The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Lee49 said:

Keep your eyes on Wisconsin, they have lifted the stay at home order, lets see how fast this virus will spread if staying at home doesn't matter!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-stay-home-order-lifted-bars-reopen-supreme-court-coronavirus/5189137002/

 

'OPEN IMMEDIATELY!': Wisconsinites head out to bars after state stay-at-home orders lifted

More than a dozen people had flocked to State Street Pub in Green Bay by 7 p.m. Wednesday. Owner Tera Hansen chose to open as soon as she could, and people started dropping in without any kind of announcement on social media.

 Worship services can now be held in person, too, as long as there are no local restrictions on holding them. It will be up to individual churches, synagogues and mosques to decide whether to allow them. 

I love these discussions. I am personally torn on this. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, if the "stay home" orders were more staggered (like forcing bars etc to limit capacity and forcing protective measures at the same time) instead of absolute (total indefinite closures) you won't have court challenged and people racing out to them now en masse. 

 

In Michigan, our governor has multiple lawsuits against her absolute and really harshly strict "stay home" order that has been extended now THREE times. I'm not saying which approach is best, but I'm saying there are consequences and trade-offs that are not and were not ever seriously considered.  

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[Bob]

According to this map, only 8 states are in full shutdowns. Its going to be interesting to see how long they can stay dug in seeing how most other states are having phased and staggered reopening, and are at least at the moment, showing its possible to save lives and save livelihoods. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html

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Another sad Milestone: 300,000 deaths
(and this figure is open to interpretation)

 

46,000 reported critically ill. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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[Todd komaniak]

Here's how I feel about the stay-at-home thought worldwide every year 1.35 million people died due to car related accidents everyday 3700 people died worldwide so everybody that goes out and drives they know in the back of their mind they could possibly die but yet they still do it and this is a way bigger number than the Coronavirus there's no cure for going out and driving and not die except for everybody to stop driving to lose a loved one or a friend in death is very hard thing to go through lost my mother 3 years ago but remember in the light of the scripture in Romans where it says the wages of sin pays is death anybody that would die by the coronavirus now before the Great Tribulation will have a second chance

[Bob]

47 minutes ago, Todd komaniak said:

Here's how I feel about the stay-at-home thought worldwide every year 1.35 million people died due to car related accidents everyday 3700 people died worldwide so everybody that goes out and drives they know in the back of their mind they could possibly die but yet they still do it and this is a way bigger number than the Coronavirus there's no cure for going out and driving and not die except for everybody to stop driving to lose a loved one or a friend in death is very hard thing to go through lost my mother 3 years ago but remember in the light of the scripture in Romans where it says the wages of sin pays is death anybody that would die by the coronavirus now before the Great Tribulation will have a second chance

I get you point. When it comes to driving, we balance the risks with the rewards. The risks are, as you say, death and/or serious injury. But we realize that the rewards outweigh the risks so we decide to drive because we need to get to work, etc. 

 

With Covid-19, we MUST do the same thing - balance the risks with the rewards. The risks of dying from Covid based on age is listed below. So we must evaluate our risks and make a decision. This is the information our officials simply are hiding from us:

 

 

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[Old]

38 minutes ago, Bob said:

This is the information our officials simply are hiding from us:

 

Who is hiding it from us? Those or similar statistics have been available for weeks. Based on age and risk my wife and I went into limited isolation at about the time of the Kirkland Washington bloom.

 

LOCAL NEWS: our area in Oregon has lifted the total restriction, as of tomorrow the following busninesses may open.

Restaurants and bars for sit-down service.

Personal care and services businesses, including barbers and salons.

In-person gatherings of up to 25 people.

 

We are still under the organizations direction for isolation, and speaking for my wife and I, we will not be taking advantage of this relaxatiom of rules until the Branch says OK to meet again.

[Bob]

Thanks Jerry for replying, brother. A couple of things here I would love to address for you:

 

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Who is hiding it from us? Those or similar statistics have been available for weeks. Based on age and risk my wife and I went into limited isolation at about the time of the Kirkland Washington bloom.

Yes, it has been available. But it being available and actually sharing that data during press conferences or Covid updates have been lacking, as far as I have seen. Of course, I am happy to be wrong about that, but states that prefer lockdowns have not shared this information during their "updates" They perpetuate the myth that leaving your house will automatically lead to your infection and death. They don't encourage citizen to evaluate their own health choices. They are attempting make the choices FOR us. 

 

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We are still under the organizations direction for isolation, and speaking for my wife and I, we will not be taking advantage of this relaxatiom of rules until the Branch says OK to meet again.

