Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Richie]

26 minutes ago, Dages said:

It's quite clear already in our litterature

It says about celestial phenomena... 

[Dages]

5 minutes ago, Richie said:

It says about celestial phenomena... 

Look for the "restless sea" and similar vocabulary (insight : sea)

[Dolce vita]

3 hours ago, Tsheppar said:

Attends une minute! Vous êtes au Brésil ? Toutes ces années... (enfin, je ne suis là que depuis peut-être 2 ans mais j'aime exagérer) Je pensais que tu étais européen. Foutu, maintenant je vais devoir réorganiser mon imagination de toi. Mon téléphone n'indique pas l'emplacement ni les noms des frères et sœurs, alors parfois je suis en congé. Je sais que c'est hors sujet. Je m'en fiche, je ne déraille pas souvent alors donnez-moi un "un". Eh bien, maintenant que je sais que tu es brésilien. Je jouerai cela dans ma tête lors de vos commentaires...

 

NOUS sommes désolés pour cette interruption de la programmation régulière. Revenons maintenant à la paix et à la sécurité -

 

 

 

 

And I, like a fool, clicked, and now Copa Capabana and Barry follow me everywhere I go. Incorrigible Tom!!

 

You stay on topic, in truth: when BTG is destroyed we will all be Brazilian and dance cha-cha because we will be so happy, even in the chaos.

 

PS:  That being said: all our love and prayers for our dear brothers in Brazil. Courage ! Jehovah's heart hurts but he will soon repair yours.

[jps]

On 4/24/2024 at 7:58 PM, chuck83 said:

This basically says it all. 

this too;

 

(pls let me know if this is a skit/parody or something)

 

 

 

[JennyM]

4 hours ago, Richie said:

Looking ahead to more clarification... Some were symbolic now are actual. Like this one need further clarification... 

 

... on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 

That could be literal . 

[LeolaRootStew]

6 hours ago, Tortuga said:

(Revelation 17:16, 17) . . .And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 
 

The scripture says they will destroy the harlot because they hate her. It doesn't say anything about destroying her for the money. According to Rev 18, the kings weep in grief but it's the merchants that cry about the money, not the kings of the earth. I just can't see BtG finances being the catalyst for her destruction. 

 

I didn't mean to imply it would be a catalyst for her destruction, just a factor. You asked about money specifically. As far as hate, there are plenty of reasons to despise religion. Just the 2 big conflicts now in Russia and Gaza include the big 3: Christianity, Jews, and Muslims - and they have all committed great crimes against their fellow man. It wouldn't take much for people to conclude that the biggest factor in these wars is religion.

 

(Russia and Ukraine have a conflict because Ukraine chosto break away from the Russian church, so it's at least partly a religious schism).

https://theconversation.com/why-church-conflict-in-ukraine-reflects-historic-russian-ukrainian-tensions-175818

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Two visions of history

Today, the two major rival expressions of Orthodoxy in Ukraine reflect two different historical visions of the relationship between Russians and Ukrainians.

 

For the Moscow Patriarchate, Russians and Ukrainians are one people. Therefore a single church should unite them. 

 

President Vladimir Putin of Russia has made this very argument in a recent essay. He characterizes the Orthodox Church of Ukraine as an attack on the “spiritual unity” of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples.
 

The Orthodox Church of Ukraine holds a very different view. In an interview with the British Broadcasting Corp., Metropolitan Epifaniy firmly rejected “Russian imperial traditions.” As a separate people with a unique culture, Ukrainians require an independent church.

 

The future of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine is unclear. It enjoys the support of several of its sister churches. At the same time, it faces fierce opposition from Moscow. For now, it remains a source of controversy between Russia and Ukraine.

 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

3 hours ago, Osprey said:

I don't think we should put too much emphasis on guessing what will cause world powers to attack and destroy BtG. We have this answer already. Bible tells us clearly that it is Jehovah who will cause them to come to this conclusion and execute it. He can make anything happen and he will make it happen when that time comes. Yes, they hate BtG for a number of reasons. But if he would not cause it, it would not happen. So why searching for possible causes that we could guess from the current situation?

