The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[daydream]

I know hand sanitizers can adversely affect one's health but WHO some time ago issued these instructions on how to use it properly. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/using-hand-sanitizer-wrong-mistakes_l_5f0cb639c5b6af83647d4c11 July 15

You May Be Using Hand Sanitizer All Wrong

 

The CDC says you should rub your hands together for about 20 seconds until they feel dry.

If you don’t wait for that, you can “essentially end up wiping it off on something, and then it’s not really doing its job,” Dr. Zeke J. McKinney, the primary occupational and environmental medicine provider at Minnesota’s HealthPartners Riverway Clinic said. The time that it’s sitting on your hands is when it’s working to inactivate certain bacteria and viruses, he added.

[humble bumble bee]

BBC: Tuna's pandemic popularity has suppliers struggling

Getty ImagesCopyright: Getty Images

As Americans have stocked up on canned tuna amid the Covid-19 pandemic, producers are saying it's becoming difficult to keep up with the demand.

sorry No this is not where I got my username from : ) Didn't know this make existed

[Tortuga]

For several weeks my wife and I have been able to sit in on zoom meetings with brothers at several Branch facilities. We have met many SKE instructors at WEC-Florida and several AH Overseers in New York and Puerto Rico. They are all on lockdown due to Covid19 and they have described some of the procedures they have to go through to get food, mail and so on. 

 

One of the SKE instructors is currently assigned to the mailroom at WEC-FLORIDA and his job is to wipe down every piece of mail that enters the facility. 

 

One brother told us that a brother and his wife were walking outside and the brother picked up a piece of debris. He and his wife were asked to quarantine for 14 days.

 

If the organization is willing to take these precautions out of an overabundance of caution, then for me and my household, we will do the same.

[AH173]

3 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

One of the SKE instructors is currently assigned to the mailroom at WEC-FLORIDA and his job is to wipe down every piece of mail that enters the facility. 

 

Can you share if it's with lysol and sunlight dry? 

[Friends just call me Ross]

In my part of Michigan's Upper Peninsula, the pandemic has caused 

 

"Stay safe!" 

 

to replace the usual

 

"Have a nice day,!"

[dove]

2 hours ago, Mclove said:

I know hand sanitizers can adversely affect one's health but WHO some time ago issued these instructions on how to use it properly. 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/using-hand-sanitizer-wrong-mistakes_l_5f0cb639c5b6af83647d4c11 July 15

You May Be Using Hand Sanitizer All Wrong

 

The CDC says you should rub your hands together for about 20 seconds until they feel dry.

If you don’t wait for that, you can “essentially end up wiping it off on something, and then it’s not really doing its job,” Dr. Zeke J. McKinney, the primary occupational and environmental medicine provider at Minnesota’s HealthPartners Riverway Clinic said. The time that it’s sitting on your hands is when it’s working to inactivate certain bacteria and viruses, he added.

Dr. Oz demonstrated using this same procedure of how surgeons wash their hands before surgery..

[dove]

1 hour ago, humblebumblebee said:

BBC: Tuna's pandemic popularity has suppliers struggling

Getty ImagesCopyright: Getty Images

As Americans have stocked up on canned tuna amid the Covid-19 pandemic, producers are saying it's becoming difficult to keep up with the demand.

sorry No this is not where I got my username from : ) Didn't know this make existed

I have only ever used this one for many years but can't get it anymore from my local grocer..it's quite expensive and I am surprised that so many people still bought it so much as to make it hard to find..

[M.J.]

On 7/13/2020 at 6:00 PM, BenJepthah said:

What a lesson for people. Coddled , told that everything they could want or need will be provided for them. Security, income , housing, even food . And that each and every snowflake one of them is special and that their feelings are more important than anything else. This is the result an entitled population with no concern for anyone but themselves.

22 hours ago, Bob said:

If you're wearing a mask anywhere in public no matter the setting, you love people, but if you're not wearing one 24/7 or anytime you step out side, you don't care about people and want to infect grandma. 

 

The scientific reasons for wearing a mask are in the distant past. Its all about symbolism and signaling. This signaling is actively promulgated by media AND government, because the goal is to shame you

The above are all typical political talking points and phrases, with political leanings. They don't sound neutral. It makes me wonder how your conversations go when your preaching with someone...

Edited July 15, 2020 by M.J.

[runner92]

On 7/14/2020 at 1:49 AM, M.J. said:

It's these kind of comments that really make me wonder...

Your comments (especially in this post) are full of typical political talking points and phrases. 

Isn't it sad that I can infer your political leaning from the way you talk?

