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Yes. Emphasis on the word "prove". Humans could say they don't think Satan would rule as well as Jehovah, and have a variety of reasons, but without a visible alternative to point to, it's just a theory. If there were sufficient proof in the Garden of Eden that Jehovah's rule is best, we wouldn't have needed thousands of years to show it. "I mean, if the only way to prove water is healthier than soda is to allow a group of people to drink soda and develop health problems, then in order to prove water is healthier is that these groups of people must drink soda. No amount of study, research, or meditation will prove soda is unhealthy." 1) How could Adam prove that soda is bad for you? Where would he do this research? What would he meditate on? 2) Unlike the health effects of soda, universal sovereignty can't be proven in a laboratory. I don't know how Jehovah could prove his rulership is best without someone attempting another way. Can you give me an example of how this could be proven if Satan's temptation had failed? "So if drinking soda is equal to sin and rebellion, then Adam's sin and rebellion was inevitable. It had to happen. Satan could never be proved a liar." That does not follow. Not having the ability to prove someone is lying does not obligate you to do as they say. They could have refused his offer without providing any proof at all. "To take this a step further and apply it to multiple different physical intelligences (let's call them Martians), then they all must go through this process. This would be like each separate group of humans must perform their own soda drinking so that each group can prove soda is unhealthy for everyone. The accusation could be raised that soda drinking is only unhealthy for Polynesians or white people. Brown or tan skinned people or people who live in Scandinavia can drink soda and be just fine. One test cannot apply to all types of people and the only way to test the situation is through deliberate action." Jehovah told Adam and Eve to not eat from the tree. He did not say it only applied to certain ethnicities, so everyone who would later be born would have the same direction. In order for anyone to reason as you suggest, they must start with the premise that Jehovah lied. If they are doing that, they are siding with Satan, not conducting some neutral study on the effects of soda. To test the soda is to call Jehovah a liar. Any other species that might exist in the universe would be calling Jehovah a liar if they drank the soda. And again, we are not obligated to "prove" that soda is unhealthy. Jehovah said don't eat the fruit; he did not say we need to prove that it's a bad idea to eat the fruit. "The only way to prove Jehovah's way of rulership is the best way of rulership is to go through sin, imperfection and death." Yes, otherwise it would just be belief. Jehovah is the only one who understood without proof that his rulership is best. "And this only proves Jehovah's way of ruling is best only for humans. The Martians or Vulcans, or Wookies might actually be better off without Jehovah's rule. Each one of those separate physical intelligence must go through this same process because that's the only way. It's not possible to have one case study with one species apply to all physical creation." In this scenario, Jehovah has stated that his rule is best for all intelligent Creation. By proving Satan a liar for human rulership it would prove Satan couldn't be trusted at all and Jehovah can. Jehovah would not need to prove himself again. "That's how I understand your point of view. Is that correct?" Nope

Perhaps I do not understand. Based on your illustration, it sounds like humans (or any physical intelligence) must sin or needed to sin in order to prove Satan's accusation false. I mean, if the only way to prove water is healthier than soda is to allow a group of people to drink soda and develop health problems, then in order to prove water is healthier is that these groups of people must drink soda. No amount of study, research, or meditation will prove soda is unhealthy. So if drinking soda is equal to sin and rebellion, then Adam's sin and rebellion was inevitable. It had to happen. Satan could never be proved a liar. To take this a step further and apply it to multiple different physical intelligences (let's call them Martians), then they all must go through this process. This would be like each separate group of humans must perform their own soda drinking so that each group can prove soda is unhealthy for everyone. The accusation could be raised that soda drinking is only unhealthy for Polynesians or white people. Brown or tan skinned people or people who live in Scandinavia can drink soda and be just fine. One test cannot apply to all types of people and the only way to test the situation is through deliberate action. The only way to prove Jehovah's way of rulership is the best way of rulership is to go through sin, imperfection and death. And this only proves Jehovah's way of ruling is best only for humans. The Martians or Vulcans, or Wookies might actually be better off without Jehovah's rule. Each one of those separate physical intelligence must go through this same process because that's the only way. It's not possible to have one case study with one species apply to all physical creation. That's how I understand your point of view. Is that correct? What am I missing?

Until it was proven one way or the other.

I see what you are saying. If Adam and Eve didn't eat the fruit, how many times do you think Jehovah would allow Satan or any other creature raise the same issue and temptation?

