Mormons lgbt

[navco]

     it seems every religion claiming Christian will give in to the LGBT before the great tribulation in my opinion

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox13now.com/2018/07/10/the-lds-church-gave-money-to-an-lgbtq-mormon-support-group-for-suicide-prevention/amp/

Edited July 17, 2018 by navco

[Miss Bea]

Not quite! This will become more evident as time moves on...

[BenJepthah]

It looks like they are walking a fine line. Nobody wants anyone to become so despondent as to commit suicide and yet they ( the LDS ) are too timid to make the connection between behaviors outside of Gods design and increased unhappiness. This amounts to enabling.

[Greg Dent]

Yes it does. Sure glad our stand has always been clear!

 

[carlos]

It doesn't allow me to read that article being in Spain but I'm sure there's more to the story than the report says.

 

The position of the Mormon church regarding homosexuality is very similar to ours. There's no reason why Fox News, or any other media source, would be fairer and more impartial with Mormons than they are when they talk about Witnesses.

[Old]

2 hours ago, carlos said:

It doesn't allow me to read that article being in Spain but I'm sure there's more to the story than the report says.

 

The position of the Mormon church regarding homosexuality is very similar to ours. There's no reason why Fox News, or any other media source, would be fairer and more impartial with Mormons than they are when they talk about Witnesses.

FYI

FOX News Channel 13 Salt Lake City

"SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gave an LGBT support group $25,000 for suicide prevention efforts.

Affirmation: LGBTQ Mormons, Families & Friends, announced on Tuesday it had received the grant from the LDS Foundation to focus on suicide prevention. The grant came about after meetings with LDS Church officials, the group said.

The LDS Church funded the entire amount requested, Affirmation said in a statement.

“We hope that this LDS Foundation grant to Affirmation will aid in suicide prevention amongst LGBTQ+ Mormons throughout the world and also be an encouragement to LDS members, bishops, young men’s and young women’s presidencies, and others working with Mormon youth to take advantage of these training opportunities with us,” said Carson Tueller, president of Affirmation, in the statement released by the group.

Studies have shown LGBTQ youth have a higher suicide rate than their straight counterparts.

A spokesman for the LDS Church confirmed the donation. Late Tuesday, after FOX 13 initially reported on it, the church issued a statement.

“We are committed to working with community partners to help prevent suicide and hope this contribution will support this important cause. We are mindful of those who are struggling and encourage them to reach out for help,” LDS Church spokesman Doug Andersen said in an email."

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, carlos said:

It doesn't allow me to read that article being in Spain but I'm sure there's more to the story than the report says.

 

The position of the Mormon church regarding homosexuality is very similar to ours. There's no reason why Fox News, or any other media source, would be fairer and more impartial with Mormons than they are when they talk about Witnesses.

Looks pretty simple to me. The church donated to a suicide prevention organization.  In their mind the fact the organization is focused on the LGBT community is irrelevant. They do not see donating to this organization as tacit support of the LGBT lifestyle. 

 

And that was what the OP seems to be implying.  Donating to an LGBT suicide prevention group is a donation in support of LGBT lifestyle. 

 

 

[Katty]

Edit: should have read the whole thread. But it does go to show how Christian organizations tend to be more tolerant, whereas people are convinced they "hate gays", but the same people will turn around and support something like Islam that actually hates gays. The hypocrisy of the world astounds me.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Katty

[Thesauron]

Donating to an LGBT suicide prevention group is a donation in support of LGBT lifestyle. 
 
 

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying.

[Shawnster]

33 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying.

Since you quoted my comment out of context, I want to just remind everyone that my statement quoted above was simply what I thought the OP was implying.  I was not making a statement about my own feelings.

[Ferb]

32 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying.

But who can be said to have the proper understanding of the issues?

