Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[pnutts]

On 1/20/2021 at 1:43 PM, Old said:

His MS DOS was way before Windows

DOS was a "Basic" of UNIX - a command structure. vary Very Rarely do I use DOS ( on a live disk ) anymore,

but I used to use it low formatting old smaller hard drives or running a scan repair program.

[Lee49]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55780425

Snake oil sales !

 Sri Lanka's health minister, who endorsed herbal syrup to prevent Covid, has tested positive for the virus.

Pavithra Wanniarachchi tested positive on Friday, a media secretary at the Ministry of Health told the BBC.

She had promoted the syrup, manufactured by a shaman who claimed it worked as a life-long inoculation against the virus.

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

 

 

DOS was a "Basic" of UNIX...

 

 

Little off topic.....

Actually no, waaaay off topic

 

Back in the day when I was playing with Motorola 6809, the Intel 8080 and the Zilog Z80, I only knew of DOS. Mainly the Digital Research one CP/M. I never heard of Unix until IBM tried to float their OS2 multi-user platform (which failed).

Back then, there was a clear distinction between single user (PC-Dos, MS-Dos CP/M), and multi-user (Unix). It was some time before we could 'share' files.

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone

[.Ivan.]

In my country they stop vacination because no more vaccines available on market. Insane.

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[pnutts]

Windows was supposed to be OS2....but....

 

Vaccines   =   GREED

 

Governments paid for the research, companies charge what ever the market will bear.

In Canada Pfizer wants major tax concessions and drug protections etc, even though their profits are obscene.

[Golfguy74]

Vaccines and DOS, hope it is at least DOS 6.1

 

Had a brother send me a conspiracy on tthe COVID-19 vaccine based mRNA. People trying to say "I lost my soul and no longer believe in God after having the vaccine"

Let the Bill Gates conspiracy fly! hehehe 

[Golfguy74]

On 1/22/2021 at 8:33 PM, Omoyeme said:

Not applicable to U.S. citizens who pay federal taxes, and/or state taxes, local county taxes, personal property taxes, estate taxes, interest tax, land/property taxes, utility taxes, etc.

 

you forgot city taxes. That was something I did not expect when I relocatedto Alabama.

[Lee49]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55797312

 

Moderna vaccine appears to work against variants

 

Early laboratory tests suggest antibodies triggered by the vaccine can recognise and fight the new variants.

More studies are needed to confirm this is true for people that have been vaccinated.

The new variants have been spreading fast in a number of nations.

They have undergone changes or mutations that mean they can infect human cells more easily than the original version of coronavirus that started the pandemic.

[hatcheckgirl]

On 1/25/2021 at 1:53 AM, .Ivan. said:

In my country they stop vacination because no more vaccines available on market. Insane.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
 

There has been an unequal start to the distribution of the vaccines - not surprising in Satan’s world of disunity and greed.  

“The onus is on companies to do the right thing and make their vaccines available to COVAX and low-income nations at affordable prices”, adds Mouser. She noted that high-income countries have made a succession of bilateral deals with vaccine manufacturers, creating a genuine risk that supplies for poorer nations could run short. “We really need to get behind multilateral efforts, and make sure that countries do not acquire more vaccines than they need”, Mouser said. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30949-X/fulltext

 

The tracker on the link above shows this quite clearly (scroll down past the USA data to the world bigger picture stats).

 

Croatia 1.6 doses per 100 people - 65K doses given

UK 11 doses per 100 people - 70 million doses given

USA 7.1 doses per 100 people - 23 million doses given

Israel 42.9 doses per 100 people - the clear winner in distribution.

[califlorican]

I hope this isn’t too confronting to ask, because I am just curious. I haven’t heard much about this, but what do those who are not pro-vaccine, for COVID or any other disease, suppose would happen without a vaccine? Same as the 1918-1919 flu? It seems that was deadlier, although obviously lack of medical care was also a big factor. In just a year or two it affected a third of the world population, killed more than 50 million people, and then “disappeared”. Except not really...just most of the population had already been exposed by then, and it was less deadly the next time it came around. I expect a similar thing would happen with this virus if no vaccine was created. 
 

 

Speaking for myself personally, would I prefer the virus to disappear and not have to get a vaccine? Sure. But not at the expense of more lives. Even though we are taking care of ourselves and not doing risky activities, I know that the longer the virus sticks around, the more likely we are to catch it, whether at the grocery store or at work. There are more contagious variants popping up, including one new homegrown here in California. So if the only alternative to a vaccine right now is to boost my immune system and hope it passes on its own in a year or two, I don’t think that’s good enough for ME personally. I don’t want to unknowingly pass it on to someone else whose immune system may not be as healthy. 

