Charlie Kirk asassinated

[Pabo]

Oh, phew!

 

I think I need to go and see an optometrist.

 

I thought I read the Captain Kirk was assassinated.

 

 

[Dustparticle]

21 hours ago, computerwiz said:

While talks of civil war are erupting again

We are living in crazy times.  No matter what, the Anglo-American Power will be as one when the end comes  

[LeolaRootStew]

51 minutes ago, Ishaya said:

I really wonder how people feel safe living in the US with things like this,mass shootings,gang violence, assassination,serial killers etc 

 

It's indeed a miracle seeing the next day in a place like that.

 

1) Many people don't feel safe.

 

2) A "feeling" of safety is perception, not reality. The perception is largely affected by various forms of media, which make money when they make people afraid - no one buys a newspaper to be told everything is fine.

 

3) America is a big place. All the violence I hear about happens "somewhere else". Unless I see something happening in my area, I can reasonably assume I am safe that day.

 

Conclusion: If I base my feelings on real-world interactions I feel fairly safe; if I watch the news too much I feel unsafe.

Edited yesterday at 12:43 PM by LeolaRootStew

[BlaqueCalalilly]

1 hour ago, Ishaya said:

I really wonder how people feel safe living in the US with things like this,mass shootings,gang violence, assassination,serial killers etc 

 

It's indeed a miracle seeing the next day in a place like that.

 

We survive... Like you do in your country....it's no different than living in any other place... violence is in every country. 

 

America isn't just one big violence hole you know.....there are some areas are actually quite quiet on the violence front.

 

In my area we do have quite a bit of violence...we hear sirens almost every night nowadays.  

In other areas people don't hear sirens or deal with violence every day...

 

Edited yesterday at 12:55 PM by BlaqueCalalilly

[LeolaRootStew]

57 minutes ago, Ishaya said:

I really wonder how people feel safe living in the US with things like this,mass shootings,gang violence, assassination,serial killers etc 

 

It's indeed a miracle seeing the next day in a place like that.

 

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Nigeria

 

I did a quick search for crime statistices of the USA vs Nigeria and it shows Nigeria is more dangerous in almost every category. Do you feel like it's a miracle every day you survive? How much of your perception of America is shaped by media constantly highlighting crime?

Edited yesterday at 12:48 PM by LeolaRootStew

[Shawnster]

Listened to a morning DJ briefly and he made a comment I hadn't thought about. He was mentioning how this news is being stirred up and the connection was made to AI, chatbots, and social media. The conclusion is how easily news like this can be amplified and the people stirred up by various true, half true, and false stories and memes that get circulated and repeated over and over again until everyone is worked into a frenzy. 

 

That's what this looks like. A frenzy. 

[Brother_Bliss]

Apparently the suspect has been caught....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirks-suspected-assassin-captured-after-fatal-shooting-influential-conservative-voice-utah?

 

 

[Witness1970]

My wife has been pioneering for years.  We started at the same time in December 2021.  I stopped on August 31, 2025.

 

Unfortunately, she has been constantly listening to reports about Charlie Vick ever since it happened.  I just try to tune it all out.

[myvalk]

On 9/10/2025 at 9:25 PM, Shawnster said:

Quite. 

 

Sadly, this is par for the course. This is the world. Someone, say a political personality, dies and his supporters mourn while his opponents rejoice. Doesn't matter the side or their particular flavor of politics, the comments are always along this pattern. 

 

It's disgusting and shows how important political neutrality is. There is never an excuse to rejoice over anyone's death. 

 

His lines of reasoning, particularly on abortion, were very insightful. 

 

 

Yes, the definition of irony. 

 

Although, this apparently was a planned assassination and not the result of a nut with a gun. If that really is the case, gun control laws may not have mattered. 

 

But it definitely is irony. 

Gun laws are for the most part, useless against criminals. Because criminals don’t follow laws. 

[Tia]

4 hours ago, Ishaya said:

I really wonder how people feel safe living in the US with things like this,mass shootings,gang violence, assassination,serial killers etc 

 

Yes indeed my brother - It is truly hard on parents today - I just heard on the news that one mother 

dropped off her children for school and turned around only to retrieve them from school for

fear from all the school shootings today. 

 

There are many home schoolers at present, and I suppose there will be many more very soon. 

 

[Shawnster]

5 minutes ago, Tia said:

There are many home schoolers at present, and I suppose there will be many more very soon. 

The neighbor that lives behind my father in law is homeschooling her children for this very reason. 

 

 

[Hope]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The neighbor that lives behind my father in law is homeschooling her children for this very reason. 

 

 

 

For the people who cannot homeschool (I was one), these days must be truly horrific.. 😢 

[Dustparticle]

 

I might be wrong, does anyone think this discussion here has gone overboard?

[computerwiz]

1 minute ago, Dustparticle said:

 

I might be wrong, does anyone think this discussion here has gone overboard?

 

Not at all.  It follows the natural progression of a conversation, and has been quite civil compared to other hot topics.  In my opinion...

[Julsey]

4 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The neighbor that lives behind my father in law is homeschooling her children for this very reason. 

 

 

I hope she doesn’t allow them to access social media. Between that and going away to university, my 22 yo niece went from being a really nice kid to being depressed and posting things to her IG account which are similar to what I imagine was posted by all the student protesters we saw last year. Throw in some pro-homosexual and transgender stuff along with that. I could go on, but I think you get my drift. What makes it worse is that I seem to be the only person in the family who looks at what she posts. Everyone else is blissfully unaware. <sigh> I keep fearing a lot for her. 

