Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[chuck83]

5 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

When the hand writes MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN on the wall above the UN speaker during a highly televised broadcast about P&S.

ooOoooOOooo I’d love this. So so much.

[Desert Dan]

48 minutes ago, blue-jay said:

 

I just mentioned that to someone yesterday!

The dominoes might have already started falling. 

It seems like things are falling into place for them to hand the power to the UN. 

 

Although Jehovah can make things happen instantly, he also works by his own timetable.   The "one thought" may not instantly happen but could perhaps happen over a bit of time.  Hard to say.   Regardless, there is change being requested by member countries for increased effectiveness and governing relative to the UN and whether some countries are being guided by Jehovah at this current time remains to be seen.  Has the process fully started?   We don't know but there sure is talk.  At some point, there could be a need for Jehovah to fulfill his "one thought" and push those remaining stubborn countries to give their power to the UN.

 

Just listen to some of those UN speeches.   There is a desperate desire by many to fix things, recognizing current weakness, and moving to change.

Edited Saturday at 10:03 PM by Desert Dan

[New World Explorer]

5 minutes ago, Desert Dan said:

At some point, there could be a need for Jehovah to fulfill his "one thought" and push those remaining stubborn countries to give their power to the UN.

The soil is ready now, the world's governance is falling apart, division is even seen within KOTS. 

The ground is fertile ... it will be sudden not gradual, so it could happen anytime now. 

[feebee]

Jehovah has been manoeuvring matters throughout history to fulfill his purpose. Satan is actively working against God's purpose.  Like recent calls for the US to defund the UN. 

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

I mean, sure? It's like this. The nations give power to the UN. We are the only people expecting that to happen. When it does, why wouldn't it be obvious to us that it's Jehovah's hand? 

 

What if Jehovah's stepped in already? Well, I guess if tomorrow we see all the nations give power to the UN, then we will know. Personally, I don't think Jehovah will need much time or that he needs to lay groundwork. He puts in their heart his thought and they go. 

 

He's Jehovah God. The nations are streams of water in his hand. Jehovah puts hooks in the jaws of Gog and jerks him where he does not want to go. It's only one thought. How much advance work does that sound like? 

 

When the Roman armies received a report and left Jerusalem, when was the idea to send that report actually thought? Weeks before? Months? It required proper timing for the report to be thought of, sent, and received so that the Christians would be able to escape on time.

 

I think it's the same in our time-period; we know the one thought is to give power to the UN, but we don't know the journey it will take for each country to come to that conclusion. For instance, if the one thought was expressed by one particular country and spread first to their allies and then to everyone else, the thought could spread quickly, but not equally. The idea wouldn't take hold at the exact same moment for all countries, but it would be enacted at the same time.

 

With that in mind, it might be possible that the initial stages of the one thought taking hold might have already begun behind the scenes and is spreading right now. We have no idea what conditions need to be in place for scenarios we haven't even thought of, but Jehovah does. Maybe He is setting up the dominoes for a world-wide problem so the Nations have a reason to give power to the UN. Whatever He's doing, Jehovah is working.

[Richie]

7 hours ago, Tortuga said:

OTOH it may just be negotiation tactics and doesn't mean anything.

I see in different ways.... This was part of my personal study and understanding long time back. Hope I am wrong... Let see

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, chuck83 said:

ooOoooOOooo I’d love this. So so much.

I hope you like this idea too.

https://jwtalk.net/topic/30018-new-system-story-ideas/?do=findComment&comment=787687

 

[BLEmom]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

When the hand writes MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN on the wall above the UN speaker during a highly televised broadcast about P&S.

If only!  That would be fantastic! 

[Ahuvah]

2 hours ago, Mike047 said:

I think Brother Jackson's point was that they do not want to give such allegiance to the UN. There may be yet more to learn about this. The phrase 'see the need' will have a special significance under these circumstances.

Remember they are looking through the shades (2 cor 4:4) ... the needs they think they need could well be a need Jehovah has put in front of them. Whatever or however it happens two things are clear.

They will be impelled, contrary to what they want and that includes leaders of all nations.. This is interesting because all the world is listening right now.

And it will be obvious to us that Jehovah is behind it.

 

So, IF Jehovah is in the mix now, it will go in one direction, if he's not, it will go in another.

Edited Saturday at 11:42 PM by Ahuvah

[Sofia]

6 hours ago, Mike047 said:

I believe that they will not see the need at all. Brother Geoffrey Jackson said that 'God will put it into their minds' to give their sovereign authority to the UN. It will not be their choice to do so.

1 kings.22:19-23

jehovah had a purpose 

and He asked for a suggestion 

An angel gave the sugestion

If Micah didn’t explain this none in the palace would have known that Jehovah was orchestrating everything 

Yes: humans will see the need. Jehovah is orchestrating things invisibly

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Ahuvah said:

. Will WE SEE Jehovah’s hand initially, or just know that it's him through what the Brothers have said? Because what if, Jehovah has stepped in already is moving the leaders now?

Daniel.12:3,10 we may not understand but the GB will. GB will let us know ! Trust them!

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

Daniel.12:3,10 we may not understand but the GB will. GB will let us know ! Trust them!

Well ... they have said that they may not see it until after the fulfillment... and I DO trust them.

Edited yesterday at 01:36 AM by Ahuvah

[ChrisC]

7 hours ago, Mike047 said:

I believe that they will not see the need at all. Brother Geoffrey Jackson said that 'God will put it into their minds' to give their sovereign authority to the UN. It will not be their choice to do so.