 

Though we don't currently know why the Roman armies left Jerusalem, we can assume that it made sense at the time. Just because Jehovah had a hand in it doesn't mean it defied all logic. I believe the same will be true today; Jehovah will give the Nations the one thought (not just because it wouldn't happen without Him, but also because it needs to be timed perfectly), and when BtG is destroyed we will all agree that it makes sense.

 

Guessing how it plays out is fun.

[cme]

I hope it happens soon.  I woke up this morning with a panic attack.   aha, don't know where that came from.  Anyways, meeting a good friend of mine for coffee this morning and catching up on things.  Then, will come home clean a little feed my hubby and get ready for meeting tonight.

 

Broadcast was encouraging.  Enjoyed much.  Wish they would say something on these last days as they get worse.  But, encouragement was fine  Lord knows we need it.

Edited May 8 by cme
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[JennyM]

36 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I didn't mean to imply it would be a catalyst for her destruction, just a factor. You asked about money specifically. As far as hate, there are plenty of reasons to despise religion. Just the 2 big conflicts now in Russia and Gaza include the big 3: Christianity, Jews, and Muslims - and they have all committed great crimes against their fellow man. It wouldn't take much for people to conclude that the biggest factor in these wars is religion.

 

(Russia and Ukraine have a conflict because Ukraine chosto break away from the Russian church, so it's at least partly a religious schism).

https://theconversation.com/why-church-conflict-in-ukraine-reflects-historic-russian-ukrainian-tensions-175818

 

 

Yes.. Hopefully. 

[JennyM]

38 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I didn't mean to imply it would be a catalyst for her destruction, just a factor. You asked about money specifically. As far as hate, there are plenty of reasons to despise religion. Just the 2 big conflicts now in Russia and Gaza include the big 3: Christianity, Jews, and Muslims - and they have all committed great crimes against their fellow man. It wouldn't take much for people to conclude that the biggest factor in these wars is religion.

 

(Russia and Ukraine have a conflict because Ukraine chosto break away from the Russian church, so it's at least partly a religious schism).

https://theconversation.com/why-church-conflict-in-ukraine-reflects-historic-russian-ukrainian-tensions-175818

 

 

My ex has once told that religion is the cause of conflict.  

He died during pandemic. 

 

[cme]

Interesting, the 3 legged stool is wobbling.  Christianity, Jews and Muslims.   Won't be long now.

[JennyM]

27 minutes ago, cme said:

I hope it happens soon.  I woke up this morning with a panic attack.   aha, don't know where that came from.  Anyways, meeting a good friend of mine for coffee this morning and catching up on things.  Then, will come home clean a little feed my hubby and get ready for meeting tonight.

 

Broadcast was encouraging.  Enjoyed much.  Wish they would say something on these last days as they get worse.  But, encouragement was fine  Lord knows we need it.

I always have panic attack sis. The stress of this system is taking its toll on me. 

 

[Andrey]

The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. (Revelation 17:12, 13, 16, 17)

 

The reason why governments may hate religious Organizations (their leaders) is prostitution, i.e., treason against the political system of the state to which it belongs. It can be like playing a double agent who works for several spy organizations. An attempt to sit on two chairs. This can lead to suspicion of loyalty and support for the ideals of the higher echelons of the state's power, as well as cause hatred and jealousy. (one of the reasons, Ezekiel 23:27-30)

[Sofia]

3 hours ago, truce said:

Her name was LOLA

… “she was a dancer…”

[Andrey]

Another reason for hatred towards religious organizations is the loss in the eyes of politicians and people of their purpose and influence on nations. The loss of the meaning of religion in society. If something loses its purpose, what is the point of using it? It is better to throw it away or destroy it. 

 

They say: “Let us tear off their shackles and throw off their ropes!” (Psalm 2:3)

[truce]

25 minutes ago, Sofia said:

… “she was a dancer…”

"...At the COPA..." Sorry, I just couldn't help it. 