[kejedo]

Look Back: A newspaper humorist whose column was ocassionally featured in our univ. newspaper, was hired to speak at the same university. He was heckled by some in the audience. Proves college age persons are two immature to speak to or to entertain. I'm sorry for this outcome. I was also considering doing some public speaking, perhaps for high schools, but am now painfully aware of how dangerous this could be.

[Brandon]

11 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

I am not in favor of abortion, but I am not interested in making laws that control everyone else.

Exactly, having this correct balance has proven difficult for many witnesses to apply (and virtually impossible for mainstream Christians to understand as they happily engage with the political systems).

 

We do not believe in abortion, gay marriage, or violence. We also recommend to others (RVs, neighbours, etc) that following the bible on these issues is the happiest way to live, but we do not try to force others to follow our moral code even when provoked to do so, for example when an anti-abortion instigator might tell us “you don’t vote? So you’re ok with killing babies then…”

 

it takes great shrewdness and self control to assure oneself of one’s faithfulness in the face of politically charged people around us 

[Ishaya]

8 hours ago, Brother_Bliss said:

Apparently the suspect has been caught....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirks-suspected-assassin-captured-after-fatal-shooting-influential-conservative-voice-utah?

 

 

 

 

What might be the motive?

 

There's rumour's among students here that the assassination was probably sponsored by the LGBT community because he has been very outspoken against their lifestyle as unholy and sinful.could this be true?

[Sheep]

I don't have any children that I homeschooled. But one of my cousins has been doing it for years. I'm not sure how many years, but it must be 15 years plus. As far as I recall, she didn't give a reason for doing things that way, but it may not have had anything to do with school violence. But she thought about it a lot before deciding that was what she wanted. Her husband makes enough money that she doesn't have to work, but I remember her saying she would somehow find the means to do it even if she had to work. She says the benefits stand head-and-shoulders about any negative points; she is always with her children, and so never misses them or worries about them where they are. She has plenty of time with them, and so never is kept in the dark about what they're up to. She knows their strong subjects and the ones she needs to work on more. Any problems that one of her children come across are brought to her attention immediately, giving her more time to work on a solution. Sometimes she invites others from school to come to their home to get to know her children, so they are never at a loss for friends. Her favourite time is when she invites them for worldly holidays (she's not in the truth), since the whole families are available then.

 

I have never heard any negative comments from her about her life with her children.

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

This discussion? No.  It's a reflection of the current events at the moment. 

There many’s events every day. Then I assume some have use this one as a selection.. The killer will face the law regarding this. Before 9-11, every day the main thing was on the news was shark attacks. Can the media focus on something beside  this? They need to get a life and put politics aside.

[kejedo]

6 hours ago, Hope said:

 

For the people who cannot homeschool (I was one), these days must be truly horrific.. 😢 

My sons got 3 to 4 hours of homework every night. I could exceed school's expectations in that amount of time or less. And did. I home tutored my neighbor's son and he made up three years in one.

[Lance]

This topic has gone completely off the rails … STOP.. I have had to hide some posts ..🙈

 

Jehovah in Jeremiah firmly explained how to live as exiles in a foreign land…

We are exiles in a foreign land … We are figuratively living in Babylon…

Since we are Witnesses of Jehovah .. let’s get biblical…

 

Notice Jehovahs words to Jeremiah…

Jeremiah 29:7

And seek the peace of the city to which I have exiled you, and pray in its behalf to Jehovah, for in its peace you will have peace.  8 For this is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, says: “Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they are dreaming.  9 For ‘they are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them,’ declares Jehovah.”’”

 

Remaining neutral as a Christian in the face of political assassinations is not about indifference—it’s about anchoring your response in faith, compassion, and discernment as laid out in Jehovahs word.

Use it as you were trained …  

 

This is your test …. Right now .. the posts you made …Did you pass it?  Or did you get sucked into the diviners of this system?

 

Jesus lived in a politically volatile time, yet He never aligned Himself with partisan agendas. Instead, He focused on the Kingdom of Heaven, confronting injustice without being consumed by political entanglements.

 

Neutrality means not being swept into tribalism.
It means evaluating every political event—including assassinations—through the lens of Jehovah’s applied word. Not the diviners of this world.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Lance

[Witness1970]

10 minutes ago, Dages said:

Let's wait for the facts and not rumors.

I've read is family is Mormons.

But he also that he was quite antifa.

Let's be patient

Most of what I said were quotes from him and from things his family has said.  I don't want anyone to think I am taking sides.  I am not, but sometimes when you just report the truth it appears you are taking sides. 

 

If I say I am against abortion, some people may assume I am a Republican.  When I say I believe in the science behind climate change, some people assume I am a Democrat.

 

Before I totally stopped listening to Charlie Kirk I heard some of the things he said.  Satan could quote the Bible and make people that have insufficient knowledge believe things that are wrong.

[Shawnster]

9 hours ago, kejedo said:

My sons got 3 to 4 hours of homework every night. I could exceed school's expectations in that amount of time or less. And did. I home tutored my neighbor's son and he made up three years in one.

 

Buddy of mine was home schooled due to health reasons. This was back in the late 80s early 90s, so before internet. His mom had no role in the home schooling except as task master.  He literally did no school work for a year and still graduated on time. That's 4 years of high school in 3 years. 

 

And that was back in the stone age. 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Dages said:

 

I've read is family is Mormons.

 

 

To be fair, though, the kid is from Utah where 8 out of 10 people are LDS (Mormon) and the other 2 are former members. 

 

I joke, but only a little. 

 

The percentage of Mormons in Utah is a subject of debate, with estimates varying by method: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) reports about 64% membership, but a 2023 study found only 42% of Utahns self-identify as members, indicating a significant portion are inactive or have left the faith. Factors contributing to this decline include an influx of non-Mormon residents, increasing secularization, and lower retention rates for young people.