jw broadcast JW Broadcasting—December 2024

[jwhess]

32 minutes ago, Sandy466 said:

I thought one little points that fascinated me was the mention of Brother Russell Kurzen, who was thought of as the Bethel historian. How he would use the days date to mention what had happened in the past on that particular day.

Br. Kurzen was still alive at the end of 2001 (he wrote his life story in the WT).  I wonder when he died?

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Google says he was born 22 September 1907 and passed away on 27 Sept 2004.

 

I read his life story and presumed he is of the GC. Does anyone know if this is correct?

TIA

 

 

Edited December 4 by ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone

[Dolce vita]

1 hour ago, jwhess said:

Br. Kurzen was still alive at the end of 2001 (he wrote his life story in the WT).  I wonder when he died?

September 27, 2004, Brother John.
This remains to be verified, if anyone else knows.

[Andrey]

Russell Walter Kurzen (1907 - 2004)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001804

 

Russell Walter Kurzen born 22 September 1907 in Dalton, Ohio, United States. Russell Walter Kurzen died 27 Sep 2004 at age 97 in Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States.

 

Son of John Gottlieb Godfrey Kurzen and Ida (Flory) Kurzen.

 

Father: John Gottlieb Godfrey Kurzen born 5 Jan 1878 in Frutigen, Bern, Switzerland. John was the son of Peter Kurzen and Maria Shmid. In 1887, John migrated to America with his family. John was a teacher and a minister of Jehovah's Witnesses. John was baptized in 1904 at the St. Louis, Missouri. John died 1 Jul 1963 at age 85 in Bay Shore, Islip, Suffolk, New York, United States.

 

Mother: Ida Kurzen formerly Flory born 25 Oct 1881 in Paint Township, Wayne, Ohio, United States. Ida was the daughter of Franklin Flory and Mary Wertz. Ida died 26 Feb 1963 at age 81 in Bay Shore, Islip, Suffolk, New York, United States.

 

John Gottlieb Godfrey Kurzen and Ida (Flory) Kurzen got married 14 Jun 1906 in Dalton, Sugar Creek Township, Wayne, Ohio, United States. Children: son Russell Walter Kurzen (1907 - 2004), daughter Esther, son John Gottleib Godfrey Kurzen Jr. (1913 - 1980).

 

John Gottleib Godfrey Kurzen Jr. Born 8 Mar 1913 in Dalton, Sugar Creek Township, Wayne, Ohio, United States. John volunteered at the world headquarters of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society at Brooklyn, New York. John put his technical skills to work at Bethel and collaborated with other Bethelites on such projects as producing portable phonographs. John Gottleib Godfrey Kurzen Jr. died 4 Jul 1980 at age 67 in Valley Stream, Hempstead, Nassau, New York, United States.

https://grammophon-platten.de/e107_files/public/1447317999_109_FT36134_patent_2.pdf

 

 

 

1447317999_109_FT36134_patent_2.pdf

Edited December 4 by Andrey

[jwmanubcn]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:42 AM, jwhess said:

The number of partakers continued to go down (with a few bumps) until 2003.

The lowest number I can find is 8,565 in 2003.

 

Worldwide Report 2003 Grand Totals

Branches of Jehovah’s Witnesses:                       109

Number of Lands Reporting:                                 235

Total Congregations:                                         95,919

Worldwide Memorial Attendance:             16,097,622

Memorial Partakers Worldwide:                         8,565

Peak of Publishers in Kingdom Service:    6,429,351

 

By 2009 we once again went over 10,000 partakers in the Memorial.

 

2009 Grand Totals

Branches of Jehovah’s Witnesses:                       118

Number of Lands Reporting:                                 236

Total Congregations:                                      105,298

Worldwide Memorial Attendance:              18,168,323

Memorial Partakers Worldwide:                        10,857

Peak of Publishers in Kingdom Service:      7,313,173

Worldwide Report 2005 Grand Totals

Memorial Partakers Worldwide: 8,524

[futurepromise]

On 12/3/2024 at 6:25 AM, WilliamChew said:

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[jwhess]

21 minutes ago, jwmanubcn said:

Worldwide Report 2005 Grand Totals

Memorial Partakers Worldwide: 8,524

Thanks, Manuel...Br. Paul shared his chart with us showing the 2005 report.  I only missed it by 40 publishers.  It was a last minute physical search through the old printed yearbooks.  i stopped 2 years too soon...🧡

[Keep Fighting]

On 12/2/2024 at 3:06 PM, Sofia said:

Brother Jackson s talk about the new understanding on Rev. 17:17 is the last talk 🙏🫶🥰

we have a lot to discuss with everyone in the congregation now 😘

So Dear brothers and sister can we discuss this talk, now this tread become about, Generation and parttakers.

 

Can anyone say it simplyfied, what is the new clearified belive?