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MRY1SIUxLMg&si=9R3ET0WRwOT4SwIT

Edited May 8 by truce

[Tortuga]

8 hours ago, Richie said:

I think this may help why UN may hate Religions.. 

 

https://c-fam.org/friday_fax/un-attempts-to-impose-lgbt-orthodoxy-on-all-religions/

 

NEW YORK, June 23 (C-Fam) Religious freedom ends where LGBT rights begin. This is the conclusion of a new UN report on the right to freedom of religion and belief.

The report calls on governments to threaten and punish religious leaders and organizations that do not comply with LGBT orthodoxy, and, in a novel and unprecedented way, it calls on government to destabilize religions from within by supporting pro-LGBT factions within religious denominations.. 

I agree. I know that Shawnster had talked about this many times. Accepting LGBT is a worldwide issue, even though the major religions are becoming more tolerant of LGBT, it still seems it could be a trigger for the governments to turn on religion. I don't want to try and second guess what Jehovah will do but I can imagine that if the world governments authorized the UN to enact a law that would outlaw any form of intolerance, the world would think it had achieved P&S. I can imagine that the world religions would accept and support the new law initially and then try to force the governments to revise it, that would be the harlots mistake. 

[Dhanyel]

19 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Why?

What will they do with it?

What does this have to do with all of the non-Christian religions?

What about the millions of people that will die during the chaos when religion is banned? Is the Vatican's gold worth that much blood?

 

@Tortuga I showed these questions to Artificial Intelligence out of curiosity, can I post the answer? 

[Tortuga]

4 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Just the 2 big conflicts now in Russia and Gaza include the big 3: Christianity, Jews, and Muslims - and they have all committed great crimes against their fellow man. It wouldn't take much for people to conclude that the biggest factor in these wars is religion.

True, but there have been religious wars for centuries. It's hard for me to see any current or future conflict as a reason to destroy a world wide religious system.

 

If we are going to speculate what will happen, my guess is that since Satan and the demons are involved in the cry of P&S that it has something to do with what Jehovah finds depraved and LGBT is a major issue around the world right now. The worlds acceptance of that depraved lifestyle has exploded in the last few years. I think that will be the major issue soon.

 

Look at how Jehovah is preparing us to face that issue, look at the articles about homosexuality, intolerance, pornography.

 

I think that if the world enacted a law forcing religions to openly accept LGBT, it would eventually create a war between religion and the world's demon inspired concept of P&S.

 

Edited May 8 by Tortuga

[Tortuga]

29 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

@Tortuga I showed these questions to Artificial Intelligence out of curiosity, can I post the answer? 

I'm not sure why you are asking me that question. If you think there is a reason not to post it, then please don't post it.

[Dhanyel]

1 minute ago, Tortuga said:

I'm not sure why you are asking me that question. If you think there is a reason not to post it, then please don't post it.

We did this in the other topic you created about AI

[Richie]

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/un-report-castigates-religion-stymieing-the-sexual-orientation-gender-identity

 

U.N. Report Castigates Religion for Stymieing the Sexual Orientation-Gender Identity Agenda

 

.... To no one’s surprise, the Biden camp praised the SOGI czar’s report. Jessica Stern, U.S. special envoy for advancing the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons, delivered the government’s official statement welcoming the report. She described a “global trend of instrumentalizing and misusing religion, customs, traditions, and culture to justify discriminatory legislation.”

 

Biden shares the U.N. czar’s radical priorities and contempt for religious freedom. His team has weaponized foreign aid and leveraged U.S. diplomacy to impose a radical social agenda at home and abroad.

Despite claims to the contrary, their actions strike at the human rights system, of which religious freedom is the heart. Indeed, many argue that the concept of human rights depends on a Judeo-Christian framework and is in peril without it.

 

If gender ideology contradicts the mores of every major religion, then surely the problem is not religion. The problem is the ideology itself.

