The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[BenJepthah]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/23/houston-coronavirus-mutations/?arc404=true
      New mutation detected which enables the virus to overcome masks and hand washing. 

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“Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” Mt 22:21

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[Shawnster]

49 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/23/houston-coronavirus-mutations/?arc404=true
      New mutation detected which enables the virus to overcome masks and hand washing. 

From the article:

 

Morens noted that this is a single study, and “you don’t want to over-interpret what this means.” But the virus, he said, could potentially be responding — through random mutations — to such interventions as mask-wearing and social distancing, Morens said Wednesday.

 

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” said Morens, senior adviser to Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the NIAID.

[Bob]

54 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/23/houston-coronavirus-mutations/?arc404=true
      New mutation detected which enables the virus to overcome masks and hand washing. 

This was mentioned back in I believe June in an article. My view is that viruses mutate. The flu virus mutates as well. This is why we get a new flu shot each Fall. Should this be alarming? No - its a function of nature.

[runner92]

17 hours ago, Tbs77 said:

COVID-19 mutation may be evolving to bypass mask-wearing, hand-washing
By Jackie Salo

September 24, 2020 | 2:23pm

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/covid-19-mutation-may-be-evolving-to-bypass-masks-hand-washing/amp/

A new COVID-19 mutation appears to be even more contagious, according to a study — and experts say it could be a response by the virus to defeat masks and other social-distancing efforts.

Scientists in a paper published Wednesday identified a new strain of the virus, which accounted for 99.9 percent of cases during the second wave in the Houston, Texas, area, the Washington Post reported.

The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, said people with the strain, known as the D614G mutation, had higher loads of virus — suggesting it is more contagious.

Though the strain isn’t more deadly, researchers said it appeared to have adapted better to spread among humans.

David Morens, a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the findings suggest that the virus may become more contagious and that this “may have implications for our ability to control it.”

 

They’re gearing up for another shut down.

[Bob]

6 minutes ago, runner92 said:

 

They’re gearing up for another shut down.

This particular finding was published months ago. There won't be another lockdown. It hasn't even been "peer-reviewed" yet.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

Back in JULY this mutation was talked about:

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200702144054.htm

 

[hatcheckgirl]

Even still, the emergence of symptoms down the track is a reminder of why it's important to take precautions.

"This is just another reason you don't want to get this virus," Dr Short said.

"I think it's just another reason as to why we're taking all these measures ... because you just don't want to get this virus if you don't have to."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-09-26/coronavirus-covid-health-effects-can-linger/12705022
 

Bottom line, this is going to affect you long term even with mild or asymtomatic cases. It’s a serious disease, and medical experts have said repeatedly to do everything you can to avoid getting it.

 

Which is the crux and rationale for Bethels being in lockdown and the FDS giving us clear guidance on how to manage our lives during this time. If we can do what is within our means to avoid getting it, then we will benefit. Just do whatever it takes.
 

(In no way am I saying you’re to blame if you have COVID, btw, so please don’t attribute that to this post. Just quoting what medical scientists know about the virus).

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Even still, the emergence of symptoms down the track is a reminder of why it's important to take precautions.

"This is just another reason you don't want to get this virus," Dr Short said.

"I think it's just another reason as to why we're taking all these measures ... because you just don't want to get this virus if you don't have to."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-09-26/coronavirus-covid-health-effects-can-linger/12705022
 

Bottom line, this is going to affect you long term even with mild or asymtomatic cases. It’s a serious disease, and medical experts have said repeatedly to do everything you can to avoid getting it.

 

Which is the crux and rationale for Bethels being in lockdown and the FDS giving us clear guidance on how to manage our lives during this time. If we can do what is within our means to avoid getting it, then we will benefit. Just do whatever it takes.
 

(In no way am I saying you’re to blame if you have COVID, btw, so please don’t attribute that to this post. Just quoting what medical scientists know about the virus).

Sure. But I don't see where anyone is saying you shouldn't take precautions.

 

Accepting reality doesn't mean ignoring reality.

[hatcheckgirl]

Uhm, have you read the article? That is what I am referring to - long term effects. I just wanted to highlight what the doctors themselves have said - do all you can to avoid getting it, because this is a very nasty disease, and our bodies can react very badly to the effects, and there are knock-on effects.

[Bob]

16 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Uhm, have you read the article? That is what I am referring to - long term effects. I just wanted to highlight what the doctors themselves have said - do all you can to avoid getting it, because this is a very nasty disease, and our bodies can react very badly to the effects, and there are knock-on effects.

Oh I gotcha. But I can only speak for myself. My acceptance of the reality of mutations and the seriousness of covid merely dispels my fear of it. I don't fear it. I live with it (and that's NOT to say everyone else fears it).

 

 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Bob

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Sure. But I don't see where anyone is saying you shouldn't take precautions.

 

No, but your constant rhetoric that masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and curfews are pointless, stupid, or taking away our rights cone across as the same as saying we should not take precautions and we should ignore the safety instructions. 

 

Now, im sure your going to reply with I'm wrong and that you didn't say any of these things.  Regardless of what you assert, this is the impression you give.  You continue to argue the same points that anti makers argue.  You claim that you are just being academic or hypothetical in your arguments, but the end results are the same.  

 

In fact, you have made it clear that you are sharing your opinions.  So, to you, this is more than just an academic or intellectual exercise.  You have voiced long and loud the same opinions that right wing conservative anti makers have championed - our rights are being seized by an out of control government hell bent on ruling our lives.  