Agree. My wife and I are not planning on taking advantage of loosened restrictions, even though we both kept out jobs (fortunately) throughout  And yes, the meetings are still closed because the risk is way to high right now.

 

I understand and accept that. 

 

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[Todd komaniak]

I'm not being political about this but there is an agenda to some states because they are so in the rears with their pensions that they want a bailout look up how much some of these states like Illinois New Jersey how much they are in the rear with their pensions and that is why the agenda is to make it look so bad that the federal government to bailed them out

[Leon J]

I'll possibly be on the phone tie in long after they open the hall back up. My wife and I talked about this yesterday because she's going back to work full time at the end of the month. 
I'm very high risk for this doing me some damage if I get it. 

 

We are talking separate bedrooms after she goes back to work. 

 

We are going to wait a few weeks till after there's no new infections in our area for a good month.

 

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[BenJepthah]

2 minutes ago, Leon J said:

I'll possibly be on the phone tie in long after they open the hall back up. My wife and I talked about this yesterday because she's going back to work full time at the end of the month. 
I'm very high risk for this doing me some damage if I get it. 

 

We are talking separate bedrooms after she goes back to work. 

 

We are going to wait a few weeks till after there's no new infections in our area for a good month.

 

Sounds prudent.

[Todd komaniak]

I'm high risk as well I'm 57 I have diabetes although I'm not overweight but it's the pills that they say the virus attaches itself and then infect you and I'm a mailman so I had no choice to be out here but I guess because I was forced I don't feel that fear of catching it I have been distancing and they let us sign for other people's packages so they don't have to touch anything of mine

[Lee49]

20 minutes ago, Todd komaniak said:

I'm not being political about this but there is an agenda to some states because they are so in the rears with their pensions that they want a bailout look up how much some of these states like Illinois New Jersey how much they are in the rear with their pensions and that is why the agenda is to make it look so bad that the federal government to bailed them out

And the postal service?

Also I would say that staying home plus not driving is a double safety net according to percentages! As is washing, cleaning, wearing a mask, social distancing!

[Todd komaniak]

It's funny how they classified some people essential and some people not essential so the grocery stores of course are essential. people need to eat food but the people that are buying the food such as hairdressers and other groups of people that make them in contact with other people aren't allowed to work but need money to buy that food so it's kind of a double whammy for some

[Todd komaniak]

Lee don't believe everything you hear about the postal service in their finances they're making the Postal Service pay out something like 5 billion a year towards our pension we're caught up for 99 years but they're still making us pay that every year that was put in place by I think the second President Bush not sure. but. If they would take that away we would be in the black like you wouldn't believe

[Thesauron]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

This is the information our officials simply are hiding from us:

Hahaha, stop it, dude! 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

es, it has been available. But it being available and actually sharing that data during press conferences or Covid updates have been lacking, as far as I have seen.

I see you're in Michigan.  I'm in Ohio.  I can't speak for the daily news conferences you are watching.  I can only speak about the information given on the ones I'm watching.  

 

If you're disappointed about the amount of information coming from the political representatives where you live, I don't know what to say.  I feel quite informed by the Ohio governor's daily press conferences.

 

Further, the information is readily available through various news outlets.  Between local news, national news, and the Internet, the people of the United States are actually more informed than ever before.  The fact that with a few clicks you find whatever information you want shows that it really isn't all that hidden.

 

Perhaps this is coming down to personal opinion as to how much news you are expecting to hear from the political leaders?  Perhaps some leaders are better at informing the populace than others?  Should we be surprised at this imbalance in Satan's world?

 

I don't think, though, any accusations about "hidden" information is quite accurate, especially if we can sit at home  and access such information with ease.  

[Thesauron]

Here's how I feel about the stay-at-home thought worldwide every year 1.35 million people died due to car related accidents everyday 3700 people died worldwide so everybody that goes out and drives they know in the back of their mind they could possibly die but yet they still do it and this is a way bigger number than the Coronavirus there's no cure for going out and driving and not die except for everybody to stop driving to lose a loved one or a friend in death is very hard thing to go through lost my mother 3 years ago but remember in the light of the scripture in Romans where it says the wages of sin pays is death anybody that would die by the coronavirus now before the Great Tribulation will have a second chance

Isn’t that a bad comparison, though? View it this way: If a new technology with an fast increasing use would over the course of a few months go from 0 to 300’000 dead people, you’d surely seriously look into what was wrong with that technology, and expect your governments to take it seriously.