 

It sounds like lgbtq has an access to voice out human right gender issues at UN. It is a global issue that may strike all conservative countries like Muslim countries in middle east, Aprika and Asia. If UN will put pressure to these countries. I am sure UN will get the real confrontations with them. Or, all of them will be forced to align themselve to UN's advocacy on this issue. In case, lgbtq maybe given a chance to pursue its goal through UN agenda, all religious entities against them will surely be shut down through UN's power. 

 

 

 

[Tortuga]

It's just my opinion but if the cry of P&S is demon inspired, then it will be what they want, not what mankind wants, so it seems to rule out all of the logical reasons for P&S such as an end to war, famine, etc. It also seems to rule out any desire by the world governments to seize religions financial assets. Those are all logical reasons to cry P&S and then turn on religion from a human viewpoint, not a demonic viewpoint.

 

Since the cry of P&S may be demon inspired and possibly have demonic miracles, it seems more reasonable that it will be all about them and their desires. History proves they desire a depraved lifestyle in direct rebellion to Jehovah.

 

So looking at the evidence, it seems logical that the cry of P&S and the destruction of BtG will have something to do with the growing tolerance and acceptance of a depraved lifestyle. What's next? Legal incest? Bestiality? Legal sex with a minor? How far will the demons push the issue? When will religion push back? 

Edited May 8 by Tortuga

[Richie]

12 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

It's just my opinion but if the cry of P&S is demon inspired, then it is what they want, not what mankind wants, so it seems to rule out all of the logical reasons for P&S such as an end to war, famine, etc. It also seems to rule out any desire by the world governments to seize religions financial assets. Those are all logical reasons to cry P&S and then turn on religion from a human viewpoint, not a demonic viewpoint.

 

Since the cry of P&S may be demon inspired and possibly have demonic miracles, it seems more reasonable that it will be all about them and their desires. History proves they desire a depraved lifestyle in direct rebellion to Jehovah.

 

So looking at the evidence, it seems logical that the cry of P&S and the destruction of BtG will have something to do with the growing tolerance and acceptance of LGBT. What's next? Legal incest? Bestiality? Legal sex with a minor? How far will the demons push the issue? When will religion push back? 

Jude 7 In the same manner, Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire. 

 

Similar depravity to Sodom and Gomorrah is a warning example of today's world for future punishment. This is also a demonic inspiration of gender equality using UN agency. Jehovah can use any Satan's element to fulfill His execution to BTG. 

 

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Richie said:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/un-report-castigates-religion-stymieing-the-sexual-orientation-gender-identity

 

U.N. Report Castigates Religion for Stymieing the Sexual Orientation-Gender Identity Agenda

 

.... To no one’s surprise, the Biden camp praised the SOGI czar’s report. Jessica Stern, U.S. special envoy for advancing the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons, delivered the government’s official statement welcoming the report. She described a “global trend of instrumentalizing and misusing religion, customs, traditions, and culture to justify discriminatory legislation.”

 

Biden shares the U.N. czar’s radical priorities and contempt for religious freedom. His team has weaponized foreign aid and leveraged U.S. diplomacy to impose a radical social agenda at home and abroad.

Despite claims to the contrary, their actions strike at the human rights system, of which religious freedom is the heart. Indeed, many argue that the concept of human rights depends on a Judeo-Christian framework and is in peril without it.

 

If gender ideology contradicts the mores of every major religion, then surely the problem is not religion. The problem is the ideology itself.

 

It sounds like lgbtq has an access to voice out human right gender issues at UN. It is a global issue that may strike all conservative countries like Muslim countries in middle east, Aprika and Asia. If UN will put pressure to these countries. I am sure UN will get the real confrontations with them. Or, all of them will be forced to align themselve to UN's advocacy on this issue. In case, lgbtq maybe given a chance to pursue its goal through UN agenda, all religious entities against them will surely be shut down through UN's power. 

 

 

 

 

Just a few notes:

 

1. Heritage is a conservative political action group; so, it's no surprise that they would spin this report the way that they have.

 

2. I couldn't find a link to the above report as it is a full year old - without out the actual report, there is no way to really comment on its intent.

 

3. This seems more of a hit piece on president Biden than on anything else.

 

Edited May 8 by trottigy