[rocket]

This virus doesn't seem to be disappearing anytime soon. Rather the opposite as it is mutating over time it is becoming more contagious, more deadly even to younger people.  Without mitigating who knows who will survive getting it once or even multiple times. IMHO, the longer a large number of people push back from getting a vaccine the greater the chance of having an unstoppable virus.

[hatcheckgirl]

Exactly, and we’ll said Lynn.  There isn’t much option to stop the spread except for vaccinations.  However, that option is not for everyone. For those few who can’t or don’t want to take the vaccine, then it is reliance on the rest of the population to provide that herd immunity that will eventually protect all.

 

And here is the real issue - it’s not whether you personally will want to take the vaccine, surprisingly. That is a personal decision. It is the fact that unless the current vaccination program exponentially speeds up, the risk is great that the virus will mutate beyond the means of this first generation of vaccines, rendering them less useful. And the vaccine must be shared with poorer countries in order to fight the virus everywhere at the same time. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense to just have some countries fully vaccinated and others languishing behind.

 

Personally, it will take a miracle for this world to get its act together.  It s sooo fractured at the moment that the divisiveness and distrust of authorities will make any solution (even non-vaccine ones) steeped in controversy.

(not open to any agreement....2 Tim 3:3)

[On the huh]

2 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Personally, it will take a miracle for this world to get its act together.  It s sooo fractured at the moment that the divisiveness and distrust of authorities will make any solution (even non-vaccine ones) steeped in controversy.

Maybe Peace and Security will help them to get together !

[Naturale]

7 hours ago, califlorican said:

I hope this isn’t too confronting to ask, because I am just curious. I haven’t heard much about this, but what do those who are not pro-vaccine, for COVID or any other disease, suppose would happen without a vaccine? Same as the 1918-1919 flu? It seems that was deadlier, although obviously lack of medical care was also a big factor. In just a year or two it affected a third of the world population, killed more than 50 million people, and then “disappeared”. Except not really...just most of the population had already been exposed by then, and it was less deadly the next time it came around. I expect a similar thing would happen with this virus if no vaccine was created. 

Vaccines don’t end pandemics.

 

The Spanish flu epidemic, which stretched over four years, didn’t end with a vaccine. (At the time most health officials had no idea even what a virus was.) Instead, that pandemic only petered out when the virus evolved from a novel killer to just another benign flu-maker.
Pandemics end when the pathogen or its environment changes or when people successfully change their behaviours or immune systems.

Andrew Nikiforuk 
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/11/26/Putting-Vaccine-Buzz-Perspective/

[hatcheckgirl]

8 minutes ago, Naturale said:

Vaccines don’t end pandemics.

There were a few generalisations in that article, as it covered a lot of issues without delving into more details. The thrust of the article Naturelle quoted was: don’t expect the vaccines to be the magic bullet, as many are thinking. Health authorities have been warning for a while that we will have to continue mask wearing, social distancing, good hygiene etc for a long while until this is getting under control. 
 

From the article: “So new high-tech or low-tech vaccines will not quickly deliver us from this messy pandemic nor return us to normal. It would be a mistake therefore to let down our guard and relax proven measures that protect lives: mask-wearing; social distancing; and rigorous testing, tracing and isolation. “
 

However, we have seen vaccination programs bring deadly diseases under control in the past, so there is hope for an end to covid too.  It is one prong in the fight against covid, but obviously with the accompanying pandemic-controlling procedures we are currently following. That’s the plan, anyway. 
 

However, with all the distress the pandemic has caused on all the world’s systems, it will probably mean an unsuccessful result even with the vaccine. Too much is broken in this world. 

[hatcheckgirl]

10 minutes ago, Mountain man said:

If that was used from the beginning, we'd have a very different scenario right now. 

I wonder about that too. So much misinformation - no way can there be a clear voice in all this, Satan’s world after all. 

[pnutts]

Nasal spray developed in Vancouver, BC seems to kill virus Fast - but has to be given Before it reaches the lungs. In trial stage 1 in UK.  Taken from my memory - opps

[Bob]

Hello my brothers and sisters!!

 

Today, I took the second and final dose of the Moderna Vaccine (the first dose was on December 29). This time, I felt a side effect. After the first dose, I felt nothing. After getting home from the clinic, about an hour after arriving home, I felt a little fatigue and tiredness. The CDC reports this as a typical side-effect, but the upside is that my body clearly recognizes the vaccine and something is happening.

