Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Dhanyel]

Will the United States poke China? 

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

Will the United States poke China? 

 

I do not know, but the USA military is much stronger than China. Usually in summits like this, the translators will do most of the talking or translating.

[BLEmom]

6 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Will the United States poke China? 

Poke or poke?

 

[Tortuga]

14 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

Poke or poke?

 

[Shawnster]

Poke

 

[Tortuga]

Pokey and Gumby

[BLEmom]

Oh boy….look what I started 🤭

 

[LeolaRootStew]

[Dages]

1 hour ago, BLEmom said:

Poke or poke?

 

[bogartd]

Edited Thursday at 08:44 AM by bogartd

[computerwiz]

 

[Tortuga]

11 minutes ago, computerwiz said:

 

[Shawnster]

[Dhanyel]

Is it possible that there will be a new understanding regarding the United Nations? For example, could there be a new understanding of how the UN will destroy Babylon the Great? Could there also be a change in the understanding that all the nations will give their power to the UN?

I have been thinking a lot about this subject and, while deeply respecting the current understanding, I believe this will be something truly impressive. Only Jehovah himself can make all of this happen, because from a human standpoint, it seems impossible.

I am eagerly looking forward to all these events and can hardly wait to see them unfold.

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

Is it possible that there will be a new understanding regarding the United Nations? For example, could there be a new understanding of how the UN will destroy Babylon the Great? Could there also be a change in the understanding that all the nations will give their power to the UN?

I have been thinking a lot about this subject and, while deeply respecting the current understanding, I believe this will be something truly impressive. Only Jehovah himself can make all of this happen, because from a human standpoint, it seems impossible.

I am eagerly looking forward to all these events and can hardly wait to see them unfold.

 

This came out last year.  (Re 17:16, 17 w25.11 31  and this year too, 

declaration of “peace and security” (1Th 5:3) may come before or after destruction of false religion: w26.02 30-31

 

Edited Sunday at 04:52 AM by Dustparticle

[Shawnster]

7 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

For example, could there be a new understanding of how the UN will destroy Babylon the Great?

 

Is there an old or current understanding? 

[Watchful Sentinel]

On 5/16/2026 at 9:58 PM, Dhanyel said:

Is it possible that there will be a new understanding regarding the United Nations? For example, could there be a new understanding of how the UN will destroy Babylon the Great? Could there also be a change in the understanding that all the nations will give their power to the UN?

I have been thinking a lot about this subject and, while deeply respecting the current understanding, I believe this will be something truly impressive. Only Jehovah himself can make all of this happen, because from a human standpoint, it seems impossible.

I am eagerly looking forward to all these events and can hardly wait to see them unfold.

I suspect that pretty soon there will be new information about the mark of the beast spoken of in Revelation 13:16, 17. It's one of those verses that you can't be dogmatic about the fulfillment until it takes place. But I wouldn't be surprised if we get a talk saying that we will have to see how things unfold and that the fulfillment may be different than what was taught previously.

[Shawnster]

35 minutes ago, Watchful Sentinel said:

I suspect that pretty soon there will be new information about the mark of the beast spoken of in Revelation 13:16, 17. It's one of those verses that you can't be dogmatic about the fulfillment until it takes place. But I wouldn't be surprised if we get a talk saying that we will have to see how things unfold and that the fulfillment may be different than what was taught previously.

 

 

Is there something about our current understanding that seems lacking? 

 

I'm asking not to accuse or counsel. It's a genuine question.  Whenever we think something needs adjusted, it's because the current understanding doesn't make sense to us. 

 

Nobody picks a belief at random and feels it needs clarified "just because". 

Edited 12 hours ago by Shawnster

[Watchful Sentinel]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

Is there something about our current understanding that seems lacking? 

 

I'm asking not to accuse or counsel. It's a genuine question.  Whenever we think something needs adjusted, it's because the current understanding doesn't make sense to us. 

