us all to constantly keep in mind. It *is* the news of the day and some do pay attention to the news. I know it's challenging for me because I like to be informed... and this circus of world politics lately is dangerously entertaining. It's like watching a car wreck. I am so grateful to know where all this is heading and I do pray and work hard to keep my eyes off the newsfeeds. It's tough sometimes - because I can barely believe what I'm seeing.

 

But, I have no doubt that among other things, Satan is delighting in making this system die embarrassed and humiliated. Future generations will hardly be able to believe the inanity we will tell them about these Last Days..

[dljbsp]

50 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

If the president himself posted racist imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

If the president himself posts pornographic imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

I agree with the premise completely.

 

But I also agree that talking about him — whether good or bad — is still not right.

 

I know you expanded on this and said it’s about neutrality, but it still doesn’t make sense to be sharing links or feeding into content about him — or any government official — or what governments are doing.

 

We have a job to do.

 

Trying to figure out what is or isn’t fulfillment of prophecy — that’s not our assignment.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, dljbsp said:

 

I know you expanded on this and said it’s about neutrality, but it still doesn’t make sense to be sharing links or feeding into content about him — or any government official — or what governments are doing.

 

I do not see anywhere we disagree on this. 

[ucastrobr]

It’s not just Trump. If you really want to stay neutral, it’s better not to post anything about Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, or Kim Jong Un—especially sarcastic comments.

I’ve seen many brothers here speak against, for example, Vladimir Putin as the “King of the North.” That can show that, in your heart, you’re taking a position against him.

But I’ve read many times that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has said there’s no such thing as a good or bad president—all of them belong to Satan. So when you speak against Putin, Donald Trump, or anyone else, it can come across as defending human governments.

If Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin are in power, it’s because Jehovah allows it in order to fulfill prophecies.

[feebee]

The jw.org banner is "No More Corrupt Politicians!" That wraps it up nicely without being specific.

[JennyM]

Btw.. hows the economy in your country?.. some bros in my country have stopped working already. They're public transpo driver... And economy is slowing down.

[Shawnster]

34 minutes ago, feebee said:

The jw.org banner is "No More Corrupt Politicians!" That wraps it up nicely without being specific.

Timely! 

[Sofia]

20 hours ago, Doug said:

The local brother was reviewing "the things remaining", such as 1 Thess 5:3 etc.  Then he said "And Russia has been identified as the King of the North, while the King of the South is NATO and its allies".

*** dp chap. 16 pp. 276-277 par. 15 The Contending Kings Near Their End ***
15 “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing,” the angel told Daniel. (Daniel 11:40a) Has the king of the south ‘pushed’ the king of the north during “the time of the end”? (Daniel 12:4, 9) Yes, indeed. After the first world war, the punitive peace treaty imposed upon the then king of the north—Germany—was surely “a pushing,” an incitement to retaliation. After his victory in the second world war, the king of the south targeted fearsome nuclear weapons on his rival and organized against him a powerful military alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Concerning NATO’s function, a British historian says: “It was the prime instrument for the ‘containment’ of the USSR, which was now perceived as the principal threat to European peace. Its mission lasted for 40 years, and was carried out with indisputable success.” As the years of the Cold War went by, the “pushing” by the king of the south included high-tech espionage as well as diplomatic and military offensives.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1101999036&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=21

 

 

*** w20 May p. 13 par. 6 Who Is “the King of the North” Today? ***
6 The king of the north and the king of the south continue to compete for world domination. For example, consider what happened after World War II when the Soviet Union and its allies gained influence over much of Europe. The actions of the king of the north forced the king of the south to form an international military alliance, known as NATO. The king of the north continues to compete with the king of the south in an expensive arms race. The king of the north fought his rival in proxy wars and insurgencies in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. In recent years, Russia and its allies have spread their influence across the globe. They have also engaged with the king of the south in cyber warfare. The kings have accused each other of using destructive computer programs in an effort to damage their economies and political systems. And as foretold by Daniel, the king of the north continues his attack on God’s people.—Dan. 11:41.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020401&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=13

Edited Monday at 11:32 PM by Sofia

[JennyM]

No more corrupt politicians.

I hope it will happen soon. 

[Tortuga]

7 hours ago, Hope said:

It is worse.