[Todd komaniak]

You're not talking about 5G are you that's just a fallacy and second what about that new technology of self-driving cars haha

[Thesauron]

You're not talking about 5G are you that's just a fallacy and second what about that new technology of self-driving cars haha

No, you’re right. I’m talking about a made up technology. 5g has not killed 300’000 people or even nearly except in the minds I deluded Internet conspiracy theories. However, if, all of a sudden, 5G really should be responsible for 300’000 people’s deaths in a few months and increasing, you’d expect serious precautions to be taken.

(Self-driving car technologies are being tested as the solution to all the car related deaths.)

[Bob]

46 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I see you're in Michigan.  I'm in Ohio.  I can't speak for the daily news conferences you are watching.  I can only speak about the information given on the ones I'm watching.  

 

If you're disappointed about the amount of information coming from the political representatives where you live, I don't know what to say.  I feel quite informed by the Ohio governor's daily press conferences.

 

Further, the information is readily available through various news outlets.  Between local news, national news, and the Internet, the people of the United States are actually more informed than ever before.  The fact that with a few clicks you find whatever information you want shows that it really isn't all that hidden.

 

Perhaps this is coming down to personal opinion as to how much news you are expecting to hear from the political leaders?  Perhaps some leaders are better at informing the populace than others?  Should we be surprised at this imbalance in Satan's world?

 

I don't think, though, any accusations about "hidden" information is quite accurate, especially if we can sit at home  and access such information with ease.  

Yeah I was speaking to Bob earlier and yes, Ohio seems very open and I appreciate that. Not all States are the same obviously.

 

You're correct in that people have more access here than elsewhere, but large swaths (or most) of people rely on local news outlets who can only dedicate a moment or two to any given topic, and doomsday headlines dominate internet searches. 

 

That's why the narrative doesn't focus on managing risks - the focus is on staying locked in your house, or if you don't, you're going to kill grandma. I don't think there is a doubt that this is what they want communicated. 

 

You remember what was said about Florida? They did not lockdown until April. The media said the gov has blood on his hand because he was turning Florida into another Italy. Florida is doing better than many States that locked down in mid/late March. No one is talking about that.

 

That's what I mean, brother. I don't agree with the narrative pushed. 

47 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

Hahaha, stop it, dude! 

I don't mind being called out if I'm wrong. Keep it coming!!

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[Bob]

On another note, the media has demonized asymptomatic people as silent covid spreaders. While I DO understand the concern, the fact that many, many people are living with the disease means it is not nearly as deadly as advertised, and that herd immunity is gained through those who don't ever have symptoms. 

 

It a balancing act. One that simply isn't embraced in the media or by politicians. 

[Tortuga]

35 minutes ago, Bob said:

That's what I mean, brother. I don't agree with the narrative pushed. 

As I understand it, apparently the Branch does. They have locked down all of the Branch facilities, cancelled classes, conventions, meetings and public witnessing and told us to obey the secular authority in our area as long as it doesn't conflict with direction from the Branch. 

[Bob]

16 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

As I understand it, apparently the Branch does. They have locked down all of the Branch facilities, cancelled classes, conventions, meetings and public witnessing and told us to obey the secular authority in our area as long as it doesn't conflict with direction from the Branch. 

They are obeying the executive orders. I haven't heard anyone from the GB say they agree with the government's reasoning or rationale, or the narrative being pushed by the media. 

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[Bob]

5 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

As I understand it, apparently the Branch does. They have locked down all of the Branch facilities, cancelled classes, conventions, meetings and public witnessing and told us to obey the secular authority in our area as long as it doesn't conflict with direction from the Branch. 

In fact, I obey the "stay home" orders. But I am a human being at the same time. I don't have to agree with the reasons for it as long as I obey. 

[Thesauron]

On another note, the media has demonized asymptomatic people as silent covid spreaders. While I DO understand the concern, the fact that many, many people are living with the disease means it is not nearly as deadly as advertised, and that herd immunity is gained through those who don't ever have symptoms. 
 
It a balancing act. One that simply isn't embraced in the media or by politicians. 

The truth is that we know very little about how this virus works. It teaches us every day. We don’t know what it will do to us in a couple of months, we can only guess and make educated speculations. Some of our guesses will turn out to be wrong.

It seems plausible that people are both living and dying from the disease without it ever being diagnosed. Does that make it less bad? No. It just makes it much harder to control.

In fact, I obey the "stay home" orders. But I am a human being at the same time. I don't have to agree with the reasons for it as long as I obey. 

We are neutral regarding whatever political decisions are handed to us.