DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[Omoyeme]

24 minutes ago, Skye said:

YES! Please, we beseech you, dear Court, let's see who has been burning down homes and disrupting peaceful meetings, and throwing Molotov cocktails and and and....! Let the FACTS speak for themselves. 

Agreed. I was hoping that the JW lawyers could have a moment to say to the court that one of our brothers from Crimea had died of an apparent heart attack because of the persecution that he suffered.

[Jahleadsme]

Agreed. I was hoping that the JW lawyers could have a moment to say to the court that one of our brothers from Crimea had died of an apparent heart attack because of the persecution that he suffered.

That may contribute in touching the judge's heart if it is not that of stone.

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[Omoyeme]

14:45

	The explanation is given to the court by Novakov. And his first thought is that the circumstances referred to by the court related to the commission of administrative offenses do not have a prejudicial effect on the case.

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[Canticles]

Thank Jehovah This video was finally showed , for the whole world and media to see the falsification of evidence . Good

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[Omoyeme]

14:54 Revised.(Corrected below to reflect accuracy from jw-russia.org.)

 

	Novakov shows the court a sequence of video surveillance personnel, clearly showing that the extremist publications of Jehovah's Witnesses were planted. He brings to the court and other glaring facts, which testify to the falsification of evidence against Jehovah's Witnesses in the regions of Russia. All these falsified cases are the basis of this case.

 

15:10

Novakov draws attention to paragraph 34 of Resolution No. 16 of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of June 15, 2010. The Plenum explained that "the new facts" (that is, the facts discovered within 12 months after the warning was issued) can not recognize those violations that were detected after the warning was issued, but were admitted in materials distributed earlier than this warning. Novakov points out that the court of first instance did not give any assessment to the fact that, although these warnings were issued after March 2, 2016, but announced in connection with the events "taking place" before the warning issued by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation in Voronezh, Snezhnogorsk, in Stavropol.

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[cricket246]

My mom and I said a prayer for Russia this morning and I will be checking on here every little bit for details! Thanks to everyone for keeping us updated.

[Omoyeme]

15:24

	His explanation begins to give a lawyer Omelchenko. In response to the court's request not to repeat the explanations of his colleagues, Omelchenko loudly and clearly declares her intention to focus on the violation of international law.

 

15:25

	Omelchenko draws attention to the fact that there is a violation of the right to a fair trial, guaranteed by art. 6 of the European Convention.

 

15:29

Omelchenko convincingly proves that the court also committed a violation of the ban on politically motivated prosecution stemming from Art. 18 of the Convention, taken in conjunction with Art. Art. 9 and 6 of the Convention. The European Court of Human Rights in its Merabishvili v. Georgia ruling points to the most obvious signs of political repression: when the state authorities unequivocally resist the repeated appeals of the applicant, the public and even some high-ranking government officials on an objective and thorough investigation, it can be argued that [the To] the applicant measures are not a means of lawful response to his behavior, but a means of political persecution. This is what happens with Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia.

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[Jahleadsme]

This hearing may not end today.

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[cricket246]

I wonder how long they actually intend on drawing this court case out? If they end up having to find in our favor, they will have to give back all they have taken.

[Canticles]

I can understand your feeling bro, same here ... But am loving the way great Witness is been given to the world and media . Either it ends today or any other day . Jehovah our Father is in control, his timing remains the best .

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[Omoyeme]

4 minutes ago, Jahleadsme said:

This hearing may not end today.

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The hearing will adjourn, but the Supreme Court decision will not be announced today, in my opinion.

[Omoyeme]

15:35

Omelchenko points out that there was a violation of the right to freedom of religion, speech and association, guaranteed by art. Art. 9, 10, 11 of the Convention. For example, he draws attention to the requirement of international law that state intervention should be provided for by law. In particular, the law must be specific, and its application is predictable. Omelchenko, according to the materials of this case, proves that the application of anti-extremist legislation to Jehovah's Witnesses is of an uncertain and unpredictable nature.

15:40

	International law requires that state intervention should pursue a legitimate aim, and also be necessary in a democratic society. Omelchenko draws attention to the fact that over 100 years of history there have not been any extremist manifestations on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses. But after this decision, a large number of believers were subjected to an unjustified violation of their rights.

15:45

	The representative of the Management Center Kalin supported the appeal and the explanations of lawyers. The representative of the Ministry of Justice Borisova has the right to present her explanations.

15:50

	The Justice Ministry believes that the court decision to ban Jehovah's Witnesses organizations was legal and fair. Borisova says that every religion has the right to spread their beliefs and views, but the language should not offend the followers of other religions.

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[Omoyeme]

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Borisova says that every religion has the right to spread their beliefs and views, but the language should not offend the followers of other religions.

 

Borisova's buttress is ludicrous! If that were the case, then the scathing books by the Russian Orthodox church about JW's should have been confiscated and the church itself liquidated long ago...Hypocrites!

 

 

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[SUNRAY]

As Christians we follow Jesus Christ by referring people to God's Word...When we consider Jesus's words in Matt. chapter 23, how is it possible that Jesus did not offend the religious leaders of his day??

