Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[trottigy]

Matthew 25:15&16

 

What will signal the start of the great tribulation? Jesus foretold: “When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” (Matt. 24:15, 16) In the first fulfillment, the “standing in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E. when the Roman army (“the disgusting thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple (a place holy in the eyes of the Jews). In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2013530&par=13

 

[Doug]

2 hours ago, cme said:

 

 the worse it gets the closer we are to home.

 

Yep.    As our WT said:   "No matter what our age, circumstance or ability is, all of us can endure".

[GeordieGirl]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

Absolutely, 1st fulfillment was done in 66 CE. So far, this verse is not given much attention unlike before year 2000. Type and Antitype were adjusted to more reasonable way. But it is noticeable that this verse may happen again in our days because of verse 21 which is the start of GT. Hence, I am still observing this verse (15) if there is a chance of actual fulfillment today. 

 

WT 2013 July 15 page 3 - "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?"

 

Paragraph 6 of this article discusses Matthew 24:15,16 and says: 

 

"......... In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation."

 

So verses 15-21 are all related to firstly the beginning of the tribulation starting in 66CE and secondly to the start of the GT in our day.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530

 

Ooops!!  Sorry Brother Jerry @trottigy, I didn't go to the next page before quoting Richie's comment.  After it posted my comment, I saw yours. 

Edited February 20 by GeordieGirl

[Richie]

4 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

 

WT 2013 July 15 page 3 - "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?"

 

Paragraph 6 of this article discusses Matthew 24:15,16 and says: 

 

"......... In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation."

 

So verses 15-21 are all related to firstly the beginning of the tribulation starting in 66CE and secondly to the start of the GT in our day.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530

This new light may alter the conclusion for Mat. 24:15...

[Richie]

5 hours ago, Ric said:

É interessante notar que este artigo da Torre de Vigia explica que Daniel 12:1 se refere, não à grande tribulação desde a destruição de Babilónia, a Grande, mas à parte final da grande tribulação, quando Miguel vem defender o povo de Deus na guerra do Armagedom.

 

This was further explained by Bro. Splane from his talk. This is now the start of GT and end up to Armaggedon. Sorry, I cannot find the link.

[chuck83]

Release hostages by Ramadan or we invade Rafah, Israel tells Hamas

https://www.yahoo.com/news/release-hostages-ramadan-invade-rafah-150503473.html

 

Holy days can be the bloodiest days in Abrahamic religions and those days are in March & April. 

[Richie]

13 minutes ago, chuck83 said:

Release hostages by Ramadan or we invade Rafah, Israel tells Hamas

https://www.yahoo.com/news/release-hostages-ramadan-invade-rafah-150503473.html

 

Holy days can be the bloodiest days in Abrahamic religions and those days are in March & April. 

It is so interesting month for great Sabbath month for the jews and Christendom. Holiest month for Muslims.. 

[Richie]

9 hours ago, Cushi said:

I meant Daniel 12:1 is referring to the great tribulation.

Rev. 16:19 is a bit perplexing to me it says, 

"The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered before God". 

 

 - The "Great City" > Babylon the Great

 - The cities of the nations fell

 - Babylon the Great was remembered

 

Those words are timely mentioned by 7th Angel. At chap 17:1 says, one of the seven angels might be the same angel who had a 7th bowl describes the destruction of BTG.

 

If chronological, 16:19 will come ahead of GT.

 

That's only the product of my keen observation. 

 

 

[Percy]

On 2/18/2024 at 5:57 PM, Desert Dan said:

Quite a bold statement below.   - "A close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened the use of nuclear weapons on the U.S. if it fails in its invasion of Ukraine."

 

Putin Ally Vows Nuclear Strike on Washington if Ukraine Wins (newsweek.com)

Sounds like the Doomsday Clock needs to be adjusted monthly.

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/

[Dages]

On 2/19/2024 at 2:57 AM, Desert Dan said:

Quite a bold statement below.   - "A close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened the use of nuclear weapons on the U.S. if it fails in its invasion of Ukraine."

 

Putin Ally Vows Nuclear Strike on Washington if Ukraine Wins (newsweek.com)

Medvedev is always saying silly stuff

[Sofia]

6 hours ago, Richie said:

This new light may alter the conclusion for Mat. 24:15...

Even if this is a new understanding at the end of the day ALL false religions will come to their end 

The holy place sure looks like BTG.

lets wait and see 🤗

[Richie]

1 minute ago, Sofia said:

Even if this is a new understanding at the end of the day ALL false religions will come to their end 

The holy place sure looks like BTG.

lets wait and see 🤗

Might be BTG or might be the actual place where all the Abrahamaic religions have quarters there. 