I just realized it also takes you to the Bible Teach book, not Enjoy Life Forever. Does AI really make random ads? What would it gain by linking to a page that makes no money?

It is probably some AI bot that thought "All" is plural. Anyway, I went back and refreshed my starting page and that ad is gone.

Could this be posted by someone else? I only ask because it should say "All information is free" or something to that effect. I don't think that's a grammar mistake Bethel would make. Regardless, that's kind of cool.

Just a clarification. Humans in the physical realm will never have immortality. That is reserved only for those human anointed sons of God. They receive immortality upon their resurrection to heaven.

There is a lot of math and science "stuff" all the way down to how the heavier elements are made that assists in understanding why the universe is so large to make our habitat planet with life and all those elements. I imagine Jehovah explaining all that to us one day. And if He wanted you and me to know about other life out there (other than in the spirit real), He would have written it down in the book that explains everything else he wanted me and you to know. Apparently, we don't need to know.

I understood your premise, I just don't think it applies. If another species had chosen their version of not eating the fruit when tempted by Satan, that wouldn't have answered who had the right to rule. Unless Satan had been allowed to rule to prove his point about sovereignty, the preference of whomever he tempted would not prove one way or another whose rule is best, just whose rule is preferred. It would be like someone said soda is better than water, but you refused to try the soda at all. That doesn't prove that water is better and it would be a poor basis to ban soda across the universe. If, however, people drank soda and decades later they were all fat it would be proven to be worse than water and could rightly be banned. Do you see what I mean? Until it is tested, it's just a preference. Once it is tested, it never needs to be retested. If another planet of people had refused Satan's temptation, it wouldn't have proven any other point than that they preferred Jehovah's rule, and it would have no effect on us.

I don't know if this is connected, but I saw this in my feed at work for the first time: It really does takes you to our site - Why Does God Allow Suffering?—The Reason Why Suffering Began | Bible Teach That is pretty cool!!!

Since 1914, Satan was cast out of heaven and confined to the vicinity of the earth. This is where he is misleading and waging war, not somewhere else in the universe. Jehovah has thrown him into Tartarus and he will have his final chance to prove his point, once and for all, at the end of the 1,000 years. He and all those who choose to side with him, both spirit and human, will be thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, never to disturb the peace that will reign throughout the universe forever. His destruction has already been foretold, so there is no possibility of his being given a second chance somewhere else. The issue of universal sovereignty will have been settled once and for all, without the need to give him or any other rebel(s) an opportunity to prove their point. It will set a precedent in the universal court of justice.

I was replying to a comment about an intelligent race on another planet that had been tested. The issue raised by Satan is whether or not a human creation with free will would choose to serve Jehovah. If Jehovah had already created a race of perfect intelligent creatures on a different planet and gave them free will and they proved their loyalty to Jehovah through a similar challenge, then the issue would already be settled. When Satan raised the challenge on earth, Jehovah would have dismissed the challenge, the same way he will in the future. So if there are perfect intelligent creatures on another planet, they obviously were not tested as the comment I was replying to stated. That's why I didn't understand the logic of the comment.

NWT Isa. 45:18 For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. Contemporary English Version The LORD alone is God! He created the heavens and made a world where people can live, instead of creating an empty desert. The LORD alone is God; there are no others. Good News Translation The LORD created the heavens--he is the one who is God! He formed and made the earth--he made it firm and lasting. He did not make it a desolate waste, but a place for people to live. It is he who says, "I am the LORD, and there is no other god. Smith's Literal Translation For thus said Jehovah creating the heavens, He the God forming the earth, and he made it; he prepared it, be created it not in vain, he formed it to be dwelt in: I Jehovah and none besides. New American Bible For thus says the LORD, The creator of the heavens, who is God, The designer and maker of the earth who established it, Not as an empty waste did he create it, but designing it to be lived in: I am the LORD, and there is no other. Psalm 115:16 “As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.” [Not earth plus another planet…yet]. Although God created the earth first, He created the earth for humans not humans for the earth. That shows a purpose in the creation of the planet earth AND especially humans. What is the purpose of trillions of galaxies and planets in the physical realm of existence well beyond our vision to appreciate? Only humans in the physical realm will be able to eventually achieve immortality and everlasting life. Therefore, we will travel beyond our tiny planet someday. Eternity is a long time. And likely there is life but not intelligent life with free will of choice. The free will of choice to choose to worship the creator must exist on only one planet thus far because of the element of choice and the issue of obedience and disobedience of intelligent creation. The issue must be settled before we can settle other planets, or other intelligent life may be created elsewhere someday.