And I can also take a good guess at which news channels you favor...

☹️

I have had these same thoughts for a while, but I’ve been reluctant to express it. Sometimes the truth just needs to be plainly said. Thank you. 

Edited July 15, 2020 by runner92

[Bob]

9 minutes ago, M.J. said:

The above are all typical political talking points and phrases, with political leanings. They don't sound neutral. It makes me wonder how your conversations go when your preaching with someone...

I'd be careful here....

[runner92]

2 minutes ago, Bob said:

I'd be careful here....

Brother it’s an honest assessment that I think needs to be taken into consideration.

[Bob]

Just now, runner92 said:

Brother it’s an honest assessment that I think needs to be taken into consideration.

Just be careful. You don't want to be mischaracterizing or judging your brothers. 

[runner92]

5 minutes ago, Bob said:

Just be careful. You don't want to be mischaracterizing or judging your brothers. 

That’s not judging. That’s bringing something to your attention. There is a clear bias in quite a few threads. Is this something that’s just to be ignored? Would you say the same if someone brought up something about your dress and grooming looking a particular way? Or if you choice of entertainment is questionable? Would you consider them bringing that to your attention to be judging you? 

Edited July 15, 2020 by runner92

[Bob]

Just now, runner92 said:

That’s not judging. That’s bringing something to your attention. There is a clear bias in quite a few threads. Is this something that’s just to be ignored? 

We all have biases. You and I have different views about race in America, but does that mean you aren't neutral and are a political "leftist"? No, so lets just respect each other's viewpoints and celebrate the fact we are different and can learn from those differences. 

[runner92]

Just now, Bob said:We all have biases. You and I have different views about race in America, but does that mean you aren't neutral and are a political "leftist"? No, so lets just respect each other's viewpoints and celebrate the fact we are different and can learn from those differences. 

Excuse me, but injustices against black people and other people of color are not about politics. There are historical realities that can’t be ignored and to downplay them is against Christian principles as far as I’m concerned. This once again, brother, is more proof of what I’m saying. I hear this type of rhetoric coming from one group in particular, and the fact you stated it here is proof of what I’m saying. 

[Bob]

Just now, runner92 said:

Excuse me, but injustices against black people and other people of color are not about politics. There are historical realities that can’t be ignored and to downplay them is against Christian principles as far as I’m concerned. This once again, brother, is more proof of what I’m saying. I hear this type of rhetoric coming from one group in particular, and the fact you stated it here is proof of what I’m saying. 

Have a good day, sister. 

[runner92]

Just now, Bob said:

Have a good day, sister. 

Wow. 

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, M.J. said:

The above are all typical political talking points and phrases, with political leanings. They don't sound neutral. It makes me wonder how your conversations go when your preaching with someone...

Sister. I'm not going to say if you are right or wrong. I'm not going to agree or disagree. I just want to ask you to treat your brothers with love and respect. 

[Shawnster]

Please stop.  When we mention playing nice with each other, this is the type of situation we refer to.  

 

Let's return the conversation to the Coronavirus and leave the implied or overt character assessments where they belong.  If you feel a post is inappropriate, bring it to the attention of the moderators.  If you feel you need to make a personal comment to an individual, do so in a PM.  If you feel you're becoming defensive, remember to react in a spirit of mildness.  We're not here to fight.

 

 

[M.J.]

17 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

Sister. I'm not going to say if you are right or wrong. I'm not going to agree or disagree. I just want to ask you to treat your brothers with love and respect. 

 

1 hour ago, Bob said:

I'd be careful here....

"So, then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? .....I wish I could be present with you just now and speak in a different way, because I am perplexed over you." - Galatians 4:16-20

 

 

12 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Please stop.  When we mention playing nice with each other, this is the type of situation we refer to.  

 

Let's return the conversation to the Coronavirus and leave the implied or overt character assessments where they belong.  If you feel a post is inappropriate, bring it to the attention of the moderators.  If you feel you need to make a personal comment to an individual, do so in a PM.  If you feel you're becoming defensive, remember to react in a spirit of mildness.  We're not here to fight.

 

 

Just saw your post, point taken.

Edited July 15, 2020 by M.J.

[Tortuga]

5 minutes ago, M.J. said:

 

"So, then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? .....I wish I could be present with you just now and speak in a different way, because I am perplexed over you." - Galatians 4:16-20

“Let your utterance be always with graciousness.”—Colossians 4:6.