[Omoyeme]

16:00

	Borisova cites the facts of interaction between the Administrative Center and local religious organizations. According to the Ministry of Justice, this should indicate a unified structure, the integrity and identity of religious organizations.

16:19

	Concluding his speech, the representative of the Ministry of Justice asks the court to leave the decision unchanged, and the appeal is not satisfied.

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[Araujo JW]

6 minutes ago, Omo_Yeme said:

16:00

	Borisova cites the facts of interaction between the Administrative Center and local religious organizations. According to the Ministry of Justice, this should indicate a unified structure, the integrity and identity of religious organizations.

16:19

	Concluding his speech, the representative of the Ministry of Justice asks the court to leave the decision unchanged, and the appeal is not satisfied.

 

Indeed, it is a unified structure, as it is all over the world, but this unified structure offers no danger to the community.

This is a weak argument!

[Omoyeme]

16:20

	The court does not have any questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The court proceeds to examine the case materials. Representatives of the defendants asked to disclose a number of case materials, however Judge Manohin strongly objects: "We did not receive this case yesterday. We have been preparing it for a long time. And they are well acquainted with all these documents. "

 

16:29	A 20-minute break is announced.

[M&M]

Someone above somewhere said something to the affect that the Orthodox Church condemns JW's and others and doesn't every religion think they are the one true faith and that in regards to that and something else (Can't find it now) that the Orthodox Church should have been banned a long time ago. They apparently label at least some other religions as cults and they believe that Orthodox means true worship, obviously separating that from false worship.

 

 

http://www.pravmir.com/why-the-cults/

 

4. True worship. Many Christians don’t understand what worship is, and confuse it with instruction or entertainment. But in the Bible worship is accounted as essential. People yearn to ‘worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness’ (Psalm 96); they fall down and worship Him because if they did not, ‘the stones themselves would sing.’ The word “Orthodox” means “true worship”; worship is the glue that binds the Church together and authenticates its life. If worship is not adequate to God, there is a void in people’s hearts that will be filled. They will worship something or someone; what will it be?

[cricket246]

Perhaps if JW's are first the orthodox church will be next, could get the ball rolling. If the government thinks hey, this is easy! Let's go take all the buildings belonging to those churches too! We could be rich!

[Jahleadsme]

16:00

	Borisova cites the facts of interaction between the Administrative Center and local religious organizations. According to the Ministry of Justice, this should indicate a unified structure, the integrity and identity of religious organizations.

16:19

	Concluding his speech, the representative of the Ministry of Justice asks the court to leave the decision unchanged, and the appeal is not satisfied.

The representative of MOJ is really joking. Why should an unjustified decision be left unchanged.

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[Omoyeme]

Several photos are uploaded today from the hearing on jw-russia.org.

[M&M]

10 minutes ago, cricket246 said:

Perhaps if JW's are first the orthodox church will be next, could get the ball rolling. If the government thinks hey, this is easy! Let's go take all the buildings belonging to those churches too! We could be rich!

Apparently, the government just gave the Orthodox Church all of those buildings not too long ago.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-protest-against-the-greed-of-putins-favorite-church

The question of church properties seized by the atheist Soviet communist state almost a century ago has been creating resentments among liberal Russians for several years, ever since the Kremlin approved a law allowing the return of thousands of properties to religious organizations. Many of these buildings had been museums and concert halls for as long as anyone alive could remember. But in 2010, the Russian Orthodox Church started taking control of them, and in the process, has taken much of the life out of them.

[Bob]

37 minutes ago, SUNRAY said:

As Christians we follow Jesus Christ by referring people to God's Word...When we consider Jesus's words in Matt. chapter 23, how is it possible that Jesus did not offend the religious leaders of his day??

This has to be one of the most outrageous things I've ever read.

 

The whole point behind things like freedom of speech is to protect "offensive" or unpopular speech.  Who determines what's offensive and what not? Does it depend on what religious denomination the speech comes from?

 

Obviously....

[Omoyeme]

16:50

	After the break, the court asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice to express his opinion on the disclosure of the materials of the case, which the defendant requests. Ministry of Justice objects. The court decides to announce some of the materials of the case.

 

16:54

	The court reads the conclusions of the legal expert opinion, which analyzes the norms of anti-extremist legislation, namely, the notion of "structural subdivision" in relation to religious organizations. The conclusions to which the experts come are that from the legal point of view, local religious organizations can not be attributed to the structural subdivision of centralized organizations.

17:00

	A public statement of the Management Center was circulated in February 2017. A religious expert certificate about Jehovah's Witnesses has been published.

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[Jahleadsme]

16:50

	After the break, the court asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice to express his opinion on the disclosure of the materials of the case, which the defendant requests. Ministry of Justice objects. The court decides to announce some of the materials of the case.

 
16:54

	The court reads the conclusions of the legal expert opinion, which analyzes the norms of anti-extremist legislation, namely, the notion of "structural subdivision" in relation to religious organizations. The conclusions to which the experts come are that from the legal point of view, local religious organizations can not be attributed to the structural subdivision of centralized organizations.

 
 

heart beats...

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