I get a little bit confused when we have so many topics «jumping» 

Please help us who dont have English as our daily langue. ☺️

[jwhess]

15 minutes ago, Keep Fighting said:

So Dear brothers and sister can we discuss this talk, now this tread become about, Generation and parttakers.

 

Can anyone say it simplyfied, what is the new clearified belive?

I get a little bit confused when we have so many topics «jumping» 

Please help us who dont have English as our daily langue. ☺️

We were reminded that for many years we have explained this scripture (Rev 17:17) as indicating that at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, Jehovah would put the thought of destroying false religion or Babylon the Great into the mind of those leaders and members of the United Nations.

 

But that is not what that scriptures says.  It says that jehovah would put into thier minds the need togive allof their power and authority to the UN.  

 

So it is not the destruction of BTG that indicates that the GT has begun.  It is the momentous time when the UN becomes all powerful or one world government that would be the key.

[Doug]

24 minutes ago, jwhess said:

 

So it is not the destruction of BTG that indicates that the GT has begun.  It is the momentous time when the UN becomes all powerful or one world government that would be the key.

 

And this may put 1 Thess 5:3 in a secondary position ?  Possible.  His talk didn't say that, nor did it make any reference to 1 Thess / P&S.

He emphasized that things can happen suddenly.  So, we don't want to think we will observe the nation gradually turning their authority over to the UN.  Rather, it can be sudden, (and maybe concurrent with P&S.  But, he didn't say that).

[jwhess]

I was reminding myself as to why we missed such an obvious truth.  Then I remembered the other verses in Rev 17.

 

Rev 17:12-18...“12 The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.” 15 He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

 

It was verse 16 that threw us off. 

 

John goes from talking about the 'ten horns ' (kings), getting power and then submitting to the UN and their all battling with the Lamb Jesus and his army.  That takes care of verses 12-14.

Then he shifts gears and in verse 15 mentions the Great Harlot. It is followed by one verse that describes the destruction of BTG.  That changes the subject, in verses 15-16.

Then John goes back to the political leaders and their desire to give the power and authority to the UN.  THIS is the one thought Jehovah had given them. So ends verse 17 (agreeing with verse 13).

But it ends with an after-thought in verse 18 giving identification of BTG.

 

It was the 'bookends' verses that threw us off.  Verse 15 identifies the Harlot, verse 16 describes the Harlot being destroyed by the UN and verse 18 reminds us of who she was.

 

But the verse 17 in the middle is tied with the other two and we missed that.  So it wasn't like we couldn't read the Bible, we just need to be picky about the order of verses.  Of course, the fact that it actually 'says' what God's one thought was is a little embarassing.  We allowed a verse to misdirect our attention.  We have hated BTG for so long we 'knew' it had to be God's 'one thought'...didn't it?

Edited December 5 by jwhess

[jwhess]

50 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

And this may put 1 Thess 5:3 in a secondary position ?  Possible.  His talk didn't say that, nor did it make any reference to 1 Thess / P&S.

He emphasized that things can happen suddenly.  So, we don't want to think we will observe the nation gradually turning their authority over to the UN.  Rather, it can be sudden, (and maybe concurrent with P&S.  But, he didn't say that).

The change definitely has a long reach.  I wonder how much of our 'related' statements will need subtle (or not so subtle) changes, modifications, adjustments or clarification.  How about our pictures?  The scenes of UN troops destroying churches might survive but the chapters and the titles of the pictures might have to change.

 

Only a year ago our updated Pure Worship book said...

 

Pure Worship

Chapter 15, paragraph 19, 21

 

19…Similarly, the world empire of false religion is condemned for committing such immorality with “the kings of the earth.” And from whom does her punishment come? We read that these political elements “will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire.” Why will the governments of this world make such a surprising move? Because God will “put it into their hearts to carry out his thought.”—Rev. 17:1-3, 15-17.

 

21. When the governments of this world turn against Babylon the Great, they will be carrying out an execution of God’s judgment, a great event in the outworking of Jehovah’s purpose. This will mark the beginning of the great tribulation, a time of unprecedented turmoil. (Matt. 24:21) The climax of that tribulation will be Armageddon, Jehovah’s war against this wicked system of things. (Rev. 16:14, 16)

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

I have the talk on '"What is Religion's Future?". It's a verse by verse discussion on Rev 17.

It now reflects the new thought. While the end result is the devastation of False religion, it is now a two-step action.

However, I will watch my wording so as not to introduce thoughts that (as yet) have not been clarified.

In my AM notes, I have reference to this action (giving the UN the power) to it becoming an "8th King". But I did not notice this in the Dec release.

Did anyone else remember the reference to the 8th king?

[I'm of to check the transcript...]

Edited December 5 by ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone

[jwhess]

How far back does our idea of the GT begining with the destruction of BTG?  I found a 1953 Watchtower.