Tuesday, June 23 Let your words always be gracious.—Col. 4:6. If you would like to begin a courtship with someone, you could arrange to have a conversation with that person, either in a public setting or by telephone. Clearly express your intentions. (1 Cor. 14:9) If needed, give the person time to think about how to respond. (Prov. 15:28) And if the person is not interested in pursuing a relationship, respect his feelings. What if someone expresses interest in you? It likely took courage for that person to approach you, so be kind and respectful. If you need time to consider whether you agree to start a courtship, say so. However, try to provide a response as soon as possible. (Prov. 13:12) If you are not interested, express that fact kindly and clearly. If you are interested, discuss your feelings and expectations regarding courtship. Your expectations may differ from the other person’s. w24.05 23-24 ¶12-13

Justinah, your points sound logical. For me the most convincing part of the argument for no other intelligent life is what if one, or several, of those other intelligent races sinned like Adam and Eve? Would Jesus have to be born as one of them and die for their sins? That sounds very strange.

Why would that prove anything? Satan tacitly claimed that rulership without God would be preferable. Referencing a galactic group of people who benefit from God's rule would not contradict his point - only allowing Satan a chance to rule would prove that it can't be done better. In addition, the faithfulness of a different species would not prove that humans have the ability to stay faithful anymore than the existence of faithful angels proves that humans have the ability to remain faithful. Only Jesus remaining faithful as a human could prove that. Is there something I'm missing?

Digital kitchen scales. For the '5-of-each' packs above, we physically counted out 5s, using a lot of table/counter top space to collate the packs. It was a 'one-time-job' so wasn't really that a big deal. For the rest, we counted out 50, weighed them (44 or 45 grams), then just weighed the rest out. They are packed in 400s, so that's 8 x 50. Similar to the '5-of-each' packs, we wrapped and labelled each set of 50, both to keep them in good condition, and to help with inventory and stock control

So, with five of each tract given out to each publisher and 10 of each to pioneers, we where left with around half of the tracts still in stock We made nine little open top cardboard boxes which could contain each tract, and put them out on the literature desk, each with a limited number of tracts in each - and a note to state 'limited quantity, please only take what you need for this week and, if needed, collect more next week'. The boxes where regularly refilled as needed each congregation/ministry meeting. I do like the sort of display stand that @MJ1 is using. I don't think we'd want to put so many of each tract out at once, at least not at the moment, when they are still brand 'new'. How have you got on with this display stand? How have the tracts managed with being held vertical, especially when some are taken, and there are fewer to stand-up together? Obviously we are now running out of each of the tracts, while we await our order/s to arrive from Bethel. In terms of how many to re-order, we looked at how popular each tract was in terms of how many where left after the first one went 'out-of-stock': How Will God’s Kingdom Solve Our Problems? God’s Kingdom 100% Is Living Without Pain or Sadness Possible? Suffering 82% Does Jesus’ Advice Work Today? Jesus 71% Can We Enjoy Life Forever? Future 70% Who Is the True God? God 62% Do All Religions Please God? Religion 61% Is Anyone Listening to Our Prayers? Prayer 56% How Can You Have a Happy Family? Family 56% Will You Ever See Your Loved Ones Who Have Died? Death 53% The God's Kingdom tract was the first to go (ie 100% popular), followed by Suffering (82% popular), then Jesus (71% popular), etc, etc.... I think ordering is in quantities of 400, so we simply ordered more of the top tracts than the bottom tracts 🤷‍♂️