Suppose your child had killed someone in the past, and felt guilty over that, to the point of feeling suicidal.  It's reasonable to want to "turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues".  But if someone were going to encourage them that they shouldn't feel suicidal because they have nothing to feel guilty about because having killed people in the past, if they did it as a soldier serving their country, is something they should feel proud of?  Such a psychologist may be well qualified from a secular point of view, but their understanding of the issues is laughably uninformed from God's point of view.  The creator of the human brain would probably say that the average servant of his, despite maybe having no qualifications in the subject, understands things about these issues that the professional does not.  So is some psychologist necessarily a better person to turn to in that particular situation?

[Thesauron]

But who can be said to have the proper understanding of the issues?
Suppose your child had killed someone in the past, and felt guilty over that, to the point of feeling suicidal.  It's reasonable to want to "turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues".  But if someone were going to encourage them that they shouldn't feel suicidal because they have nothing to feel guilty about because having killed people in the past, if they did it as a soldier serving their country, is something they should feel proud of?  Such a psychologist may be well qualified from a secular point of view, but their understanding of the issues is laughably uninformed from God's point of view.  The creator of the human brain would probably say that the average servant of his, despite maybe having no qualifications in the subject, understands things about these issues that the professional does not.  So is some psychologist necessarily a better person to turn to in that particular situation?

You do realise that the comparison is unfair and incorrect, don’t you? But to go on your line of reasoning... Yes, if he had murdered someone it would probably be good to turn to someone with understanding and knowledge. These might be psychologists, or even excons with a similar background. And, yes, if they were soldiers, they need to learn to come to terms with what they did, and not to dwell on it. To be proud of it would be undesirable, since they need to 1) quit, 2) turn around, and 3) make a change. If you still have bad feelings about it, it is really quite helpful to talk to people, even brothers, with a similar background and understanding.

Since you quoted my comment out of context, I want to just remind everyone that my statement quoted above was simply what I thought the OP was implying.  I was not making a statement about my own feelings.

Not my intention. I just couldn’t quote your entire post.

[navco]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Looks pretty simple to me. The church donated to a suicide prevention organization.  In their mind the fact the organization is focused on the LGBT community is irrelevant. They do not see donating to this organization as tacit support of the LGBT lifestyle. 

 

And that was what the OP seems to be implying.  Donating to an LGBT suicide prevention group is a donation in support of LGBT lifestyle. 

 

 

https://affirmation.org/online-groups/ it's bigger than that they are not just a suicide prevention group it's part that what their real focus is just like any other group like this who links up with false religion it's to gain acceptance for active practicing homosexual groups.

[BenJepthah]

On 7/24/2018 at 10:22 AM, Thesauron said:

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying.

This is the problem. There are suicide prevention orgs that are JUST that: Suicide prevention. I have donated to one . But when you donate to an org that is focused on suicide prevention through the lense of a select group it makes it possible for that group to use its other funds for different purposes. It’s like donating to a generalized org to support urban gardening that also supports legalization of marajuana. You donate to support urban gardening , your money goes to buying carrot seeds, but that means that the organization of record has freed up a little money to lobby for marajuana legalization. yOUR intent is good theirs is “ not so much “.  

Edited July 25, 2018 by BenJepthah
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[BenJepthah]

On 7/24/2018 at 10:22 AM, Thesauron said:

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying.

You are also assuming that this group has the “ proper understanding of the issues”. Many would. But the proper understanding, the one that actually helps the individual struggling with self identity , is Jehovah’s Organization. Many young people struggle to various degrees with depression, sexual identity issues, these subjects are covered in the literature. A general practice of psychology may be needed. But when the group or organization identifies as LGBT you can be sure they are both lobbying politically of some level and hopeful to recruit new members ( exactly the opposite of the proper understanding of the issues). 

[Thesauron]

You are also assuming that this group has the “ proper understanding of the issues”. Many would. But the proper understanding, the one that actually helps the individual struggling with self identity , is Jehovah’s Organization. Many young people struggle to various degrees with depression, sexual identity issues, these subjects are covered in the literature. A general practice of psychology may be needed. But when the group or organization identifies as LGBT you can be sure they are both lobbying politically of some level and hopeful to recruit new members ( exactly the opposite of the proper understanding of the issues). 