 

The president himself posted that meme... no one is mocking him in this instance but he himself. 😕 

I'm pretty sure I know how Jehovah feels about it, that's good enough for me. 😁

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

*** dp chap. 16 pp. 276-277 par. 15 The Contending Kings Near Their End ***
15 “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing,” the angel told Daniel. (Daniel 11:40a) Has the king of the south ‘pushed’ the king of the north during “the time of the end”? (Daniel 12:4, 9) Yes, indeed. After the first world war, the punitive peace treaty imposed upon the then king of the north—Germany—was surely “a pushing,” an incitement to retaliation. After his victory in the second world war, the king of the south targeted fearsome nuclear weapons on his rival and organized against him a powerful military alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Concerning NATO’s function, a British historian says: “It was the prime instrument for the ‘containment’ of the USSR, which was now perceived as the principal threat to European peace. Its mission lasted for 40 years, and was carried out with indisputable success.” As the years of the Cold War went by, the “pushing” by the king of the south included high-tech espionage as well as diplomatic and military offensives.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1101999036&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=21

 

 

*** w20 May p. 13 par. 6 Who Is “the King of the North” Today? ***
6 The king of the north and the king of the south continue to compete for world domination. For example, consider what happened after World War II when the Soviet Union and its allies gained influence over much of Europe. The actions of the king of the north forced the king of the south to form an international military alliance, known as NATO. The king of the north continues to compete with the king of the south in an expensive arms race. The king of the north fought his rival in proxy wars and insurgencies in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. In recent years, Russia and its allies have spread their influence across the globe. They have also engaged with the king of the south in cyber warfare. The kings have accused each other of using destructive computer programs in an effort to damage their economies and political systems. And as foretold by Daniel, the king of the north continues his attack on God’s people.—Dan. 11:41.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020401&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=13

 

2023: Read Daniel 11:40. Daniel chapter 11 speaks of two kings, or political powers, who struggle with each other for world domination. By comparing this prophecy with others in the Bible, we can identify “the king of the north” as Russia and its allies and “the king of the south” as the Anglo-American World Power.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2023521#h=24

 

2025:  Our understanding of Bible prophecy can move us to preach with zeal. We know that the time left for this system is short. We recognize that current events and the attitude of people today reflect what the Bible foretold would mark the last days. We perceive how the rivalry between the Anglo-American World Power and Russia and its allies fulfills the prophecy about the king of the south and the king of the north “in the time of the end.” (Dan. 11:40) 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2025322#h=17

 

Yes, they use NATO, but the Watchtower didn't update that the KoS is the Anglo-American World Power.

 

[Shawnster]

13 minutes ago, trottigy said:

Yes, they use NATO, but the Watchtower didn't update that the KoS is the Anglo-American World Power.

 

NATO is an alliance between the King of the South and other members. 

 

Both those Watchtowers refer to NATO as an alliance led by the King of the South. 

 

[halfspanishlee]

17 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

If the president himself posted racist imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

If the president himself posts pornographic imagery, would you choose to share it with your brothers and sisters? I would not and I doubt you would, too. 

 

Just because the president created and posted propaganda does not mean we need to share it.  I don't want to see propaganda and I don't think my brothers and sisters want to, either. 

 

Trump did this. Trump did thst.  I can't believe he dud this and that. Look how disgusting. Did you see the disgusting things? Here, let me show you the disgusting things. 

 

Did our brothers and sisters share the disgusting things Obama did? Or do we, in our hearts, feel Trump is so much worse than Obama? 

 

Were we as obsessed with Biden, Obama, Bush the 2nd, or Clinton as we seem to be with Trump and sharing every disgusting move made? 

 

If not, then maybe our neutrality is affected.  If we treat or view this president any differently than previous presidents, then maybe our neutrality is affected. If this president affects our emotions (positive or negative) more than a previous president, then maybe our neutrality is affected. 

 

 

Sorry, I don't understand. Why is that any reason for Christians to spread propaganda generated by the King of the South? Are we it's mouthpiece?

 

I know, it's just the news of the day.

 

 

How does it affect others around you? 

 

If it doesn't register, good for you. It must be registering for others, though, because here we are discussing it on a forum dedicated to Christians. It graced my inbox on Facebook first thing this morning. 

 

I totally agree and I apologise for posting a link in the first place I be more careful next time 

[Áine]

Buckle up .. 

On 4/14/2026 at 11:36 AM, halfspanishlee said:

I totally agree and I apologise for posting a link in the first place I be more careful next time 

It wasn’t you Lee… Shawn is replying to the wrong person

[Shawnster]

5 minutes ago, Áine said:

Buckle up .. 

 

Pot, meet kettle. 

[Áine]

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

 

Pot, meet kettle. 

Exactly…. Hope this doesn’t bother you. 

[Dustparticle]

 What I see for the last couple of years is that KOTN is suffering a blow. They lost over a million soldiers in the Ukraine war, the fall of Assad, the fall of Venezuela, the war of Iran, and the falling of Cuba too. The main case of these blow is because of the KOTS. Something is happening and it has to be more clear understanding of the Anglo - American Power.

Edited 4 hours ago by Dustparticle

[Doug]

On 4/13/2026 at 5:28 PM, trottigy said:

 

Yes, they use NATO, but the Watchtower didn't update that the KoS is the Anglo-American World Power.

 

 

Daniel's Prophesy of 1999 and Watchtower 2000 make reference to NATO at a time when there were 19 member nations.  

 

The King of the South has always been understood to be primarily the United States and the UK along with their associate allies.  That would be allies who are members of NATO and allies who are not.

 

Today, there are 32 member nations of NATO.  When Finland joined in 2023, it doubled NATO's direct border with Russia.