[Sofia]

4 hours ago, Richie said:

Rev. 16:19 is a bit perplexing to me it says, 

"The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered before God". 

 

 - The "Great City" > Babylon the Great

 - The cities of the nations fell

 - Babylon the Great was remembered

 

Those words are timely mentioned by 7th Angel. At chap 17:1 says, one of the seven angels might be the same angel who had a 7th bowl describes the destruction of BTG.

 

If chronological, 16:19 will come ahead of GT.

 

That's only the product of my keen observation. 

 

 

Some visions were given about the same event 

Revelation is not necessarily chronologically organized.

some visions overlap the same event.

for instance we can see the evens from

XX and XXI centuries in revelation chapter 14

declaration of good news

falling of BTG 

our neutrality question afterwards 

jesus acting as judge

and finally:

the Armagedom 

 

armagedom Is mentioned in chapters 6, 14, 16, 17 and 19

this is just an example.

[Richie]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

Some visions were given about the same event 

Revelation is not necessarily chronologically organized.

some visions overlap the same event.

for instance we can see the evens from

XX and XXI centuries in revelation chapter 14

declaration of good news

falling of BTG 

our neutrality question afterwards 

jesus acting as judge

and finally:

the Armagedom 

 

armagedom Is mentioned in chapters 6, 14, 16, 17 and 19

this is just an example.

Thanks for the example. Might be the seven bowls of angers make me confuse because they are in order.

[cme]

Now, they believe that the hostages are in Egypt!  According to news.😐

[Dhanyel]

The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, is holding public hearings from 19 to 26 February 2024 on the request for an advisory opinion regarding the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. These hearings are taking place at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the Court's seat, under the presidency of Judge Nawaf Salam, President of the Court.

 

ICJ Advisory Proceedings: State of Palestine Public Hearing | United Nations

 

[Richie]

1 hour ago, Dhanyel said:

The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, is holding public hearings from 19 to 26 February 2024 on the request for an advisory opinion regarding the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. These hearings are taking place at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the Court's seat, under the presidency of Judge Nawaf Salam, President of the Court.

 

ICJ Advisory Proceedings: State of Palestine Public Hearing | United Nations

 

The series of confrontations to Israel by ICJ (UN) and from other entities. This would result to another Bible puzzle, especially if they will become significant prior to GT. Well, let see how they will work and become fit to prophecy. 

[Desert Dan]

Putin says no nuclear weapons in space...

Russia denies US claims that Moscow plans to put nuclear weapons in space | Reuters

[Desert Dan]

UN Resolution for ceasefire vetoed.  13-1, almost passed.

"... saying it would interfere with negotiations on a deal to free hostages abducted in Israel."

 

2 Timothy 3:3 always comes to mind when it has to do with politics or disagreements among nations.  "...not open to any agreement"

 

Israel-Hamas war: US vetoes UN resolution for Gaza cease-fire | AP News

Edited February 20 by Desert Dan

[Luisabola]

Out of the 15 SC members, US Vetoes and UK abstains. Anglo American power seen quite clearly. Makes you sick that they wouldn’t want a ceasefire when soooo many civilians have died. 

[New World Explorer]

59 minutes ago, Luisabola said:

Out of the 15 SC members, US Vetoes and UK abstains. Anglo American power seen quite clearly. Makes you sick that they wouldn’t want a ceasefire when soooo many civilians have died. 

When personal feelings are inserted into opinion about political issues we should be aware not to loose our neutrality. Lets be careful as we are reminded that current and future events will put our “feelings” to the test. 

Edited February 20 by New World Explorer

[ChrisW]

38 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

When personal feelings are inserted into opinion about political issues we should be aware not to loose our neutrality. Lets be careful as we are reminded that current and future events will put our “feelings” to the test. 

I agree but we do feel the injustice that this system continues to display and feel for those that have to suffer under it.  It shows compassion and a desire for Jehovah to make things right. 

[mjcabz]

11 hours ago, Richie said:

Might be BTG or might be the actual place where all the Abrahamaic religions have quarters there. 

No, its not. Its only BtG not a literal place. Christianity will be the main target in the outbreak of GT. 

Edited February 20 by mjcabz

[Luisabola]

1 hour ago, ChrisW said:

I agree but we do feel the injustice that this system continues to display and feel for those that have to suffer under it.  It shows compassion and a desire for Jehovah to make things right. 

Thanks. I hate to see suffering. That’s all. No neutrality issue at all.
 

I should feel sad if any witnesses wouldn’t want war to end?!? Of course we know that the only true way is through Jehovah’s kingdom. 

[ChrisW]

17 minutes ago, Luisabola said:

I should feel sad if any witnesses wouldn’t want war to end?!?

 Jehovah said to him: “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaninge over all the detestable things that are being done in the city.”