 

So, while you haven't come out and said we should not take necessary precautions, you have championed the opinions that these precautions are pointless. 

 

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

No, but your constant rhetoric that masks, lockdowns, social distancing, and curfews are pointless, stupid, or taking away our rights cone across as the same as saying we should not take precautions and we should ignore the safety instructions. 

 

Now, im sure your going to reply with I'm wrong and that you didn't say any of these things.  Regardless of what you assert, this is the impression you give.  You continue to argue the same points that anti makers argue.  You claim that you are just being academic or hypothetical in your arguments, but the end results are the same.  

 

In fact, you have made it clear that you are sharing your opinions.  So, to you, this is more than just an academic or intellectual exercise.  You have voiced long and loud the same opinions that right wing conservative anti makers have championed - our rights are being seized by an out of control government hell bent on ruling our lives.  

 

So, while you haven't come out and said we should not take necessary precautions, you have championed the opinions that these precautions are pointless. 

 

I am sadden that you appear to oppose any point of view that isn't in lockstep with your views. 

[Bob]

Its like you cannot be skeptical of the effectiveness of certain measures while following them at the same time. Its called taking a nuanced viewpoint, and being a critical thinker. I hope that isn't being rejected here. 

 

And then to suggest I am a "right wing anti-masker" is really out of line, Shawn. Probably need to dial back the emotion a little...

Edited September 26, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

This is just for anyone interested in where I am coming from:

 

Lockdowns: They work BEFORE you have "community spread" or an uncontrolled outbreak. Bethel locked down before they got a single case. It was a wise move. Otherwise, locking down after a pathogen has seeded amongst a population just delays the inevitable. Once you relax the lockdown, people begin interacting once more and a "second wave" commences and more lockdowns are mandated. 

 

Masks: All masks are not created equal. Some masks are totally ineffective (like scarfs and bandanas). Others are effective, like medical masks. Wear effective masks.

 

If this makes me a "right wing anti masker" then so be it. I'm comfortable in my own skin. 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Bob

[Lewis]

Regarding the community spread I saw a news report by a Toronto doctor(I believe Cheryl linked the video to it) mentioning about these cases that there is a fairly long period of time from one case to the next, its about 1 week to 10 days from the start of the first case to the start of the next case. The cases we see now are the results of cases from 3 or 4 weeks ago and whatever happens between 4 weeks ago and now, thats fixed for future cases to come. These cases will grow continually and exponentially. And what we do now will determine what happens 4 weeks from now. So wearing masks, keeping distance and wash your hands is minimal everyone should do.

 

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Edited September 26, 2020 by Shawnster

[Friends just call me Ross]

Florida doctors found a coronavirus cure that’s nearly 100% effective https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0X7EiNzZ?s=a4&pd=062wb5QM

 

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Researchers from Florida think they have found a coronavirus cure, saying their treatment protocols had a success rate of nearly 100%.

 

AdventHealth Ocala doctors treated their patients with a combination of four types of drugs under the acronym ICAM.

ICAM is a COVID-19 therapy designed to boost the immune system while preventing inflammation in the lungs.

 

A clinical trial is underway to prove the findings. If it’s found to be safe and effective, ICAM therapy might be used on COVID-19 patients without the need to hospitalize them.

Here's hoping there's some truth behind this headline. 👍

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

Florida doctors found a coronavirus cure that’s nearly 100% effective https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0X7EiNzZ?s=a4&pd=062wb5QM

 

Here's hoping there's some truth behind this headline. 👍

For those who do not have newsbreak 

 

https://www.fox6now.com/news/covid-19-treatment-underway-in-florida-has-near-perfect-success-rate

[Qapla]

This was on our local news (Ocala is local) and they stressed that it is a "treatment" not a "preventative/vaccine".

 

They needed to try something as Ocala has the highest C-19 rate in the area ...

[Friends just call me Ross]

2 minutes ago, Qapla said:

This was on our local news (Ocala is local) and they stressed that it is a "treatment" not a "preventative/vaccine".

 

They needed to try something as Ocala has the highest C-19 rate in the area ...

Interesting that the article mentioned it might be administered without having to be hospitalized.

Outpatient treatment would be very desirable during a pandemic. 

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

Florida doctors found a coronavirus cure that’s nearly 100% effective https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0X7EiNzZ?s=a4&pd=062wb5QM

 

Here's hoping there's some truth behind this headline. 👍

Me too. I hope there is truth to this, but I guess we will see in due time.

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33 Million marker (reported)
1 Million deaths - probably by the time you read this...

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Edited September 26, 2020 by Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz said:

33 Million marker (reported)
1 Million deaths - probably by the time you read this...

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The total amount of new cases aren't really that big of a concern, but I do want LESS cases. However, hospitalization rates are what's important. Those are DOWN nationwide. 

 

And that's a good thing, if they stay down. It points to the severity of illness being lower and lower. 

[Lee49]

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/09/grocers-accumulate-and-build-pandemic-pallets-before-winter.html

 

Grocers accumulate and build “pandemic pallets” before winter

 

Grocery stores and food companies are bracing for a possible increase in sales amid a further rise in Covid-19 cases and the looming holiday rush.

Supermarkets are stocking up on groceries and stocking them early to prepare for the fall and winter months, when some health experts warn the country could see another widespread outbreak of virus cases and new restrictions. Food companies are ramping up production of their most popular items, and industry leaders say they won’t be caught off guard in the face of a new wave of the pandemic.

 

Let the hoarding begin! 😣