Re 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

 

Sounds like their heartfelt desire will be to hand over their authority as some brilliant idea they think they all had.

 

Not reluctantly or blindly.

 

#Lemmings 

 

 

[Ahuvah]

8 minutes ago, ChrisC said:

Sounds like their heartfelt desire will be to hand over their authority as some brilliant idea they think they all had.

Which is why it will be hard to detect Jehovah in the mix at the initial stages. But, it being sudden and fluid it won't be long before it's clear.

[feebee]

I wonder who is included in this: "For God put it into THEIR hearts". Will it be just the leaders of the country, for example, just the President, but not the rest of his administration, and they have to go along with it, because he's the boss? Their representatives at the UN? How many will be supporting giving power to the UN? Will the common people see this move as absolutely shocking because they haven't received "the thought"? If that's the case, there will be huge uproar. The UN can authorise force to maintain international peace and security. There will be no doubt we've entered the great tribulation.

[Sweet Tooth]

On 3/1/2025 at 3:35 AM, Cool.As.Ice said:

This is an open argument between Trump and Zelenskyy; WOW! Usually this is behind closed doors, but these guys are duking it out in the open!

This is what happened at close doors. (Just for fun) ✌🏼😅

 

https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1895838782555111866

[Mike047]

12 hours ago, ChrisC said:

Re 17:17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

 

Sounds like their heartfelt desire will be to hand over their authority as some brilliant idea they think they all had.

 

Not reluctantly or blindly.

This is a good point, Chris, but the way it unfolds may be quite different. 

[Shawnster]

12 hours ago, feebee said:

Will it be just the leaders of the country, for example, just the President, but not the rest of his administration, and they have to go along with it, because he's the boss? Their representatives at the UN? How many will be supporting giving power to the UN? Will the common people see this move as absolutely shocking because they haven't received "the thought"? If

 

 

Each country works differently. In the United States, for example, the President does not have the power or authority to give the UN this type of authority over the USA. This will take an act of Congress and perhaps even an amendment to the Constitution. This means a majority, perhaps even a super majority of the US government will support following this "one thought." 

 

As for the people, history shows they will believe whatever the government wants them to believe. It's called "wag the dog." Through media manipulation the government can convince the people of anything.  German psychoanalyst Walter Langer said "People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it." 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:30 PM by Shawnster

[Dark King]

29 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Each country works differently. In the United States, for example, the President does not have the power or authority to give the UN this type of authority over the USA. This will take an act of Congress and perhaps even an amendment to the Constitution. This means a majority, perhaps even a super majority of the US government will support following this "one thought." 

 

This is not necessarily true. There are laws within the United Nations where the executive branch can supersede the US Congress when dealing with the United Nation. The president can pretty much do what he wants when they're dealing with the United Nation. You would need 2/3 of the US Congress to veto, the United States president.

 

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#:~:text=Under the Act%2C once a,whether to override the veto.

[Tortuga]

17 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

I think it's the same in our time-period; we know the one thought is to give power to the UN, but we don't know the journey it will take for each country to come to that conclusion.

It will be interesting to see how it develops. It could start with a single event that spreads out like a pandemic of emotion and every world leader gets swept up in the fervor, or it could be a collective understanding, and a series of laws and resolutions are enacted over a short period of time as the world leaders smile and realize they are in full agreement with each other. It will be interesting to watch.

[Dark King]

The United Nations charter supersedes all Congress constitutions around the world. The laws the United Nation charter supersedes the US Congress. This is something that's always been kind of a hot issue and that's one of the reasons why United States don't join the international criminal court cuz it doesn't want to be subject to the United Nations when it come to criminal things.

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/world/middleeast/us-icc-member-countries.html

[Ahuvah]

3 hours ago, Mike047 said:

This is a good point, Chris, but the way it unfolds may be quite different. 

We only have what was quoted there by the FDS at the moment. Best to go with latest understanding until something changes.

 

 (If you go back to Greg's post, that was verbatim from the AM)

Edited yesterday at 06:04 PM by Ahuvah

[Osprey]

20 hours ago, Richie said:

I see in different ways.... This was part of my personal study and understanding long time back. Hope I am wrong... Let see

 

Why you hope you are wrong, Richie? Because your theory points to something very bad happening in near future? 

 

All in all, I see that many of you are thinking we may be very near the time when UN will get the power and all prophecies relating to that will go in motion. Oh, I really wish that to be true so much. All the people and whole planet needs Jehovah to step in so much. On the other hand it seems to me that downward spiral of this world may continue for some more time before that happens, and its problems may become even bigger than they are today. In any case, Jehovah will help us to go through anything. It is so interesting to watch world events nowadays, everything is moving so quickly.

[Mike047]

2 hours ago, Ahuvah said:

We only have what was quoted there by the FDS at the moment. Best to go with latest understanding until something changes.

 

 (If you go back to Greg's post, that was verbatim from the AM)

This is true, Amanda, but it is also true that we await the way things develop. Of, course, further developments will be explained by the GB in due course. 

[Ahuvah]

38 minutes ago, Mike047 said:

This is true, Amanda, but it is also true that we await the way things develop. Of, course, further developments will be explained by the GB in due course. 

Absolutely but in the screenshot below, the GB has already stated something you disagreed with. Just want to be careful not to change what has been said by the GB. There are of course,  pathways yet to be taken that haven't been clarified, only time will give us that. I'm with you on that.

Edited 23 hours ago by Ahuvah