The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Bob]

4 hours ago, Tortuga said:

I need help finding the article but I remember that it reminded us about not forming opinions about what other countries do or don't do because the local media has convinced us the foreign country is not trustworthy. Please share the article if you find it.

Its not the local media, though. China historically suppresses what it doesn't like. We are actively suppressed in China right now. You run the serious risk of being thrown in jail for merely disagreeing with the Government. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Bob

[blue-jay]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Well, there is a HUGE difference between the numbers being "inaccurate" and "fudged" (or deliberately tampered with). I am not speaking about the former with China, but the latter. 

 

The US Gov't, unlike the Chinese Gov't, isn't actively censoring information. 

My point was that the end result is the same. The numbers aren't accurate.

[Bob]

1 minute ago, blue-jay said:

My point was that the end result is the same. The numbers aren't accurate.

No, is not the same. Inaccuracies aren't off by orders of magnitude when you're merely miscounting. Statistics allow for margins of error. But active suppression is a completely different story. 

 

Its like if you have 50,000 citizens you have to count by hand. You're going to miscount and be off by a few. But if you have those same 50,000 and just say its only 20,000 to make your area look under-populated, that's a different ball game.

 

The only reason why I spending time on this is because there is no comparison between mistakes in counting cases and deliberately hiding cases. 

[blue-jay]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

No, is not the no comparison between mistakes in counting cases and deliberately hiding cases. 

And you have complete faith that the American government or healthcare system wouldn't lie or misreport statistics?

I guess I'm a lot more mistrustful in this government than you. 

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, blue-jay said:

And you have complete faith that the American government or healthcare system wouldn't lie or misreport statistics?

I guess I'm a lot more mistrustful in this government than you. 

I don't have any proof the US lied about COVID stats. I KNOW for a fact China has.

[pnutts]

Numbers are at least a day out of date and as for under counting, many places cut way back on testing. Not just in the US, or China. Sweden cut back on testing. Despite only testing half what they had a couple of weeks ago the province of Ontario in Canada reported the highest New count ever on Tuesday and this is with the GTA in modified stage 2.

[hatcheckgirl]

6 hours ago, Bob said:

I KNOW for a fact China has.

I think we are talking at cross purposes.  It is known that China has and does whatever it takes to run its government according to its own style of government.  This obviously means it is not democratic.  But even strictly democratic countries have been challenged in the way they collect their data (I just googled 'fudge US coronavirus numbers' and 'fudge UK coronavirus numbers' and you'll see that since March numbers and how they are collected have changed).

 

But this is not the point.  An authoritative journal like The Lancet, as well as the WHO, have said things were done properly* in China as far as managing a pandemic goes.  (*properly - by that I mean after the initial non-disclosure and denials.).  Do you not get what I'm saying?  It isn't you not believing that China's numbers are higher because you personally don't believe a regime like China can ever tell the truth.  I agree, and why? Because all governments are from this Satanic system.  All have an agenda, and if it means skewing the numbers, and "lying", then they will do so. 

 

But in the main, China has plateaued at 86,000.  How did they do that?  Is it because once they realised this was going to be SARS again, they knew what worked and then did it?  Is it because they have strong arm policies that make people acquiesce to whatever the government decides?  Yes, and yes.  This is what works, but it's much harder to get large populations to do it in the West.

 

I wish you well and will leave it at that.  I know this sort of discussion is basically neither here nor there.  No one can better the solution Jehovah has for us soon.  Stay safe and much love!

[hatcheckgirl]

The numbers are explained here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/coronavirus-numbers-worldwide-data-tracking-charts/12107500?nw=0

Please, unless you take the time to read the cited article, don't just quote your own opinion.  The graphs display what is happening world-wide.

 

But what we’re trying to show is the size of the outbreak in each country and, importantly, how quickly it’s growing.

And because these viruses (if left unchecked) grow exponentially, they can spread through a population incredibly quickly. This is relevant when the only measures we really have to combat its spread are at a national/state level (e.g. close borders, test people, and get everyone to socially isolate).

In terms of its population, the size of China’s outbreak is tiny (0.006 per cent of the population), but it essentially closed down a country of more than 1 billion people to get it under control.

Cases per capita also makes it look like a country like Taiwan, which has a similar population to Australia and 440 cases, hasn’t been that much more effective than China in controlling the virus.

[Margaret]

Today’s announcements about how many of our brothers, 130,000, have Covid-19 and 5,000 have died from it around the world is heartbreaking 

[Lewis]

Denmark the world’s biggest producer of mink fur is culling as many as 17 million minks after a mutated version of the coronavirus posed a risk of spreading to humans.

 

A Government report stated that the mutated virus had been found to weaken the body’s ability to form antibodies, potentially making the current vaccines under development for Covid-19 ineffective.

 

You can read the whole story at this link. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

[Hotteok]

28 minutes ago, Margaret said:

Today’s announcements about how many of our brothers, 130,000, have Covid-19 and 5,000 have died from it around the world is heartbreaking 

Where could I read the news? Thank you.

[Lewis]

8 minutes ago, VisualizeUrParadise said:

Where could I read the news? Thank you.

It was announced during the midweek meeting, was announced last night for me.