 

Nobody picks a belief at random and feels it needs clarified "just because". 

I definitely don't want to act as if I know better than the slave, because I definitely do not. I'm one of the domestics, and gladly submit to their direction. Lately, I've been thinking that since we’re so close to the great tribulation, and the mark of the beast will no doubt have its major fulfillment then, that we may get some refinements about this matter. But that's not the only reason. The slaves' teaching makes sense. However, some things cause me to wonder:

 

Here's a post I made that I’m pasting from an old annual meeting speculation thread that I edited:

 

 I don’t want to speculate what I think the mark could be. But it appears it hasn't been fulfilled yet. Revelation 13:16,17 says the United Nations will put under compulsion all people, not just those they apprehend, to be marked, and that without this mark nobody can buy or sell. 

 

There have been some extreme pressures put on people by some governments to do things their way. But nothing like this from the United Nations. The United Nations has never demanded that all people comply with doing things their way so much that they prohibited people from being able to buy or sell. I know the slaves’ understanding on the prohibition to buy or sell, but I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being literal. This may be one of those scriptures that is best understood while undergoing fulfillment. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a talk warning us to watch how things develop in the future.

 

It’s true that some governments have jailed and even killed our brothers and sisters for their nuetrality. However, Revelation 13:15 says it will be the image, or the United Nations that will impose this “mark.” As far as I know, the United Nations has never pressured people to do such a thing. Satan is so bent on seeing to it that as many people lose out on everlasting life as possible, that it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he caused his political system to pressure everyone to essentially chose between God’s kingdom or his during the great tribulation. The easiest way to get humans to comply would be to threaten their livelihood, their lives, since self-preservation is probably the strongest human “instinct.” After all, he’s the same one that said no human would serve God when threatened with death and tempted Jesus with food. 

 

There was a morning worship with brother Jackson where he said, ‘We’ll have to wait and see what pressure is put on Jehovah’s people’ during the great tribulation when speaking about the mark of the beast. I'm not saying I'm right. I may be as wrong as two left shoes. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if satan, given his murderous personality, literally forces everyone to decide between his kingdom or Christ’s in some way during the great tribulation.

Edited 11 hours ago by Watchful Sentinel

[eliaseje]

I wonder if somehow with economic problems every country has that the world will move to a digital currency and paper money will be useless. This digital currency will be a global currency...I dont know...my mind is wandering...lol

[vern]

Mark of the beast is a spiritual mark. If you like the human governments that act like spiritual beasts and promote them then you have a mark of the beast.  I even have a personal view of spiritual beast like approach to authority also is beastly  IMO. Similar to anti Christ being an attitude that's existed since the first century.

[Doug]

3 hours ago, Watchful Sentinel said:

 

There have been some extreme pressures put on people by some governments to do things their way. But nothing like this from the United Nations. This may be one of those scriptures that is best understood while undergoing fulfillment. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a talk warning us to watch how things develop in the future.

 

 I'm not saying I'm right. I may be as wrong as two left shoes. 

 

Well then you're 50% right !

Personally, I believe the government has a need to keep people under control, know where they are and what they're doing.  One way crimes are solved is CCTV, and personal devices that keep track of our movements and transactions.

I think this need will only increase as the world becomes more fragmented.

 

Digital currency would be the way for the government to have the most control.  As it is, the bank can "turn off" your access to your own money with a few clicks on the keyboard.  You may not be able to renew your drivers license if there's a court order for child support that isn't current. On and on.

 

It's control. And in this "iron & clay" world, governments want more, not less.

[Watchful Sentinel]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

Digital currency would be the way for the government to have the most control.

You said it, I didn't 😆

 

 

[Watchful Sentinel]

@Doug In all seriousness, I used to wonder how a symbolic mark could be enforced. But I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being literal, because many governments now have the technology, or are currently piloting the technology, that could make it necessary to prohibit someone from buying and selling.