I don’t know anything about that particular group.

[Thesauron]

This is the problem. There are suicide prevention orgs that are JUST that: Suicide prevention. I have donated to one . But when you donate to an org that is focused on suicide prevention through the lense of a select group it makes it possible for that group to use its other funds for different purposes. It’s like donating to a generalized org to support urban gardening that also supports legalization of marajuana. You donate to support urban gardening , your money goes to buying carrot seeds, but that means that the organization of record has freed up a little money to lobby for marajuana legalization. yOUR intent is good theirs is “ not so much “.  

Even within good suicide prevention groups there are sections devoted to suicidal thoughts due to sexual deviations. They might also work to persuade law makers and the greater society towards a better understanding of the issues. Nevertheless, they might be good.

[Old]

On 7/24/2018 at 7:22 AM, Thesauron said:

I don’t know about that. If my child was struggling with these feelings, and contemplated suicide, I might turn to someone who has the proper understanding of the issues. Would it be wrong to help their cause? The money does not go to further any LGBT cause, but only save people from dying. 

I agree, something to think about, so here is some food for thought.

If, the only, or the best, hospital near you is run by Catholic Charities and that hospital has a campaign to upgrade their surgeries would you feel it is wrong to contribute? Seems like a similar proposal. Some of the previous posters would think it is OK, that is the hospital I or my family might need. Others will take the position that it is part of Catholic Charities and therefore any contribution even though directly earmarked for the new equipment would be inappropriate, it might allow Catholic Charities to divert some funds to other purposes. That seems logical.

Now let us take the question out of the hypothetical place it into reality.

The hospital is Providence Hospital in Seattle Washington. Providence is overseen by a branch of Catholic Charities and is administered by an Order of Nuns. I imagine what some are thinking right now, "Of course I wouldn't provide money to a Catholic Hospital administered by "The Sisters of Providence." Well guess who opened their doors to a Bloodless Medicine Program to be established under the direct oversight of one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and a sister besides. Oh, by the way, they did get the equipment to assist our stand on 'NO BLOOD.'

 

Providence Hospital has been absorbed by Swedish Medical Group, the Nuns are gone but the program continues. 

 

[BenJepthah]

13 hours ago, Old said:

I agree, something to think about, so here is some food for thought.

If, the only, or the best, hospital near you is run by Catholic Charities and that hospital has a campaign to upgrade their surgeries would you feel it is wrong to contribute? Seems like a similar proposal. Some of the previous posters would think it is OK, that is the hospital I or my family might need. Others will take the position that it is part of Catholic Charities and therefore any contribution even though directly earmarked for the new equipment would be inappropriate, it might allow Catholic Charities to divert some funds to other purposes. That seems logical.

Now let us take the question out of the hypothetical place it into reality.

The hospital is Providence Hospital in Seattle Washington. Providence is overseen by a branch of Catholic Charities and is administered by an Order of Nuns. I imagine what some are thinking right now, "Of course I wouldn't provide money to a Catholic Hospital administered by "The Sisters of Providence." Well guess who opened their doors to a Bloodless Medicine Program to be established under the direct oversight of one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and a sister besides. Oh, by the way, they did get the equipment to assist our stand on 'NO BLOOD.'

 

Providence Hospital has been absorbed by Swedish Medical Group, the Nuns are gone but the program continues. 

 

That’s good news, ( the bloodless unit). There are some of the friends who will not work as a medical professional at facilities for various reasons. Some won’t work for a VA hospital, or a Catholic hospital, etc. The reality is that working at such a place doesn’t typically mean that you MUST or are even requested to participate in any religious or patriotic functions. These facilities tend to be strictly just healthcare oriented. The administration of the facility by a General or a Nunn really doesn’t make a difference but for some of the friends it’s personally unacceptable. I see it as an opportunity to reach people through work interactions that might not otherwise be exposed to our work ethic , conduct, or creed.