 

The expansion of NATO from 19 to 32 has not received any attention in our publications that I can see.  I cannot recall any speaker even using the acronym NATO in a talk.  So, yes, it came as a surprise to me when the local brother at the Circuit Assembly with Branch Representative said "while the King of the South is NATO and its allies".  Apparently, no one else here heard that at their assembly.

 

As I already said, he could have skipped a line of his manuscript.  I don't believe he leaked anything that the FDS may share in the near future.  I'm happy to wait for whatever the FDS has to say.  But the expansion of NATO is a serious topic between the two kings. As of today, 6 NATO members share a direct border with Russia when you factor-in the enclave Kaliningrad.  The "pushing" continues.

[ucastrobr]

1 hour ago, Dustparticle said:

 What I see for the last couple of years is that KOTN is suffering a blow. They lost over a million soldiers in the Ukraine war, the fall of Assad, the fall of Venezuela, the war of Iran, and the falling of Cuba too. The main case of these blow is because of the KOTS. Something is happening and it has to be more clear understanding of the Anglo - American Power.

 

The conflict involving Iran has significantly boosted Russia's economy through surging energy prices, with oil export revenues reaching approximately $840 million a day in March 2026. Major Russian companies like Gazprom, Rosneft, and Lukoil are projected to generate an estimated $23.9 billion in war-related profits by the end of the year.

 

Projected Gains: If high oil prices persist, Russia could generate an additional $40 billion in revenue in 2026 from exporting oil, gas, metals, and fertilizers.

 

The conflict has increased the value of other Russian exports beyond oil and gas: 

Aluminum: Prices rose by 12%.

Fertilizer: Urea prices increased by nearly 75%.

Other Goods: Grain and metal prices have also seen significant increases. 

https://san.com/cc/russias-oil-export-revenue-jumped-94-in-first-month-of-iran-war/

 

 

EVEN KOT OR KNOT WON'T BE DEFEATED BY HUMANS, it will only be defeated through Jesus.

 

 

Pete Hegseth quotes Samuel L. Jackson’s fake Bible verse from Pulp Fiction during sermon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-bible-verse-pulp-fiction-b2959108.html

I knew that there were discrepancies between what Jules says and the actual quote from

he actual Ezekiel 25:17 reads: “And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.”

 

Instead of the scripture Hegseth mentioned, his prayer appears to mirror the fictional Ezekiel 25:17 that Samuel L Jackson’s character, Jules Winnfield, delivered before killing a character in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction.

“There’s a passage I got memorized, seems appropriate for this situation: Ezekiel 25:17,” Jackson’s character said. “The path of righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.”

 

 

[Dustparticle]

2 hours ago, ucastrobr said:

 

The conflict involving Iran has significantly boosted Russia's economy through surging energy prices, with oil export revenues reaching approximately $840 million a day in March 2026. Major Russian companies like Gazprom, Rosneft, and Lukoil are projected to generate an estimated $23.9 billion in war-related profits by the end of the year.

 

Projected Gains: If high oil prices persist, Russia could generate an additional $40 billion in revenue in 2026 from exporting oil, gas, metals, and fertilizers.

 

The conflict has increased the value of other Russian exports beyond oil and gas: 

Aluminum: Prices rose by 12%.

Fertilizer: Urea prices increased by nearly 75%.

Other Goods: Grain and metal prices have also seen significant increases. 

https://san.com/cc/russias-oil-export-revenue-jumped-94-in-first-month-of-iran-war/

 

 

EVEN KOT OR KNOT WON'T BE DEFEATED BY HUMANS, it will only be defeated through Jesus.

 

 

Pete Hegseth quotes Samuel L. Jackson’s fake Bible verse from Pulp Fiction during sermon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-bible-verse-pulp-fiction-b2959108.html

I knew that there were discrepancies between what Jules says and the actual quote from

he actual Ezekiel 25:17 reads: “And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.”

 

Instead of the scripture Hegseth mentioned, his prayer appears to mirror the fictional Ezekiel 25:17 that Samuel L Jackson’s character, Jules Winnfield, delivered before killing a character in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction.

“There’s a passage I got memorized, seems appropriate for this situation: Ezekiel 25:17,” Jackson’s character said. “The path of righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.”

 

 

 What has been done has already been done. For the least 4 years, the KOTN has been suffering a blow and more to come.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

The expansion of NATO from 19 to 32 has not received any attention in our publications that I can see.

Should it have?

 

Why is the growth of a military alliance worh mentioning? 

 

A military alliance is not a world power. The military alliance called NATO does not rule over people.  It's simply an alliance, a treaty.  

 

2 hours ago, Doug said:

Apparently, no one else here heard that at their assembly.

 

The recording of this assembly is available. We already have a transcript in the transcript topic. We can all go download the transcript and see if this is how it was worded at the assembly we have a recording of. 

 

Granted, this won't be your specific assembly. But it will be the same talks