[Tbs77]

New U.S. Daily Coronavirus Cases Top 100,000 for the First Time

From Wall Street Journal (WSJ)

The U.S. re­ported more than 100,000 new coro­n­avirus cases in a sin­gle day for the first time, as in­fec­tions rose in states across the coun­try.

The na­tion recorded more than 102,800 new cases for Wednes­day, sur­pass­ing a record of more than 99,000 set on Oct. 30, ac­cord­ing to data com­piled by Johns Hop­kins Uni­ver­sity.

[WilliamChew]

Be Confident of Divine Victory by Philip Brumley transcript.

 

An appropriate talk in view of the times we live in.

 

Be Confident of Divine Victory - Philip Brumley.pdf

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Be Confident of Divine Victory - Philip Brumley.docx

 

Be Confident of Divine Victory - Philip Brumley.epub

 

Audio file:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zy5jKiZy4DcdFPi39le_TVR-P2zUOhA3/view?usp=sharing

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by WilliamChew

[Bob]

6 hours ago, Margaret said:

Today’s announcements about how many of our brothers, 130,000, have Covid-19 and 5,000 have died from it around the world is heartbreaking 

That's absolutely devastating news. I hope and pray the families are coping with the losses with Jehovah's help. 

[BLEmom]

On 11/3/2020 at 10:02 AM, Tortuga said:

I apologise for being off-topic but isn't there a WT article that reminded us to  not believe everything we hear about other countries? I need help finding the article but I remember that it reminded us about not forming opinions about what other countries do or don't do because the local media has convinced us the foreign country is not trustworthy. Please share the article if you find it.

It was stated in the neutrality video from Bro Jackson. 😉

[Dustparticle]

8 hours ago, Margaret said:

Today’s announcements about how many of our brothers, 130,000, have Covid-19 and 5,000 have died from it around the world is heartbreaking 

I was told the same thing yesterday too.

[Ms. Piffle]

9 hours ago, Margaret said:

Today’s announcements about how many of our brothers, 130,000, have Covid-19 and 5,000 have died from it around the world is heartbreaking 

Yes we got the same announcement. And yes, it was heartbreaking to hear.  

[Allabord4Jah]

On AP News/Nov 5, 2020

 

 

The Latest: UN to hold summit on COVID-19 in December

By The Associated Press28 minutes ago

UNITED NATIONS -- The United Nations has voted to hold a summit on the COVID-19 pandemic on Dec. 3-4 to respond to the spread of the coronavirus around the globe and its “unprecedented” effects on...

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

50 Million reported cases

 

 

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

[Dustparticle]

This situation is outside of Boston https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/nearly-150-covid-19-cases-now-linked-fitchburg-mass-church-cluster/2221658/

 

Over a month ago a sister from Boston told me that the numbers was going up in Boston because of colleges opening up. Churches will not learn. Why? Because it is all about money.

[lesage NM]

HI, How many JWs died from Covid ?

 

[sunshine]

On 11/5/2020 at 4:22 PM, Snority said:

Yes we got the same announcement. And yes, it was heartbreaking to hear.  

That certainly is sad.  Indeed , if we take the population of Switzerland (I take Switzerland as it has a population comparable to us worldwide ) in 2018 just under 2000 people died of influenza and pneumonia in 2018, so our figure (assuming that is people that died *OF* rather than simply with Codiv) is more than double!!

Edited November 8, 2020 by sunshine

[Dustparticle]

35 minutes ago, lesage NM said:

HI, How many JWs died from Covid ?

 

It was announced 5,000

[Tbs77]

This is very interesting. I hope pets and domestic animals don't become able to transmit COVID-19

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/08/science/Covid-virus-transmission-mink.amp.html

Covid Infections in Animals Prompt Scientific Concern

Mink in Denmark are not the only animals that could become reservoirs for the coronavirus to spread new mutations to people.

The decision this week by the Danish government to kill millions of mink because of coronavirus concerns, effectively wiping out a major national industry, has put the spotlight on simmering worries among scientists and conservationists about the vulnerability of animals to the pandemic virus, and what infections among animals could mean for humans.

The most disturbing possibility is that the virus could mutate in animals and become more transmissible or more dangerous to humans. In Denmark, the virus has shifted from humans to mink and back to humans, and has mutated in the process. Mink are the only animals known to have passed the coronavirus to humans, except for the initial spillover event from an unknown species. Other animals, like cats and dogs, have been infected by exposure to humans, but there are no known cases of people being infected by exposure to their pets.

The versions of the virus that have mutated in mink and spread to humans are not more transmissible or causing more severe illness in humans. But one of the variants, found in 12 people so far, was less responsive to antibodies in lab tests. Danish health authorities worried that the effectiveness of vaccines in development might be diminished for this variant, and decided to take all possible measures to stop its spread. This included killing all of the country’s mink and effectively locking down the northern part of the country, where the mutated virus was found. The United Kingdom has banned travelers from Denmark who are not U.K. citizens.

The World Health Organization and scientists outside of Denmark have said they have yet to see evidence that this variant will have any effect on vaccines. They have not, however, criticized Denmark’s decision to cull its mink population.