Public-Radio Interview — “A Stunning Shift in World Power”
HOST:
Good evening. I'm Daniel Brooks. Tonight, we're following what may be the most extraordinary development in international politics in generations. Governments around the world have announced an unprecedented decision: They are transferring significant power and authority to the United Nations.
The announcement came with startling speed. Leaders who, only hours ago, appeared divided on fundamental questions of national sovereignty are now speaking with remarkable unity.
To help us understand what we're witnessing, we're joined by Dr. Elena Marovic, former senior diplomat and widely respected scholar of international affairs. Dr. Marovic, thank you for being with us.
DR. MAROVIC:
Thank you. It's good to be here.
HOST:
Let me begin with the obvious question. What happened?
DR. MAROVIC:
That's precisely the question governments, intelligence agencies, and ordinary citizens are asking tonight. The speed is extraordinary. We have seen international agreements before, but this is fundamentally different. Governments appear to be acting almost simultaneously, surrendering a degree of authority that they have historically guarded very carefully.
HOST:
So you're saying this isn't simply another international treaty?
DR. MAROVIC:
No. A treaty normally involves months or years of negotiation. There are disagreements, amendments, parliamentary debates, objections from opposition parties. This doesn't look like that.
What we're seeing is remarkably sudden. Governments that have disagreed on virtually everything are now saying, in effect, "We will act together."
HOST:
And the United Nations is suddenly at the center of this?
DR. MAROVIC:
Yes. The United Nations has existed for decades, but its role has traditionally depended on the willingness of individual nations to cooperate. Tonight, we're seeing something fundamentally different: Nations appear willing to place an extraordinary measure of their political authority behind the organization.
HOST:
Some leaders are calling this the beginning of a new era of global cooperation. Do you think that's an exaggeration?
DR. MAROVIC:
From a conventional political perspective, perhaps. But I would be careful about making predictions tonight. We're witnessing something so unusual that our normal political models may not adequately explain it.
HOST:
What would you say to people watching this who are frightened?
DR. MAROVIC:
I would say that uncertainty is understandable. When political structures change this quickly, people naturally wonder what happens next. The important thing is to distinguish between what we know and what we don't know.
HOST:
And what don't we know?
DR. MAROVIC:
We don't know the full consequences of this decision. We don't know how individual governments will implement it. And we certainly don't know where this leads politically.
HOST:
There's another remarkable development tonight. Several governments that have historically maintained close relationships with major religious institutions are now announcing measures against religious organizations.
DR. MAROVIC:
Yes. That may ultimately prove to be one of the most consequential aspects of what we're seeing.
HOST:
Why?
DR. MAROVIC:
Because governments have traditionally viewed religion as an important social and political force. If governments suddenly begin withdrawing their support from religious institutions on a global scale, that would represent a profound transformation.
HOST:
So you're suggesting that tonight's announcement may be only the beginning?
DR. MAROVIC:
I think everyone should recognize that possibility. We have entered unfamiliar territory.
HOST:
Dr. Elena Marovic, former diplomat and international-affairs scholar, joining us tonight.
One final question. After watching governments around the world make a decision of this magnitude with such extraordinary speed, what do you think historians will say about this night?
DR. MAROVIC:
They may say that this was the night the international system changed before the world fully understood that it was changing.
HOST:
Dr. Marovic, thank you.
DR. MAROVIC:
Thank you.
HOST:
And we'll continue following this developing story.