To much surprise, just six weeks after the annual meeting - on 19 November 2025 - our congregation received a consignment of ALL nine tracts. Now that we had the actual physical tracts we could - at last - replace our home-printed versions! We laminated each tract, mounted them onto black card, labelled each one with 'The Truth', and again pinned them up on the notice board surrounding Appendix A of the Love People brochure. But this time because we labelled them, and only did the front, we went 'minimal' with out using arrows, which IMHO looks cleaner and neater. We received an equal amount of each tract, equivalent to around 12 of each tract for each publisher/pioneer. The directions given where: "ensure that the tracts are evenly distributed so that each publisher receives a supply." We made up packs of five-of-each tract, so 45 tracts in total (5 x 9 = 45) which we gave out from that weekend onwards to every single publisher on our congregation list, and pioneers got TWO packs each Doing packs of 45 tracts' meant they where more robust as publishers took them. For those not in-person we upcycled the old cellophane trolley covers we used for the old pocket books, and the tracts fitted well in them and kept them in good condition. Everybody was really pleased to get them, and 45 too! Actually some where a bit hesitant to be given so many, but we just said everybody was getting the same, and they could share them with other publishers if they wanted, so they where happy. Anyway, a very positive response from the congregation. Remember this all happened - they all got physical copies of the tracts to use in the ministry - around SIX WEEKS BEFORE they could actually watch the annual meeting, which was only released on Monday 5 January, BUT they saw from our KH notice board how the tracts related to the Love People brochure (and we had a run of publishers and pioneers wanting a physical copy of the brochure, because of the connection!)

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Firstly remember around 97% of JWs where NOT able to watch the annual meeting on 4/5 October 2026. And the announcement made to congregations in the week afterwards was extremely light on information, it simply said: Nine New Tracts: At the annual meeting on October 4, 2025, nine new tracts were released. These tracts will be available in digital format as soon as they are released on jw.org in your language. Printed copies of each new tract will be distributed progressively to congregations worldwide over the next year or so. NOTE absolutely NO mention of Appendix A in the Love People, Make Disciples brochure. Nobody knew the connection. Even for those who had had the privilege to actually watch the annual meeting that connection was often somewhat overshadowed by the experience / account of finding printing machines at an exhibition in Germany.... and it was that experience that IMHO seemed to became the main talking point.... well that, and the need for new printing machines because of the .... rounded corners !! But because of following the 2025 annual meeting thread on this website, I did know the connection!.... Getting ready for the midweek meeting announcement, we printed out actual size colour copies of both the front cover of the new book, and both sides of each new tract, so they could be pinned onto the KH notice board for everyone to see them. Yes, after all the talk of 'rounded corners', we where obviously expecting 'round' corners 🤣 For the new tracts, we pinned the mounted copies on the notice board SURROUNDING an open copy of the Love People brochure open to Appendix A, also pinned to notice board, with arrows pointing from each tract to the Truth We Love to Teach..... Thus our notice board looked something like this: Due to the lack of information in the announcement .... it was fascinating to see the revelatory lightbulb moment that many publishers had when they realised: 'Oh! Nine tracts because......' Yes, they physically saw the connection in front of their eyes. They also saw how big, or actually how compact, the new tracts where too This seemed to be the most obvious thing to do 🤷‍♂️

I get where you’re coming from, but I don't see it that way at all. I'm not saying the slave will do this, but if they choose to, I think it could turn out very positive. I think a great opportunity could be missed if it's not announced. Could we be ridiculed if it doesn't happen soon afterward? Most likely. But think about how many people will have heard about the destruction of false religion before it began, and will be in a position to act accordingly. Also, after hearing an explanation of Revelation 17:17, and seeing how all the nations have given their power to the UN, which may already seem supernatural to some, some may put some faith in Jehovah’s word before the destruction. Lately, I have been thinking about how cunning satan is with this rapture teaching. It's obvious demons inspired it when you read how scholars and historians trace its origins to a series of visions by a 15-year-old girl. But what's so cunning about it is that, as you said, those who believe in it will conclude that the tribulation hasn't started because they are still on earth. But if they want to believe teachings inspired by demons, that's on them. All we can do is preach the truth. People who react that way usually aren't honest-hearted anyway. I think about 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, where it says that Jehovah allows “a deceptive influence to mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie.” We have no control over how people react. What's more important is getting the warning out to honest-hearted people so that they can have an opportunity to act accordingly. Even if the slave didn't publicly announce it to the world via social media or our website, but announced it to the congregations, would we not, in turn, be told to warn those not yet serving Jehovah? So we’d be ridiculed either way. At that pivotal time in history, I don't see us not being on fire and warning as many as we can. We can't tailor such an important message around false religious beliefs and people's sensibilities. Ridicule is inevitable. We just have to be courageous, yet discreet, and respectful.