😁

Edited July 15, 2020 by Mephibosheth

[BenJepthah]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/covid-air-conditioning-could-facilitate-coronavirus-airborne-spread/5429919002/
     I’ve long thought that a major contributor to the surge in southern states this summer is due to people congregating in A/C environments.  Dine al fresco!  Enjoy the heat like our ancestors instead of being a couch surfer. Turn off the A/C ( where it isn’t 119* ) , go mountain biking, jogging, or walking when possible . Avoid the crowds.  But if you must be in the A/C , in a crowd , keep it brief and wear a mask. If you have the choice. 

[EccentricM]

I think what is happening is a lot of misunderstandings.

 

From what I see I think @Bob is just making observations about things that have become politicised in regards to these masks and things, though isn't supporting a political side. Because of his comments however about how lockdowns and masks are presenting more negatives to society regardless of the scientific health benefits, it may give off an impression that Bob does not want to support masks and lockdowns or is making more complaints about it as opposed to supporting it, and the root of that is being portrayed as being politically motivated, aka it may look as if Bob is paying more attention the politics of the world that have become attached to mask wearing and lockdowns, and letting that be more of an influencial sway to his opinions over what to think about masks and lockdowns over that of the simple health reasons.

 

And I think @M.J. is focusing on that part of how it comes across as.

 

However, Bob himself has stated that he does wear masks and realises there are health benefits, but feels it's all now become something beyond the health matters as far as the world is concerned, and so he is coming from that angle as guide on how to handle people in the world when these social matters arise, as opposed to him actually taking a political stance over it all.  But at the same time, is posting lots of articles of why "masks and lockdowns are bad", and has presented a lot of political based reasons for such,  whilst stating "there maybe health benefits, but, because politics".

 

Whether such handling of the lockdown situation based upon the observation of such political stances in the world, rather than just keeping it purely to health based decisions regardless of the politics, is or isn't a bit of leaning into a breaking of Christian neutrality on a social level is another matter altogether and our "point of view" can colour our opinions and judgments of that I think. So it's why we are all confused I think. There are contradicting statements that flow between "I support masks/lockdown because health, but I don't support masks/lockdown because political reasons".

 

The ultimate question to ask is; "regardless of the politics, is wearing a mask and locking down beneficial in aiding the containment and slowing of this pandemic?" And "should we even bother paying attention to the politics people attach to masks or let them influence our choices and actions?"

 

I myself haven't even paid attention to any virtue singnaling, "Karens" or poltical sides of all of this lockdown stuff, in fact I wasn't even "aware" of any political angle on it. I just wear a mask, promote wearing one for the sake of people's health, follow the advice of the GB and that's it. I let the world play with their dumb politics, because it's all burning down anyway.

 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by EccentricM

[dove]

6 minutes ago, EccentricM said:

 

 

The ultimate question to ask is; "regardless of the politics, is wearing a mask and locking down beneficial in aiding the containment and slowing of this pandemic?" And "should we even bother paying attention to the politics people attach to masks or let them influence our choices and actions?"

 

I just wear a mask, promote wearing one for the sake of people's health, follow the advice of the GB and that's it. 

 

 

That is the whole thing. It's simple not complicated. The GB doesn't even mention politics in their directions because it really has nothing to do with it..

[Bob]

12 minutes ago, EccentricM said:

The ultimate question to ask is; "regardless of the politics, is wearing a mask and locking down beneficial in aiding the containment and slowing of this pandemic?" 

This is the crux of my viewpoints. From a pure health standpoint, yes and no. Lockdowns in particular are not a solution in my view. Masks only work if you're wearing an effective mask (not a scarf, or a bandana, or a tshirt; neither of which are designed to block microscopic viral particles).

 

Brief view on lockdowns: They merely delay the spread. As soon as you let people out, they interact, and infect each other, reigniting an outbreak. Locking down sick people with the healthy, particularly where ventilation is poor or shared ventilation systems (like apartment buildings) exacerbates community spread. Locking down has indirect health issues, like obesity, depression, isolation, and obviously some lose their jobs and businesses so financial ruin is a serious threat to both physical and mental health. There are serious trade offs to this that cannot be ignored or downplayed. 

 

My view on Masks: Certain masks work well, others work poorly. Scarfs/bandanas/old towels or tshirts were not designed to block viral particles from being ejected. Medical masks probably are the best. But a big downside is that people tend to feel safe and take more risks. For example, literally Monday, I was walking down my sidewalk (unmasked because it was hot and I was by myself) and two ladies put on their mask to walk by me. Back in March, an unmasked couple almost walked into the street to avoid walking by me that close.

 

So I am all for balance.