 

Just a quick update for you all. 

[califlorican]

8 hours ago, Naturale said:

Vaccines don’t end pandemics.

 

The Spanish flu epidemic, which stretched over four years, didn’t end with a vaccine. (At the time most health officials had no idea even what a virus was.) Instead, that pandemic only petered out when the virus evolved from a novel killer to just another benign flu-maker.
Pandemics end when the pathogen or its environment changes or when people successfully change their behaviours or immune systems.

Andrew Nikiforuk 
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/11/26/Putting-Vaccine-Buzz-Perspective/

Yes I agree vaccines don’t end a pandemic entirely, but it definitely would appear to slow it down and protect the most vulnerable. And that’s what I’m asking: is the alternative to no vaccine just waiting for everyone to be exposed enough for it to become immune? As I understand it, the 1918-1919 flu became less deadly mostly because the majority of people had already been exposed to it. And THEN it started to mutate and become much less deadly. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by califlorican

[califlorican]

7 hours ago, Mountain man said:

So far I haven't seen any indication this mRNA gene therapy stops people from getting infected with the SARS coV-2 virus, or stops people from spreading it.  It might cut down symptoms in some people if there's no adverse reaction to the therapy itself. Even Foucci touts this. Since this has gone on longer than a year and a massive amount of the population has already had the virus, and thus have antibodies to fight it, what would be the point of them getting the jab? Restricting people from traveling because they haven't got the jab makes no sense. .  I'm seeing other treatment now that does stop it from spreading. If that was used from the beginning, we'd have a very different scenario right now. 

 

None of the current trials are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospitalisations, intensive care use, or deaths

 

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/covid-19-vaccine-trials-cannot-tell-us-if-they-will-save-lives/

I don’t know if there have been enough cases actually. 100 million have been reported having it, and even supposing there are 2-3x more than that who unknowingly had it, that’s only about 3-4% of the world population. The 1918-1919 flu affected over a third of the population (500 million people) before enough of the world had developed a natural immunity to it, so that’s still a long way to go if COVID were to follow the same course. 

[Bob]

10 minutes ago, califlorican said:

Yes I agree vaccines don’t end a pandemic entirely, but it definitely slows it down. And that’s what I’m asking: is the alternative to no vaccine just waiting for everyone to be exposed enough for it to become immune? As I understand it, the 1918-1919 flu became less deadly mostly because the majority of people had already been exposed to it, not just because the virus itself changed much. 

Well, vaccines do play a big role in ending a pandemic by breaking the chain of transmission. 
 

Basically, if you’re protected via a vaccine, you can’t become a carrier of active virus. 

[califlorican]

Just now, Bob said:

Well, vaccines do play a big role in ending a pandemic by breaking the chain of transmission. 
 

Basically, if you’re protected via a vaccine, you can’t become a carrier of active virus. 

Oh I absolutely agree with you! I edited my response above, but I believe since a lot of people can’t get vaccines, the ones who do end up protecting those most vulnerable to the virus.

[AH173]

2 minutes ago, Bob said:

Well, vaccines do play a big role in ending a pandemic by breaking the chain of transmission. 
 

Basically, if you’re protected via a vaccine, you can’t become a carrier of active virus. 

I believe this clear logic is made true with the vaccine for the polio virus decades ago.

[Bob]

10 minutes ago, califlorican said:

I don’t know if there have been enough cases actually. 100 million have been reported having it, and even supposing there are 2-3x more than that who unknowingly had it, that’s only about 3-4% of the world population. The 1918-1919 flu affected over a third of the population (500 million people) before enough of the world had developed a natural immunity to it, so that’s still a long way to go if COVID were to follow the same course. 

Yeah I mean it was quite silly for scientists to say there is no evidence the vaccine prevents the spreading of infectious covid when only 17 million are vaccinated as of this week. 
 

Of course there is no evidence because not nearly enough people are vaccinated. 

They can at least wait till the summer and then, people would need to actually interact and infect one another for them to have any data. 
 

Can’t get that data honestly, if we are masking and not interacting like normal.

 

Life needs to totally normalize for any real data to be gathered. 

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Bob

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, califlorican said:

Oh I absolutely agree with you! I edited my response above, but I believe since a lot of people can’t get vaccines, the ones who do end up protecting those most vulnerable to the virus.

Yep. That’s exactly why they want over 85 percent of people to take it.