Aliens

[LeolaRootStew]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

 

I want to believe, too.  However, reasoning on the scriptures indicates otherwise.

 

It's the issue of universal sovereignty that provides the conclusion that, currently, humans are the highest form of physical creation in this or any other galaxy. 

 

We are in this miserable state of imperfection in order for us to prove Satan a liar.  If there were other intelligent creatures in the physical universe, they would have been created perfect.  Their perfect devotion to Jehovah would show that Jehovah's physical creation is not flawed and that intelligent physical creatures with free will would serve Jehovah out of love. Their faithful example would prove Satan a liar.  There would be no reason, no need to subject all humanity to 6,000+ years of suffering, pain, misery, and death. The 3 rebels in Eden would have been destroyed on the spot. 

 

The fact that we are Witnesses in this trial of universal sovereignty is indicated by the facts that the angels are intently watching how all this plays out, the rebellious spirit creatures in Noah's day chose humanity to live among, Satan tested humanity, and that 144,000 humans are (going to be) granted immortality, will sit on thrones and judge not only humans, but even angels. These anointed will live in heaven forever. All these factors added together indicate that this whole situation involving our salvation is not some minor event playing out on 1 planet while the rest of the physical universe is in harmony with Jehovah. No, what is happening here is the most important event in the physical universe. 

 

Now, after all this is settled, Satan is destroyed, and we all become children of God in the complete sense, then who knows? It's a big universe. Jehovah will want to do something on the 8th day. 

 

What about the issue of Jehovah's purpose going unfulfilled if Adam and Eve don't have children to spread Paradise? And those children need to be redeemed from sin.

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

What about the issue of Jehovah's purpose going unfulfilled if Adam and Eve don't have children to spread Paradise? And those children need to be redeemed from sin.

 

Guess that depends on whether or not you feel destroying Adam and Eve and starting with a new pair of humans violates that purpose. 

 

Or, perhaps Jehovah could have preserved their lives long enough to allow them to have children and he could/would shield such children from the effects of sin the way he did Jesus. 

 

*** g90 4/8 pp. 10-11 Extraterrestrials—Finding the Answer ***
If God did create such beings, he did so before he created Adam and Eve. Such beings either remained faithful to their Creator, or like Adam and Eve, they sinned and fell into imperfection.

 

But if they became imperfect, they needed a redeemer. As one essayist put it: “One has this dreadful thought that on Friday [the day Jesus Christ was executed], every Friday, somewhere in the universe Jesus is being hanged high for someone’s sins.” But that is not Scriptural. The Bible tells us that Jesus “died with reference to sin once for all time.”—Romans 6:10.

 

What if these beings had remained perfect? Well, when Adam and Eve sinned, they were, in effect, questioning God’s right to rule over a world of intelligent physical beings. If another planet existed at that time, a world full of intelligent physical beings who were living harmoniously and loyally under God’s rule, would they not have been called in as witnesses to testify that God’s rule does indeed work? This conclusion seems inescapable, since he has already used even imperfect humans as witnesses in his behalf on that very issue.—Isaiah 43:10.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=101990244&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=14

[LeolaRootStew]

27 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

Guess that depends on whether or not you feel destroying Adam and Eve and starting with a new pair of humans violates that purpose. 

 

Or, perhaps Jehovah could have preserved their lives long enough to allow them to have children and he could/would shield such children from the effects of sin the way he did Jesus. 

 

*** g90 4/8 pp. 10-11 Extraterrestrials—Finding the Answer ***
If God did create such beings, he did so before he created Adam and Eve. Such beings either remained faithful to their Creator, or like Adam and Eve, they sinned and fell into imperfection.

 

But if they became imperfect, they needed a redeemer. As one essayist put it: “One has this dreadful thought that on Friday [the day Jesus Christ was executed], every Friday, somewhere in the universe Jesus is being hanged high for someone’s sins.” But that is not Scriptural. The Bible tells us that Jesus “died with reference to sin once for all time.”—Romans 6:10.

 

What if these beings had remained perfect? Well, when Adam and Eve sinned, they were, in effect, questioning God’s right to rule over a world of intelligent physical beings. If another planet existed at that time, a world full of intelligent physical beings who were living harmoniously and loyally under God’s rule, would they not have been called in as witnesses to testify that God’s rule does indeed work? This conclusion seems inescapable, since he has already used even imperfect humans as witnesses in his behalf on that very issue.—Isaiah 43:10.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=101990244&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=14

 

I don't think that article addresses the issue. Even if there were a planet out there of perfect, loyal people, that wouldn't prove that God's rule is better than human rule. The only way to do that is what God did already - give us a chance to prove it. 

 

Second point - would that planet of faithful people be human or something else? Because the faithfulness of some of the angels doesn't prove anything either. Satan didn't need 100% of humans to turn away from Jehovah for the court case to begin - it just takes one to pose the question: whose rule is best?

 

And I don't see how Jehovah could forgive the debt of sin if it wasn't paid by a ransom. I don't think he'd have a basis to shield Adam and Eve's children from their imperfection, even if the existence of faithful ones somehow proved Jehovah was sovereign.

[Jake]

I still believe in other life out there. Again, the bible only applies to humans. If there is a planet out there inhabited by intelligent life (let's just say they're called "Galaxians"). Maybe the Galaxians were loyal in their temptation, so they don't need a ransom and a bible like ours. Once you drag humans into the argument, it becomes invalid because, of course the bible is for humans. But as for other life, there is no definitive yes or no.

[Tortuga]

Once Jehovah created the earth and  mankind and said it was "good", doesn't that mean his creation was perfect? Doesn't it mean that the earth and everything on it was his best creation? Would life on other planets also be called 'good'? Are there variations of "good"?

 

I like to think that the physical life he created on the earth is unique and there isn't any other life. His creation was 'good' not just 'good enough'.

[Dustparticle]

24 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Once Jehovah created the earth and  mankind and said it was "good", doesn't that mean his creation was perfect? Doesn't it mean that the earth and everything on it was his best creation? Would life on other planets also be called 'good'? Are there variations of "good"?

 

I like to think that the physical life he created on the earth is unique and there isn't any other life. His creation was 'good' not just 'good enough'.

Would Jehovah call this good? 
 

https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_(Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind)?file=Cropped_image_of_gray_aliens.png

[Tortuga]

39 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

Would Jehovah call this good? 
 

https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_(Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind)?file=Cropped_image_of_gray_aliens.png

If he already created intelligent physical life and called it 'good' wouldn't that be his best? Why would he created a different intelligent physical life and call it 'good' also? 

[Tortuga]

2 hours ago, Jake said:

Galaxians were loyal in their temptation, so they don't need a ransom and a bible like ours.

I don't understand the logic. If they were tempted, wouldn't that have settled the universal issue? Wouldn't it had already proven Jehovah is right? The second Satan defied Jehovah, wouldn't Jehovah have rightly destroyed him?

Edited 1 hour ago by Tortuga

[Dustparticle]

11 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

If he already created intelligent physical life and called it 'good' wouldn't that be his best? Why would he created a different intelligent physical life and call it 'good' also? 

As far as we know he has not.