 

*** w53 9/15 p. 564 par. 28 Flight to Safety with the New World Society ***

The sign of the nearer approach of the battle of Armageddon is now before our eyes. When this adulterous, religio-political combine finally cracks up and the symbolic beast and its ten horns turn against the harlot system of organized religion it will denote that the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” has begun by which he will execute all the foes of his Messianic kingdom. That war will end when Jesus Christ the King together with his angel executioners will destroy all the “disgusting thing” and all other elements of this old world that line up in opposition to his rule.

[futurepromise]

2 hours ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

I have the talk on '"What is Religion's Future?". It's a verse by verse discussion on Rev 17.

It now reflects the new thought. 

Can you tell me how I can download the talk?

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

5 minutes ago, futurepromise said:

Can you tell me how I can download the talk?

Sorry. You are unable to. I have not recorded it.

However, check with you local Talk Coordinator. He can arrange a local speaker for you congregation. Lol

[futurepromise]

2 hours ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

Sorry

Thanks for replying.

[Abigail]

12 hours ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

I have the talk on '"What is Religion's Future?". It's a verse by verse discussion on Rev 17.

It now reflects the new thought. While the end result is the devastation of False religion, it is now a two-step action.

However, I will watch my wording so as not to introduce thoughts that (as yet) have not been clarified.

In my AM notes, I have reference to this action (giving the UN the power) to it becoming an "8th King". But I did not notice this in the Dec release.

Did anyone else remember the reference to the 8th king?

[I'm of to check the transcript...]

Has the talk outline been updated already!!

[Mike047]

We thought we saw Anthony Morris in the audience, during the AGM part I presentation. What do you think?

 

 

[Tortuga]

I really enjoyed the final part of Brother Jacksons talk. It's a good reminder that we shouldn't be looking too intently at what the governments are doing or what we expect them to do. We shouldn't mentally push Jehovah's timeline forward or backwards. 

 

But now we’re back to our subject again, you see, gradually things happen. So we might say, ‘Well, yes, gradually, I see Babylon the Great is losing influence in some places —maybe not yet—’ But don’t expect that you’ll see governments gradually wanting to give over power. They don’t want to do that. It takes an act of God! Jehovah will “put it into their hearts.” This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the great tribulation will start —a sudden change, not something that happens gradually. 
So, what have we learned in our discussion? Well, yes, some things change gradually. But, brothers and sisters, remember there are some sudden things that are about to occur. Let’s remember the two things as a reminder. 
First of all, the remaining anointed ones will suddenly be taken to heaven while they are still very active. Matt 24:31
The second one, Jehovah will suddenly move the nations to give their political power to the United Nations.  Rev 17:12,13,17
So, what’s the takeaway? Don’t be complacent. Don’t think, ‘Oh, this is going to gradually change.’ No, some things won’t gradually change. They will occur suddenly as acts of God! So be ready, and don’t be surprised by sudden change! 
 

Edited December 5 by Tortuga

[Patience87]

13 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I really enjoyed the final part of Brother Jacksons talk. It's a good reminder that we shouldn't be looking too intently at what the governments are doing or what we expect them to do. We shouldn't mentally push Jehovah's timeline forward or backwards. 

 

But now we’re back to our subject again, you see, gradually things happen. So we might say, ‘Well, yes, gradually, I see Babylon the Great is losing influence in some places —maybe not yet—’ But don’t expect that you’ll see governments gradually wanting to give over power. They don’t want to do that. It takes an act of God! Jehovah will “put it into their hearts.” This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the great tribulation will start —a sudden change, not something that happens gradually. 
So, what have we learned in our discussion? Well, yes, some things change gradually. But, brothers and sisters, remember there are some sudden things that are about to occur. Let’s remember the two things as a reminder. 
First of all, the remaining anointed ones will suddenly be taken to heaven while they are still very active. Matt 24:31
The second one, Jehovah will suddenly move the nations to give their political power to the United Nations.  Rev 17:12,13,17
So, what’s the takeaway? Don’t be complacent. Don’t think, ‘Oh, this is going to gradually change.’ No, some things won’t gradually change. They will occur suddenly as acts of God! So be ready, and don’t be surprised by sudden change! 
 

I too enjoyed Brother Jackson's talk. Sometimes it has seemed like we are on the slow boat to the GT. So I'm glad that I can quit looking for signs as if the GT is going to still take time as it doesn't seem like right now that any nation can agree on anything much less unitedly give their power to the UN. It is reassuring to me that it most likely will happen at a time that isn't obvious because it will be Jehovah's hand not the nations. This system is exhausting and some days I'm just over it. So good reminder that we shouldn't be complacent but keep busy in serving Jehovah. 

[computerwiz]

1 hour ago, Mike047 said:

We thought we saw Anthony Morris in the audience, during the AGM part I presentation. What do you think?

 

 

 

I don't think so...  Cleared it up as best I could.

 

[Sheep]

Just now, computerwiz said:

I don't think so...

Me neither... That's not him at all.

[futurepromise]

[Tortuga]

28 minutes ago, futurepromise said:

The tribulation started on 11/1/24?